Around the League 45: The Stanley Cup is in God's Waiting Room

[Chrispy]

what is hip anyway?

We are talking about hockey on a message board.

You think any of us know!?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Oilers or Montreal, who may have the worst the defensive (forwards 2 way play included) and goalie group?

outside of SJ and possibly Chicago, anyone else contending for 3 with those two?

 

[chaz4hockey]

Seattle signs Berniers to 7 year/$50M contract. $7.14M per.

 

[tomdundo]

We are talking about hockey on a message board.

You think any of us know!?

We tragically don't know about being hip

 

[WreckingCrew]

So STL just gave Edmonton a 2028 3rd & Paul Fischer for "future considerations"...guess this is payment that was promised to get EDM to not match either of the offer sheets?

 

[Derailed75]

We tragically don't know about being hip

So I just want to mention that this thread went exactly how expected after the waiver post.

 

[sabremike]

I'm thinking that now that team doesn't have to plan for a Laine arrival, Jarvis deal will be finalized soon.

I also think the World is flat so there's that.

I know for a fact the world isn't flat because if it was cats would've knocked everything off it.

 

[Lempo]

I have it on authoritative sources that the world is a vampire.

 

[Lempo]

Holy f***, if this is true, no wonder that Cbus locker room was messed up:

Portzline said that veteran players had a meeting a few years ago. He says, "I also think back to a meeting with the veteran players, I think it was maybe after the 19-20 season (believe it was 20-21 he meant), and if my recollection is right it was Cam, it was Seth Jones, it was Werenski, it was Foligno for sure, maybe Gus Nyquist. What do we need to do here to make this thing work? You guys know what a good room is like, you've seen it. And the players, they have a hard time doing this sometimes, and you understand why, basically came back with "You gotta get Laine and Merzlikins out of here." That's steps one and two. The organization heard that and said, "You know what let's get rid of the people who said that," not the people that they mentioned. And look who all's gone."

He goes on to say, "That's one of those things, in the near term you go ouch, you ask those guys to bare their soul, and they do, and that's how you respond by moving them out, rather than taking the suggestions they made. But think of the chill it sends throughout the room, as don't ever share your honest opinion here. Because that's how it's going to be handled, not straight up "Thanks for your input, we'll respect your privacy here."

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/columbus-blue-jackets/latest-news/were-players-who-spoke-out-against-patrik-laine-and-elvis-merz%C4%BCikins-traded-to-protect-them

Laine (and Roslovic) was traded to Cbus for PLD (and a 3rd) in January 2021.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I have it on authoritative sources that the world is a vampire.

I hope they were sent to drain, secret destroyers, and hold you up to the flame.

 

[sabremike]

I have it on authoritative sources that the world is a vampire.

I was actually at the infamous Smashing Pumpkins 30th anniversary at PNC Arts Center in NJ where a totally drugged out of her mind Courtney Love (among other things) pantomimed performing oral sex on a horrified Billy Corrigan.

 

[HisIceness]

The thread about Yzerman not being a good GM is a good read

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

The thread about Yzerman not being a good GM is a good read

I recommend reading this thread as a chaser:

Yzerman is back!

Detroit just fleeced Carolina and it only took a 3rd (Detroit traded for Nedeljkovic). Is Tom Dundon really this cheap? What is the reasoning behind giving up on your calder candidate this early? Did Ned want out? I'd really like the Carolina faithful to make sense out of this trade for non...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[SlavinAway]

The thread about Yzerman not being a good GM is a good read

What's the consensus? Honestly I can see arguments on both sides though I have a buddy who is a DET fan and he loves Yzerman.

 

[HisIceness]

I recommend reading this thread as a chaser:

Yzerman is back!

Detroit just fleeced Carolina and it only took a 3rd (Detroit traded for Nedeljkovic). Is Tom Dundon really this cheap? What is the reasoning behind giving up on your calder candidate this early? Did Ned want out? I'd really like the Carolina faithful to make sense out of this trade for non...

forums.hfboards.com

"He may have just found Vasy 2.0!"

At least a few posters saw that Ned wasn't great in that Lightning series and probably wasn't going to get much better.

What's the consensus? Honestly I can see arguments on both sides though I have a buddy who is a DET fan and he loves Yzerman.

Detroit fans defending him because of the crap he was left to clean. Others saying it's been long enough and it's time for playoffs.

And then some Leafs talk

 

[SlavinAway]

And then some Leafs talk

So the main board usual ha

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

What's the consensus? Honestly I can see arguments on both sides though I have a buddy who is a DET fan and he loves Yzerman.

in TB he set them up for great success and JBB has messed up post 2022 up.

Idk if the detroit owners are pressuring to make things happen quicker but Yzer's UFA moves especially have been pretty bad.

 

[Slow Eddie]

Ten years ago today, Jean Sebastien Giguere formally announced his retirement from the NHL. He was the last active player to have played for the Hartford Whalers.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think I'd give Yzerman a C- at best for his work in Detroit. He did come into a pretty barren situation. He's had some really nice draft hits considering their lack of lottery luck but some whiffs here and there as well. The team has been on a path of steady improvement in the standings over the past several years, which is nice. But the collapse last year (while largely sitting on his hands at the deadline if I recall), along with much of the improvement being from his mediocre acquisitions raising the floor of his team and less from a bunch of young guys taking over kinda puts a sour taste on that in my opinion.

I'd say I currently don't get the warm and fuzzies about that team going into this season either. I think the bottom of the playoff race could tighten up and I don't know that I see a lot to separate them into a team that actually claims a spot this time. I think they tried to speed up the rebuild a bit too much with the acquisitions of the past few seasons and probably needed to suck harder for longer, but I suspect that isn't all on Yzerman. But I'd imagine the many meh acquisitions are.

 

[Stickpucker]

What do we call what Meruelo did? Bought the Coyotes for $300M? in 2019, made it the laughing stock of the league and sold it for $1B

Pimp mah franchise

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

GMs really should be evaluated only after being observed in a variety of situations over time. Now, we’re seeing what happens when you don’t inherent Stamkos and Hedman, and don’t pull Kucherov and Point outside of the 1st round.

Positive reputations are usually temporary. Ken Holland was a savant 15 years ago and now he’s largely ridiculed. HHOFer Lamoriello is a punchline to jokes nowadays. Believe it or not, but Chiarelli was highly thought of at one point in time.

 

[Stickpucker]

I hope they were sent to drain, secret destroyers, and hold you up to the flame.

Despite all my rage I'm still just a stickpucker in a cage.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

GMs really should be evaluated only after being observed in a variety of situations over time. Now, we’re seeing what happens when you don’t inherent Stamkos and Hedman, and don’t pull Kucherov and Point outside of the 1st round.

Positive reputations are usually temporary. Ken Holland was a savant 15 years ago and now he’s largely ridiculed. HHOFer Lamoriello is a punchline to jokes nowadays. Believe it or not, but Chiarelli was highly thought of at one point in time.

One of the bigger issues for evaluating Yzerman is that Detroit's rebuild is rather incomplete. A lot of their (IMO overly) panned UFA signings are stopgap veterans specifically signed in order for their youngsters to develop carefully in the minors. Most of their draft picks in the Yzerman era haven't matriculated to the NHL yet.

 

[DaveG]

in TB he set them up for great success and JBB has messed up post 2022 up.

Idk if the detroit owners are pressuring to make things happen quicker but Yzer's UFA moves especially have been pretty bad.

I think it's been more the term than the AAV on the UFA moves in Detroit to be honest. Signing someone like Chiarot to add a veteran presence to the blueline of a rebuilding team is "eh, whatever" even if he's being paid twice as much as he should be. Paying him that FOR FOUR SEASONS instead of one or two is where the real issue is. Same with the Copp contract, not a bad player, but you don't give a guy like that that money for 5 frigin years.

He hasn't been gifted gamebreakers with their early picks the way Tampa was from before he was with the Wings either. There's no Hedman or Stamkos already in the system, and Montreal's not gifting them a top pair caliber defenseman for one of his more disappointing draft picks.

On another note, look at his first round drafting in Tampa outside of Vasi... frigin YIKES.

 

[HisIceness]

I think it's been more the term than the AAV on the UFA moves in Detroit to be honest. Signing someone like Chiarot to add a veteran presence to the blueline of a rebuilding team is "eh, whatever" even if he's being paid twice as much as he should be. Paying him that FOR FOUR SEASONS instead of one or two is where the real issue is. Same with the Copp contract, not a bad player, but you don't give a guy like that that money for 5 frigin years.

He hasn't been gifted gamebreakers with their early picks the way Tampa was from before he was with the Wings either. There's no Hedman or Stamkos already in the system, and Montreal's not gifting them a top pair caliber defenseman for one of his more disappointing draft picks.

On another note, look at his first round drafting in Tampa outside of Vasi... frigin YIKES.

My guess without looking it up is Namestikov is probably the best pick, who was used as a trade chip to get Miller/McDonaugh but Namestikov is still in the league.

Drouin and Connolly were both strike-outs.

GMs really should be evaluated only after being observed in a variety of situations over time. Now, we’re seeing what happens when you don’t inherent Stamkos and Hedman, and don’t pull Kucherov and Point outside of the 1st round.

Positive reputations are usually temporary. Ken Holland was a savant 15 years ago and now he’s largely ridiculed. HHOFer Lamoriello is a punchline to jokes nowadays. Believe it or not, but Chiarelli was highly thought of at one point in time.

Yeah I remember Chia being regarded as a genuis after that Kessel trade. Then we saw his drafts weren't very good and he got robbed by Dallas for Seguin.