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[Chrispy]

Many companies don’t allow confidential information to be sent to personal email accounts for security reasons. These companies often make a blanket rule not allowing use of personal e-mail. Tech companies, some banks, and healthcare (sensitive personal information), defense and gov’t are orgs I’ve come across in the past that don’t allow use of personal email for business use. Imagine a tech company, for instance, having employees sharing information on gmail.

It’s probably because you’ve had hourly jobs. Many salaried jobs have an expectation of off-hour work. They also often come with flexibility and comp hours to not make it overly burdensome.

All of this. I'm in non IT tech and personal email is still forbidden (like Gmail and yahoo are blocked on my laptop forbidden.)

Also, it's a multinational company. So a 7pm email could be from India, and I will wake up to emails from Europe. Not urgent, but it is sometimes nice to be mentally prepared for what's coming during my business hours.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And why are you emailing me off the clock? If it’s so important you need me to see it right away I should probably be on the clock or you should have someone else covering that time of day.

I can't speak to Dave's job specifically, but in many (most?) IT/Hardware support jobs, it's not practical to have 24/7 support at the highest level of expertise. Pretty much every company I've dealt with has different level's of support ( level 1, 2, 3 or something similar) where the level 1 (for example) is the highest expertise (and payed the most and usually salaried). Many times, at night there is just level 3 support that can handle most issues, but sometimes they need to consult with level 2 or 1 support, thus the need to call them in.

If you ask the high expertise guys to work 3rd shift, a lot of them will say no and get a different job, so it's not always feasible to have the same expertise 24/7. A call-in once in a while is easy enough to deal with. Having that level of expertise on off-shifts isn't palatable to many of them.

The last 10 or so years of my job was hardware development and development customer support world wide. It was a salaried job and I was paid well, but there were times I had to work over holidays, scheduled vacation, nights, weekends, etc.. if a big problem came up. I didn't get paid more for those hours, as I was on salary, but my management always made up for it with comp time and were always flexible with my schedule.

If it got to be too much, I would have just gone out and changed jobs, but it worked for me.

 

[Stickpucker]

You don’t know what “family photos” of his own were on screen….

You've heard or Wonderwall?

Let me introduce you to the weiner wall.

Together we stand tall.

 

[Stickpucker]

Many companies don’t allow confidential information to be sent to personal email accounts for security reasons. These companies often make a blanket rule not allowing use of personal e-mail. Tech companies, some banks, and healthcare (sensitive personal information), defense and gov’t are orgs I’ve come across in the past that don’t allow use of personal email for business use. Imagine a tech company, for instance, having employees sharing information on gmail.

It’s probably because you’ve had hourly jobs. Many salaried jobs have an expectation of off-hour work. They also often come with flexibility and comp hours to not make it overly burdensome.

Comp time is a dirty lie.

My last employer I racked up months of comp time. The first time I tried to take a half day....half mind you on the chillest day and take my kids to the pool my phone was ringing off the hook about stupid stuff that could wait.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Comp time is a dirty lie.

My last employer I racked up months of comp time. The first time I tried to take a half day....half mind you on the chillest day and take my kids to the pool my phone was ringing off the hook about stupid stuff that could wait.

I've found it depends a lot on your management/boss. The last 10 years of my career I worked for the same guy. I never had an issue with comp time, personal time, flexible schedules etc...with him. Not once.

The prior boss I worked for (only for 1.5 years), not so much, but I was able to make it work. Just took a little more prep on my end to make sure coverage was there before I took the time off.

 

[Stickpucker]

I've found it depends a lot on your management/boss. The last 10 years of my career I worked for the same guy. I never had an issue with comp time, personal time, flexible schedules etc...with him. Not once.

The prior boss I worked for (only for 1.5 years), not so much, but I was able to make it work. Just took a little more prep on my end to make sure coverage was there before I took the time off.

Sounds like you were lucky and had a good boss.

The corps I've worked for it's rare to have the same boss past one review (which makes it hard to build rapport) due to so much restructuring. There are a lot of HR rules about managers/managing directors etc requiring x number of reports to get their promotions. Couple that with managers realizing that to be visible and climb the ladder they need to work on the "new hotness" to get a promotion and you see constant restructuring. Most of these managers hopping around constantly don't care very much about their relationship with their employees or their work life balance, in my experience.

In my case it wasn't about planning or coverage it was more about the culture and boundaries.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Sounds like you were lucky and had a good boss.

Partially luck, partially intentional. Lucky in that 10 years prior, I was lucky that he became my boss when I barely knew him at the time. Not lucky in that I purposely took on a lot of assignments that the rest of the his development team didn't care for (Field problems, dealing with suppliers, dealing with customers, dealing with design/quality issues, etc...). It let him, and the rest of the development team, focus on new products. So every time he changed jobs and got promoted, he took me along with him to the new area to do the same sort of job. I had other offers to stay in / go to other jobs (inside and outside the company) where I was offered more pay and promotions, but I liked the setup I had and knew I was closing in on retirement in the not too distant future so decided to stick with him. No regrets.

I was also lucky in that he was the type of boss that gave me a lot of autonomy.

The corps I've worked for it's rare to have the same boss past one review (which makes it hard to build rapport) due to so much restructuring. There are a lot of HR rules about managers/managing directors etc requiring x number of reports to get their promotions. Couple that with managers realizing that to be visible and climb the ladder they need to work on the "new hotness" to get a promotion and you see constant restructuring. Most of these managers hopping around constantly don't care very much about their relationship with their employees or their work life balance, in my experience.

Yeah, I can see that. 1st half of my career it was that way where I had a lot of different bosses. I don't recall having problems with PTO/comp days though other than with one boss when I was only a couple years in. Maybe a cultural thing.

In my case it wasn't about planning or coverage it was more about the culture and boundaries.

gotcha.

 

[DaveG]

…Does your company realize that emails aren’t in any way attached to phones and they could email you through the current phone you have, likely without having to install any additional apps?

Also, maybe it’s just because I’ve worked hourly jobs for most of my life, but “off the clock” should mean just that. If I’m getting phone calls, answering emails or having Zoom meetings outside of my scheduled hours, you better believe I’m getting paid for that time.

I work in a combination of tech/healthcare so I get the PHI concerns on it. That said, the application is the most intrusive that I've ever seen having had access to the admin console for it for another client that I've worked for: among other things I could tell someone just how much of a charge their phone has or pull up a list of what sites they've visited at what times and from where on the phone just by pulling up the phones profile in the admin console. So yeah, not installing something like that on any of my devices, they can buy me a phone and pay for the line if they need me to use it that much. Google/Zuck/Bezos/the NSA already track way too much about me to begin with anyway, don't need my own company joining in on it. I prettymuch always connect anything I own that I can to a VPN at this point.

Then again the guys at work on Tier 1 jokingly call me Dale Gribble sometimes, and I... don't discourage it. At all.

I can't speak to Dave's job specifically, but in many (most?) IT/Hardware support jobs, it's not practical to have 24/7 support at the highest level of expertise. Pretty much every company I've dealt with has different level's of support ( level 1, 2, 3 or something similar) where the level 1 (for example) is the highest expertise (and payed the most and usually salaried). Many times, at night there is just level 3 support that can handle most issues, but sometimes they need to consult with level 2 or 1 support, thus the need to call them in.

If you ask the high expertise guys to work 3rd shift, a lot of them will say no and get a different job, so it's not always feasible to have the same expertise 24/7. A call-in once in a while is easy enough to deal with. Having that level of expertise on off-shifts isn't palatable to many of them.

The last 10 or so years of my job was hardware development and development customer support world wide. It was a salaried job and I was paid well, but there were times I had to work over holidays, scheduled vacation, nights, weekends, etc.. if a big problem came up. I didn't get paid more for those hours, as I was on salary, but my management always made up for it with comp time and were always flexible with my schedule.

If it got to be too much, I would have just gone out and changed jobs, but it worked for me.

I mean, this is basically what it is for me. I'm the senior level 2 support (only people above me for the EMR application are the actual devs at the hospital) so there's times I'll be on the VDI looking at something at 2AM if needed.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Vancouver saves 1.45 million in space by flipping Pearson and a 3rd for DeSmith

 

[DaveG]

Vancouver saves 1.45 million in space by flipping Pearson and a 3rd for DeSmith

IIRC they're still close to 2M over, though if Poolman is LTIR they can make it work

 

[NotOpie]

It’s probably because you’ve had hourly jobs. Many salaried jobs have an expectation of off-hour work. They also often come with flexibility and comp hours to not make it overly burdensome.

I am also a salaried guy and our home office is in London. We have offices all over the world. I wake up to many, many emails that came in during the night. We also have 6:00, 7:00, and 8:00 AM meetings regularly, but that's what I signed up for.

That said, in my experience, as a salaried employee, it's almost project-based work. That means that I'm mostly available at almost all times.

What is funny, is that Europeans get 4 to 6 weeks of vacation at a minimum....and they take it at the busiest time of year for the work I do here in the US. So while I'm up taking their calls or staying up late solving problems, their sitting on a Greek island somewhere totally off the grid for 2 weeks.....and I don't blame them, but the contrast in notable.

 

[Stickpucker]

I am also a salaried guy and our home office is in London. We have offices all over the world. I wake up to many, many emails that came in during the night. We also have 6:00, 7:00, and 8:00 AM meetings regularly, but that's what I signed up for.

That said, in my experience, as a salaried employee, it's almost project-based work. That means that I'm mostly available at almost all times.

What is funny, is that Europeans get 4 to 6 weeks of vacation at a minimum....and they take it at the busiest time of year for the work I do here in the US. So while I'm up taking their calls or staying up late solving problems, their sitting on a Greek island somewhere totally off the grid for 2 weeks.....and I don't blame them, but the contrast in notable.

smh should've been born European.

 

[baconandbread]

From class to ass
Bruins name Marchand 27th captain in franchise history https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2718820

 

[Francis10]

Stamkos not happy with TB management right now. Totally hypothetical, but I wonder what it would cost to get Stamkos at the deadline?

 

[SlavinAway]

Stamkos not happy with TB management right now. Totally hypothetical, but I wonder what it would cost to get Stamkos at the deadline?

What's the story on why he's not happy?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

What's the story on why he's not happy?

Sounds like he expected management to reach out to his side about a contract extension sometime this off-season and that never happened.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Stamkos not happy with TB management right now. Totally hypothetical, but I wonder what it would cost to get Stamkos at the deadline?

Don’t think Tampa will be in a position to be selling at the deadline. They’re certainly not going to trade him and hurt their postseason chances just to avoid having him leave in the summer.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Don’t think Tampa will be in a position to be selling at the deadline. They’re certainly not going to trade him and hurt their postseason chances just to avoid having him leave in the summer.

Part of me wonders if Tampa thinks that they have a shot at Nylander in UFA. He would considerably extend Tampa's window if they can successfully sign him in place of Stamkos.

 

[mikeyfan]

Could/should the Canes make A serious inquiry about this?

https://x.com/NHLTradeRumors/status/1704852594022350986?s=20

If so what should the offer be?

 

[MinJaBen]

Could/should the Canes make A serious inquiry about this?

https://x.com/NHLTradeRumors/status/1704852594022350986?s=20

If so what should the offer be?

Has that site ever been right? Assuming it was correct, I don't think he is the type of player that would move the needle here given what we would have to ship out to make it happen. Fun to watch for sure.

 

[mikeyfan]

Has that site ever been right? Assuming it was correct, I don't think he is the type of player that would move the needle here given what we would have to ship out to make it happen. Fun to watch for sure.

I debated because of the site as if I should post it, but I figured if it was out there it might be something of interest to explore

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Could/should the Canes make A serious inquiry about this?

https://x.com/NHLTradeRumors/status/1704852594022350986?s=20

If so what should the offer be?

I think just put out that ducks and Zegras agreed to a 3 year length, they are just working on AAV.

 

[cptjeff]

I think just put out that ducks and Zegras agreed to a 3 year length, they are just working on AAV.

Given the cap room the Ducks have to maneuver, I find it impossible to believe that they won't get him signed. He's a big part of their future, they'll overpay if they have to.

 

[mikeyfan]

I think just put out that ducks and Zegras agreed to a 3 year length, they are just working on AAV.

It appears their Is a large gap between the two teams on salary.

The Athletic's Pierre LeBrun reported on TSN's “Insider Trading” segment Tuesday that Zegras and the Ducks have agreed on a three-year structure but a “tangible gap” remains in annual average salary. “It's not moving much, but we are talking,” Brisson told The Athletic

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Not really around the league, but incredible. My cousin played D1 women’s hockey and she raved about UNDs facility and rink, even the seats in the arena. Never saw this detail though.