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The first comment Waddell makes about DeAngelo is: “He can certainly run the power play. We know he's a feisty player. He sticks up for his teammates. He plays with an edge, which you need sometimes.”

I’m not saying it’s the only reason, (as I argued that it was more than the PP earlier), but it is a big reason.

Edit: like I said though, I expect another move before the season starts
Thanks. I still read that as just general coachspeak about bringing in a player and talking about said player, it wasn't a "he will be an upgrade on our PP" or "we expect him to help with the PP" but a general "he can do this." We all know he can run the power play (adequately). Having him if Burns or Orlov gets hurt is critical depth on the PP for sure.

No one knows how things will shake out except maybe Rod/Donny, but I don't think it's a fair assumption that TDA is ahead of Chatfield or that his PP ability propels him ahead for any reason. Orlov not being used on the PP would be a misuse of his talent frankly and Burns will obviously be on it. We could potentially use TDA and Burns or Orlov on the same unit but we haven't seen a 2 D PP from Rod yet so I'm skeptical on that.

Personally I think Chatfield performed better for us last year than TDA did for us his year here and that plays into my view that he may be ahead of TDA, along with Rod's preference for defensively responsible players. That said I think if we keep the group as is, there will be a rotation of guys, not just Chat/TDA rotating but giving vets days off, etc.

And yes I think there's a very good chance of another move before the season starts, I wouldn't necessarily say I expect one, maybe 50/50, but yeah it's a strong possibility.
 
For me, it's simple. We know DeAngelo isn't great defensively, and we'll likely use him exclusively as a PP specialist. We also know that Rod is very stubborn/loyal and very reluctant to change. So I imagine (assuming we somehow don't make another move), we'll start the season with Chatfield on that bottom pair and switch to DeAngelo only when our PP gets in real dire straits.

Don't ask me when Coghlan or Jones will fit in, because that's still a mystery to me.
 
For me, it's simple. We know DeAngelo isn't great defensively, and we'll likely use him exclusively as a PP specialist. We also know that Rod is very stubborn/loyal and very reluctant to change. So I imagine (assuming we somehow don't make another move), we'll start the season with Chatfield on that bottom pair and switch to DeAngelo only when our PP gets in real dire straits.

Don't ask me when Coghlan or Jones will fit in, because that's still a mystery to me.
Does not compute...that would require changing something on our PP instead of doing the same thing over and over and over...SORCERY! WITCHCRAFT! BURN THE INFEDEL
 
I've never really viewed Orlov as a great PP guy, but he certainly wasn't getting fed the best PP minutes in Washington over the years in general. But it could be worth checking him out there in our system that runs the two units somewhat equally at times and see what he can do. He has some skills that could work well there for sure.

I don't have a clue who sits and how often if we keep things as is. Rod would more than earn his check from balancing that alone.
 
Thanks. I still read that as just general coachspeak about bringing in a player and talking about said player, it wasn't a "he will be an upgrade on our PP" or "we expect him to help with the PP" but a general "he can do this.
We all know he can run the power play (adequately). Having him if Burns or Orlov gets hurt is critical depth on the PP for sure.
It's because it's how you want to read it. :sarcasm: Seriously, for me there are a number of things that give me this indication and what Waddell said backs it up.
1) They first acquired Tony to basically replace Dougie, primarily on the PP.
2) In his 1 season here, Tony played 3:03 min / game on the PP.
3) Tony had 20 PP points in 64 games. Since 2018/19 Compare that with Hamilton's 37 in 264 games and Burn's 23 in 82 games.
4) In the last 3 seasons (as that's what NST allows me to do), here's how guys scored on the PP: Hamilton - 6.6P/60; DeAngelo - 6.15; Burns - 5.6; Skjei - 4.6
5) In the last 5 seasons in WSH, Orlov has averaged 1:01 min / game on the PP. He scored at a rate of 3.6 P/60 the last 3 seasons.

Lastly, if Tony is so poor defensively as you and others stated, then why else acquire him if it's not for his offense on the PP? For the record, I do think Tony brings more than just PP and I've stated this earlier in the off-season. I don't want him in the top 4 (at least not very long), but he's an asset on the 3rd pairing, can play up in a pinch, is feisty, and he can bring offense from that pairing.

Point being, Tony was a PP guy when he was here the 1st time and they wanted to keep him. They wanted to keep him in that PP role, but reduce his 5v5 role, thus not wanting to pay him $5M.

No one knows how things will shake out except maybe Rod/Donny, but I don't think it's a fair assumption that TDA is ahead of Chatfield or that his PP ability propels him ahead for any reason.
I do think it's fair for the reasons I stated. It's fine if you don't agree, but I've listed the reasons why I think that's the case.

Orlov not being used on the PP would be a misuse of his talent frankly
History disagrees with your assessment. He hasn't been used much and he hasn't performed well either. Let's not act like he's an exceptional PP talent. Even this season, they've used Carlson (duh), Gustafson, and after acquiring him, Sandin over using Orlov based on TOI/GP. Boston used McAvoy and Lindholm over him as well and he had only 4 points in 23G in Boston on the PP.

and Burns will obviously be on it.
Agree
We could potentially use TDA and Burns or Orlov on the same unit but we haven't seen a 2 D PP from Rod yet so I'm skeptical on that.
Agree, I think it will be TDA and Burns.
Personally I think Chatfield performed better for us last year than TDA did for us his year here
I like Chat, but he and CDH were the most sheltered regular D on the Canes last year. When Tony was here, he was playing against much tougher competition for a long stretch of time. It's fair to say that it was with Slavin, the great equalizer. And I get that Chat never looked out of place when he spent a couple weeks subbing for someone in the top 4, but "not looking out of place for a short period" isn't the same as doing it for a large sample size.

That said, I agree that Chat is better defensively, but TDA is just as good of a skater, is a much better passer, and is much better offensively. Tony is the best passer on the backend on the PP the Canes have had in a long time.
and that plays into my view that he may be ahead of TDA, along with Rod's preference for defensively responsible players.
Yes, so that's my point. If Rod has a preference for defensively responsible players, then you must conclude the main reason the Canes acquired TDA (who isn't good defensively) is for the PP, no?
That said I think if we keep the group as is, there will be a rotation of guys, not just Chat/TDA rotating but giving vets days off, etc.
That's probably so, but if we keep them the same group and Tony is having success on the PP, he will rarely sit. I'm not saying the first 10-15 games, but as the season goes on. Same goes if he isn't having success on the PP, he'll very likely sit more. All depends how he performs on the PP.
And yes I think there's a very good chance of another move before the season starts, I wouldn't necessarily say I expect one, maybe 50/50, but yeah it's a strong possibility.
Agree.
 
I am someone that does not understand why we have Orlov Skjei and Pesce still. To me it just feels like there is another shoe about to drop, but I also would not be surprised if they just went into the season like this.

If we dont trade anyone, I wonder what the D pairings will look like.

Slavin - Burns
Skjei - Pesce
Orlov - TDA

I wonder if this is what we do. I am not sure they will split up Skjei and Pesce if both are still on the team, and from what I've read Orlov is very good defensively and could probably cover for TDA.
The thing that gets me is that I don't think Jones just spent a year playing good hockey on a terrible team only to willingly sign to play for a team that will be healthy scratching him every night.

And maybe he did, but to me, that signing was a big signal flair that there is still one more, potentially big, move to be made this summer.
 
I don't think Orlov is making 7.75m to play on the 3rd pair.

I agree with others there has to be at least one more move coming.

With Buffalo just dumping Lybushkin I wonder if they're a landing spot for one of our guys. They have plenty of forward upgrades in all age ranges and levels of nhl readiness we could use. I think they also SHOULD be looking to upgrade that D to the point they're a playoff team. They're past the point they should be tanking and building up a cupboard.
 
We may be just looking for the best deal possible in a landscape where there’s maybe no value in trades left out there. The market may have softened for the guy/guys we wanted to move early so now we’re just riding it out because there’s nothing but bad deals left. I don’t know that I’d assume a good forward is coming back from a deal right now. Might be why the Borg is hyping having great defense is the plan.
 
Until the season starts I don’t believe we’re done trying. Maybe by camp starting as I think Rod has a pretty clear idea of what he wants year to year and that’s often in place to some extent from day one of camp. Not that they make moves based on him but if they make it to camp without the moves being done Rod’s voice may carry more weight at that point.
 
It’s not as if Jones was signed on July 1st. August 10th is take a one-way contract wherever you can get it.

I know his public charts look decent, but a team with significant cap space letting him go (because of arb risk) and the long wait for a contract says it all about how decision makers around the league see him.
 
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I love Chat and he was a monster for us last year. In the same breath, I value DeAngelo as a much more valuable defenseman at this point in their careers. In their one season sample sizes with the Canes, Chat was a defensively strong player and offensive black hole against the worst competition. DeAngelo held his own defensively and was an offensive and powerplay wizard playing against the best competition. Tony also has a much longer sample size going for him. I get that Chat's the sexier pick right now based on their last season, but I'd bet you a dollar Rod's putting Chat in the pressbox with the current lineup, and Tony will either be on the 1st or 3rd pairing.
 
I love Chat and he was a monster for us last year. In the same breath, I value DeAngelo as a much more valuable defenseman at this point in their careers. In their one season sample sizes with the Canes, Chat was a defensively strong player and offensive black hole against the worst competition. DeAngelo held his own defensively and was an offensive and powerplay wizard playing against the best competition. Tony also has a much longer sample size going for him. I get that Chat's the sexier pick right now based on their last season, but I'd bet you a dollar Rod's putting Chat in the pressbox with the current lineup, and Tony will either be on the 1st or 3rd pairing.

Additional food for thought: the Borg is probably also considering a longer term perspective. He still has to prove it, but it looks to me like Chat has the potential to be a solid long term Canes 2nd pair regular at a bargain cap hit. I've gotta believe the Borg will continue to facilitate Chat's development if they see that potential.

I'm also of the opinion that there will be at least one more Canes D-man on the way out, but even so, seems like Rod is going to be earning his money this season keeping everyone happy w.r.t. playing time. I'd love to see the team ration playing time among all the D so as to reduce wear and tear come playoff time. Gotta believe that would present a real advantage if they manage it.
 
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