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Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
It is going to be interesting to see what happens with Slava going forward. I didn't even hear him rumored to be signing with anyone
Even when I googled Slava Voynov rumors, I could only find details about him signing with the KHL team last summer
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Master Yoda
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The main point was the second part of my sentence about demanding he be fired for something he did 4 years ago when he's already gone through the legal process and served his time.
And I don't mean individually wanting to boycott, not watch games, not buy merchandise etc, but it's the "you're an a-hole if you don't boycott with me" attitude many "journalists" these days display on their opinion articles.
bland
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For one, it would be helpful if everybody remembers that Twitter is a very, very very small portion of the public. Its only value is what we attach to it, leave it alone and it becomes a parody of itself. I don't have a twitter account because I know its harmful garbage.
But its still a hollow, fools argument. Remove social media from the discussion and you still have an utterly vile series of actions that one party performed on another with diminished capacity. If you don't understand why that caused an uproar, I don't know what to tell you.
Social media was a conduit here, not a reason.
kilowatt
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Yeah, I don’t understand the argument here. How is discussing this incident on this forum any different than on Twitter? I don’t even have Twitter, but is the argument that there’s a group of people on Twitter that some are offended or upset by, and therefore should be ignored? Okay, done. I don’t listen to anyone on Twitter. I still think Miller did something terrible. I read the articles, I read the police report, I formed an opinion.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
Looks like UND has removed the problem freshman from the team. This saga is a lesson to parents. Enable your child’s poor behavior and suffer consequences later in life.
Any kid who is in front of a juvie court for bullying needs their parents to take away privileges in order to enforce punishment. It’s pathetic what society puts up with when an anti social loser happens to be a gifted child athlete.
Any kid who is in front of a juvie court for bullying needs their parents to take away privileges in order to enforce punishment. It’s pathetic what society puts up with when an anti social loser happens to be a gifted child athlete.
Master Yoda
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I don't have a twitter account either, and it's true that Twitter is a very small portion. But the problem is it doesn't matter what you or I think about twitter. Our society has attached a huge value to it. And that's somewhat understandable because Twitter has millions of users from all over the world, many of whom have tens of thousands of people reading everything they write.
If a person with a check mark re-tweets something, then that story/discussion is all over the internet and even being used as a source of news articles.
It can most definitely have a huge influence on public opinion, much larger than what our discussions on HFboards can have.
But I'm not even necessarily talking just about Twitter or HFboards anyways.
Just opining on the of the overall state and power of the social media and cancel culture.
And I think you're misconstruing what I've said. Nobody here has said what he did wasn't horrible and disgusting.
We can certainly be angry that this took place over the course of several years and has seemingly not been punished enough, with his parent nowhere to be found.
So I can understand why it's causing an uproar.
I just don't see the need to punish the kid further when this guy was already punished for his actions and he's already served his time through the legal system.
Why do we, as a group, demand that he suffer more instead of wanting him do make himself better?
Each of us, as individuals, can be angry and want him to not be in the NHL or on my NHL team, but we, as a society should give him a chance to redeem himself.
I've probably said too much on this topic and I'm kind of repeating myself now, so I'll refrain from commenting further.
Anguyen92
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Apparently, from what I heard on the most recent episode of the Steve Dangle Podcast about this matter, apparently there was a second guy involved in this incident and that the parents and the victim forgave that guy.
Now if Mitch Miller's mindset has gone from "I'm sorry to the league that I got caught for this incident" to "I'm really sorry that I f'ed up this person's life for years and I know he and his family is not going to forgive me any time soon, but I'm willing to throw the olive branch and better my life and set a better example," I can see an argument where second chances are warranted. Is this person in that position yet though?
Now if Mitch Miller's mindset has gone from "I'm sorry to the league that I got caught for this incident" to "I'm really sorry that I f'ed up this person's life for years and I know he and his family is not going to forgive me any time soon, but I'm willing to throw the olive branch and better my life and set a better example," I can see an argument where second chances are warranted. Is this person in that position yet though?
tny760
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that's how i feel about this entire conversation
it's just back and forth, same exact comments from everyone
deeshamrock
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Bettman update, the NHL is considering short-term hubs, temporary realignment and a reduced schedule as options for the 2020-21 season
NHL exploring temporary realignment, short-term hubs for 2020-21
"You'll play for 10 to 12 days," Commissioner Bettman said in a virtual panel discussion during the 2020 Paley International Council Summit.
"You'll play a bunch of games without traveling. You'll go back, go home for a week, be with your family. We'll have our testing protocols and all the other things you need.
"It's not going to be quite as effective as a bubble, but we think we can, if we go this route, minimize the risks to the extent practical and sensible. And so that's one of the things that we're talking about."
Reduced schedule and dealing with traveling to Canada are issues that are in the mix
"It may be that we're better off, particularly if we're playing a reduced schedule, which we're contemplating, keeping it geographically centric, more divisional based, and realigning, again on a temporary basis, to deal with the travel issues."
NHL exploring temporary realignment, short-term hubs for 2020-21
"You'll play for 10 to 12 days," Commissioner Bettman said in a virtual panel discussion during the 2020 Paley International Council Summit.
"You'll play a bunch of games without traveling. You'll go back, go home for a week, be with your family. We'll have our testing protocols and all the other things you need.
"It's not going to be quite as effective as a bubble, but we think we can, if we go this route, minimize the risks to the extent practical and sensible. And so that's one of the things that we're talking about."
Reduced schedule and dealing with traveling to Canada are issues that are in the mix
"It may be that we're better off, particularly if we're playing a reduced schedule, which we're contemplating, keeping it geographically centric, more divisional based, and realigning, again on a temporary basis, to deal with the travel issues."
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Paging @Herby
Got this from a prospect thread but this is a potential Michigan lineup this year and it's hard to not be impressed:
Brisson-Johnson-Samoskevich
Bordeleau-Beecher-Duke
A. Fantili-Beniers-Ciccolini
Groll-Lambert-Williams
Power-York
Truscott-Hughes
Edwards-Blankenburg
L. Fantili
Portillo
hopefully Future King Owen Power
Edit: derp, they already started, and kent johnson is just ripping shit apart
Got this from a prospect thread but this is a potential Michigan lineup this year and it's hard to not be impressed:
Brisson-Johnson-Samoskevich
Bordeleau-Beecher-Duke
A. Fantili-Beniers-Ciccolini
Groll-Lambert-Williams
Power-York
Truscott-Hughes
Edwards-Blankenburg
L. Fantili
Portillo
hopefully Future King Owen Power
Edit: derp, they already started, and kent johnson is just ripping shit apart
Tampa laid off 30 employees which is less than 10% of their staff. I think more layoffs around the league will trickle in.
Paging @Herby
Got this from a prospect thread but this is a potential Michigan lineup this year and it's hard to not be impressed:
Brisson-Johnson-Samoskevich
Bordeleau-Beecher-Duke
A. Fantili-Beniers-Ciccolini
Groll-Lambert-Williams
Power-York
Truscott-Hughes
Edwards-Blankenburg
L. Fantili
Portillo
hopefully Future King Owen Power
Edit: derp, they already started, and kent johnson is just ripping shit apart
I've been a Walmart Wolverine since the mid-90s when Brendan Morrison was there. Michigan looked great (and Arizona State looked outclassed) this weekend. Strauss Mann started both games this weekend, so we'll see if Portillo gets a ton of starts as a freshman.
Gotta imagine somebody's trying to come up with some Fab Five marketing stuff for their freshman class this year.
Chris Webber : Owen Power
Juwan Howard : Kent Johnson
Jalen Rose : Matt Beniers
Jimmy King : Brendan Brisson
Ray Jackson : Jacob Truscott
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Paging @Herby
Got this from a prospect thread but this is a potential Michigan lineup this year and it's hard to not be impressed:
Brisson-Johnson-Samoskevich
Bordeleau-Beecher-Duke
A. Fantili-Beniers-Ciccolini
Groll-Lambert-Williams
Power-York
Truscott-Hughes
Edwards-Blankenburg
L. Fantili
Portillo
hopefully Future King Owen Power
Edit: derp, they already started, and kent johnson is just ripping shit apart
Yeah this is a once in a lifetime type freshman class, I've been following college hockey pretty religiously since 2001 and I can't think of one quite like this. It doesn't even include Luke Hughes, who is a likely top 10 pick as well but couldn't get cleared in time with his September birthday. They will be @ Wisconsin this week (who just swept Notre Dame), but unfortunately no fans in attendance.
Will be interesting to see what happens when they play veteran laden teams, sometimes even the really talented freshman struggle against bigger and stronger players. But if you guys get a chance to watch you should, very rarely will you see an actual real game featuring three potential top 10 picks.
deeshamrock
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NHL seeking additional deferment on player salaries, raise on escrow caps
During a conference call yesterday between the NHL and NHLPA, two items of note
The first, as reported Tuesday night, was to ask for an additional deferment on 2020-21 salaries (players have already agreed to 10 per cent).
The second was to consider raising the “escrow caps” in the final three seasons of the newly negotiated deal.
The idea was not received with great enthusiasm, to put it mildly. Several players indicated via text that this is a “non-starter," and they don’t want to consider it. They are under the impression the league is looking for an additional $300 million in savings.
Deferral problem:
During a conference call yesterday between the NHL and NHLPA, two items of note
The first, as reported Tuesday night, was to ask for an additional deferment on 2020-21 salaries (players have already agreed to 10 per cent).
The second was to consider raising the “escrow caps” in the final three seasons of the newly negotiated deal.
The idea was not received with great enthusiasm, to put it mildly. Several players indicated via text that this is a “non-starter," and they don’t want to consider it. They are under the impression the league is looking for an additional $300 million in savings.
Deferral problem:
Ha Ha Ha!
The owners finally figured out the CBA extension they signed is gonna be terrible for their balance sheet.
Hey! Rich Old Guys! Let me solve this for you!
Don’t spend to the cap ceiling every single off-season! Fire the GMs that do!
KINGS17
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Spending to the cap, with a little room for trade deadline deals, is essential for contending teams.
These are extraordinary times, and the players are going to have to understand they need to take a reduction in their pay. They can take the salary reduction, or the owners can fold some franchises and lay off players.
If I’m paying a GM millions per year, I expect them to be competent enough to handle extraordinary.
All that was required was a little bit of discipline and critical thinking. Both should be basic requirements for that job.
Anyway, I find it hilarious.
31 owners signed off on what was even at the time a bad deal. The arithmetic didn’t add up then and it just got worse now.
Funny stuff.
KINGS17
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Extraordinary in the form of zero revenue from in-game attendance? I think that is an unrealistic expectation.
I agree the owner's likely jumped the gun on extending the CBA to get the players to agree to play the playoff games. It's a mess now.
I am not expecting the owners to dig into their own pockets to cover player salaries if the hockey related revenue doesn't cover those salaries. They aren't running a charity for the players.
Yeah, owners signed that CBA too early.
Just sheer luck for the kings that the rebuild happened just before the pandemic hit. Kings had traded away players and thus their expensive contracts in the nick of time.
Just sheer luck for the kings that the rebuild happened just before the pandemic hit. Kings had traded away players and thus their expensive contracts in the nick of time.
And that’s the rub of the CBA they signed. Owners be f***ed!
They agreed to a 20% escrow. If that doesn’t get them to the 50/50 split, tough shit. That signed the contract. That sword cuts both ways it seems.
Not sure if there is any kings info there so I will put it here.
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