Around the League 39: Will Kessel Sign in Winnipeg? The World Waits with Dogged Breath!
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Well now Tarasenko has to decide on us or taking a bunch of money to play for a terrible team for 4 months
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surely you can understand the confusion
Maybe they're not terrible in regular-season play, but the way that market torches players who don't meet/exceed expectations is rough
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How does this work for Ottawa? Is Murray's dead cap no longer applied to them?
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My understanding is that if Murray had been bought out by the Leafs, OTT would also get about $1M in cap relief as well. So, potentially, more $$$ for them to offer Tarasenko. Now that Murray is going on LTIR vs a buy out, no relief for OTT.
Don’t ask me to cite a source there..heh
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The LTIR player's cap hit applies normally, the club get relief for the replacement player(s)'s salary. None is forthcoming for Ottawa.
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Just a rant but this Matt Murray stuff reeks of the worst LTIR shenanigans so far, and there have been a LOT of shenanigans. I'm not sure how much it's glass houses and stones and whatnot with Jake Gardiner being LTIRed for 2 years, but from what I understand he had legit career-ending injuries and could not possibly play a full season. Matt Murray said outright and his coach said he could play, and there are receipts, as recently as the 23' playoffs.
I have no idea what the solution should be, but to me this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and the NHL needs to put there foot down for the next CBA.
Better yet, if they have any ammunition, perhaps they could have all of these LTIR situations retroactively "under investigation", and then come back with taking away draft picks.
It reminds me of the long contract situations. We had some real whoppers of contracts, all "under investigation", and then the Kovalchuk one is the most egregious.
My money is on the NHL doing nothing, but damn I think something should give here.
I have no idea what the solution should be, but to me this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and the NHL needs to put there foot down for the next CBA.
Better yet, if they have any ammunition, perhaps they could have all of these LTIR situations retroactively "under investigation", and then come back with taking away draft picks.
It reminds me of the long contract situations. We had some real whoppers of contracts, all "under investigation", and then the Kovalchuk one is the most egregious.
My money is on the NHL doing nothing, but damn I think something should give here.
Seems like we should move out of Tiffany’s before we engage in this topic.
First of all, IMO, nothing was more egregious than Tampa icing a $90+ 20 man squad during one of their most recent Cup wins. It wasn't the "using of LTIR" that was the issue as much as it made a joke of what the salary cap is supposed to do.
All that said, I have no problem with LTIR as currently constructed if the tweak the rules to say that the team you put on the ice (20 man squad) must be compliant with that year's salary cap. I don't care if they had players sitting in the press box worth 10s of millions of dollars. But I do care that a team can ice a squad in excess of the salary cap.
In the end, I don't have any other problem with LTIR including trading for players on LTIR because the team that trades for it has to give up compensation, often significant compensation to get that relief.
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IMO, when you use LTIR to genuinely replace a player, great! That's what it's there for. When said injured player is mysteriously perfectly able to play on Game 1 of the playoffs, uh...
The only real fix is to stop counting the cap as a per day thing, which is the reason it only applies in the regular season. That's never made any f***ing sense apart for as a tool to allow more deadline trades. Based on the total AAVs of the contracts, the 20 man roster for each game has to be under the cap, including in the playoffs. LTIR can stay, but if Kucherov comes back, somebody well paid has to come off the roster.
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One day a player will go to salary arbitration and the team will note that he really hasnt been very good in the playoffs, and that players agent will counter with well you dont pay him during the playoffs so you cant hold that against him. When the arbitrator says "Thats a valid point" and awards said player a larger contract, only then will the league realize how f***ing dumb its salary pay structure is .
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Why couldn't they make it so at 11:59 PM on the last day of the regular season anyone on LTIR is ineligible for the playoffs? You can activate them, be cap compliant, and have them for the playoffs. Or you don't activate them, be cap compliant, and don't have them for the playoffs. Then the cap comes off day 1 of the playoffs like it does now.
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Yeah I would just rather keep the cap hits in effect for the playoffs as well. If you have a $10m player coming back from LTIR, then you need to free up $10m in cap space, combined with unused space deactivating players with enough salary to get compliant.
This is the solution. There's no banking while in LTIR. On the last day, a team has the daily equivalent of x cap hit or they don't. Pretty simple.
You don't want to penalize teams that make a sacrifice early (unused cap space) to be able to spend later and thus into the playoffs. That's not a competitively unfair strategy.
From an entertainment perspective, the trade deadline is a marquee league event. A true cap in the playoffs would kill it.
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I'd rather just say that players that are on LTIR at the start of the playoffs (and therefore didn't force their team to make tough cap decisions) have to sit out for a round or 10 games or something. That way, if you have a guy that was legitimately hurt but possibly available to come back later in the playoffs, you aren't punished. And, even if you are a good team, you have to think long and hard about manipulating things and then having Mark Stone or Nikita Kucherov magically ready for game one of the playoffs.
In a more perfect world, you'd actually be able to judge that a guy that's been skating for like 6 weeks could probably play before the magic deadline of game one of the playoffs or if a player's back is good enough for the Monday the playoffs start, it was certainly good enough for the Friday the season ended, but nobody seems to be interested in that.
In a more perfect world, you'd actually be able to judge that a guy that's been skating for like 6 weeks could probably play before the magic deadline of game one of the playoffs or if a player's back is good enough for the Monday the playoffs start, it was certainly good enough for the Friday the season ended, but nobody seems to be interested in that.
That was my point re: salary cap during playoffs. When a trade is made at TDL, the player's cap hit is prorated. That should be used to calculate traded players vis a vie the cap. But if you had to be cap compliant with regard to the team you put on the ice, that would end the shenanigans part of LTIR.
For example, in the Tampa/Kucherov case, the Bolts would have had to sit a Killorn or some similar player with a similar cap. They may have had to sit 2 guys. Instead they iced a team that exceeded the in-season cap by over $10 million.
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The idea of LTIR is you get cap relief for an injured player. Not that you get extra cap to play games with upon the injured players return. Tough cap decisions should be part of the calculus for the GM.
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