Around the League 36-But Who's Counting...

[Cardiac Jerks]

It's a show from 2006. Was pretty good, too.

Mike Card starred in that, no?

I think I saw that.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I fully expect both Bedard and Michkov to wind up in the Metro

I'm liking this post, but I don't like it...

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Jackets getting Bedard and Flyers getting Michkov would be PEAK Metro lol

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Hamilton had 6 points in the 7 games against Washington in 19. Only Ovechkin, Backstrom and Slavin had more in that series

Since defense is part of the game for Hamilton, my point still stands. He looked like a 3rd pairing defender out there. Ovi jumped on the ice every time he was out there. Hamilton ran away.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You believe they can easily move a 33-year-old defenseman making $9 million a year? With a modified NTC at that?

Alright then...

Once NJ pays his signing bonus, he's only owed $6.25M over the last 2 years of his contract so moving that contract in a rising cap environment won't be an issue. The modified NTC of 10 teams he can be traded to is the sticking point.

Not sure if you’ve watched them this year so far - but what I saw last night was an extremely fast team. Their transition game is really, really good.

yeah, they look legit to me.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You think we wouldn’t have paid for either if they were known to be playoff performers? Yea okay

We haven't yet signed 1 guy that is older to a big dollar, long term contract and have even balked at smaller deals. Faulk, Dougie, TDA, Trocheck, Nino, etc.. Acting like they would have re-signed Dougie if he did better in the playoffs to a $9M/8 year deal doesn't jive with how the front office has operated.

IMO, there was almost zero chance they were re-signing Dougie, regardless of how he did or didn't do in the playoffs. Trocheck was one of our best forwards in last year's playoffs and we let him walk in favor of using the money on Kotkaniemi, who is younger and cheaper, and not as good.

Another example. Faulk had an excellent playoffs in 18-19 and we parted with him the next year rather than pay him.

Don't read this as complaining about the moves, just stating that's how the front office has operated.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Since defense is part of the game for Hamilton, my point still stands. He looked like a 3rd pairing defender out there. Ovi jumped on the ice every time he was out there. Hamilton ran away.

In 18/19:

GA/60 in the playoffs: Dougie was 1.65 (Faulk 1.9, Pesce 1.95, Slavin 2.07)
xGA/60: Dougie was 2.1 (Slavin 2.22, Pesce 2.34, Faulk 2.35)
SCA/60: Dougie was 23.32 (Slavin 22.56, Pesce 24.56, Faulk 25.8)
HDCA/60: Dougie was at 9.89 (Slavin 10.14, Pesce 10.77, Faulk 13.53)
HDGA/60: Dougie was at 0.71 (Slavin 1.03, Faulk 1.06, Pesce 1.08)

It's interesting that the "3rd pairing defender" had the best defensive metrics out of the top 4. He was also at the top for most offensive categories as well (for defensemen).

He certainly shied away from the physical play from Ovechkin, but I think that alone may have clouded the opinion of his overall performance.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

We haven't yet signed 1 guy that is older to a big dollar, long term contract and have even balked at smaller deals. Faulk, Dougie, TDA, Trocheck, Nino, etc.. Acting like they would have re-signed Dougie if he did better in the playoffs to a $9M/8 year deal doesn't jive with how the front office has operated.

IMO, there was almost zero chance they were re-signing Dougie, regardless of how he did or didn't do in the playoffs. Trocheck was one of our best forwards in last year's playoffs and we let him walk in favor of using the money on Kotkaniemi, who is younger and cheaper, and not as good.

Another example. Faulk had an excellent playoffs in 18-19 and we parted with him the next year rather than pay him.

Don't read this as complaining about the moves, just stating that's how the front office has operated.

How many of those players listed is a well rounded player that would be worth keeping?

Hamilton and TDA were defensive 3rd pairing defenders when it matters.

Trocheck had chemistry issues, he finally had a good playoffs although littered with mistakes that led to goals.

Nino, I would out serious money we offered him more money than Nashville did but it isn’t what he wanted and we quickly pivoted. Also only 1 of the 3 playoffs was good. Agent overplayed the hand and he was stuck taking the last deal.

Faulk, we didn’t have roster room for. His goal hitting ability had died over the previous 3 seasons.

If we had a player worth keeping, I would bet we would keep him.

 

[sabremike]

Mike Card starred in that, no?

I think I saw that.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

How many of those players listed is a well rounded player that would be worth keeping?

Hamilton and TDA were defensive 3rd pairing defenders when it matters.

Trocheck had chemistry issues, he finally had a good playoffs although littered with mistakes that led to goals.

Nino, I would out serious money we offered him more money than Nashville did but it isn’t what he wanted and we quickly pivoted. Also only 1 of the 3 playoffs was good.

Faulk, we didn’t have roster room for. His goal hitting ability had died over the previous 3 seasons.

So your theory is that a front office that doesn't re-sign older guys to longer and looks for cap/market efficiencies would have signed Hamilton to a 7-8 year $9M deal if he played better in the playoffs? I don't see it, but whatever.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So your theory is that a front office that doesn't re-sign older guys to longer and looks for cap/market efficiencies would have signed Hamilton to a 7-8 year $9M deal if he played better in the playoffs? I don't see it, but whatever.

Seeing the value of 1RDs, yes. His 1RD production didn’t last past March so it wasn’t worth it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Seeing the value of 1RDs, yes. His 1RD production didn’t last past March so it wasn’t worth it.

IMO, It's more that his salary and term and age.....were too high for the front office's tastes as that's more consistent with how they've acted. I don't blame them with what the team had to get done going forward but I disagree with your assessment. It's fine to disagree, but you're "Yea ok" to bleed is a bit much given it's all speculative.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I say the Rangers get all three of Fantilli, Bedard, and Michkov and turn them into 30 point third liners.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Why not just appreciate how great both players were for us

This is the part I don't get. Dougie was a damn good Hurricane. He doesn't have to be everyone's favorite player, but he's without a doubt just as big a part of this team's playoff history as a Tim Gleason for example. He was an integral part of the culture of that 2018-21 era when this was by far the most likeable team in the league. It's not like he left here on bad terms, so it's beyond me why we would do anything but put respect on his name.

 

[AD Skinner]

Preach it. Dougie ruled/rules

 

[Canes]

I say the Rangers get all three of Fantilli, Bedard, and Michkov and turn them into 30 point third liners.

Only because Michkov will come over when he's 37 when the Rangers give him a 3 year 60 million dollar contract. Fantilli as much of a fan I am of him gives major bust vibes. Bedard they will trade for Jack Eichel. So it's all good.

 

[Canes]

Dougie is a good player. Can win on the right team, with the right partner. But we were right not to pay him.

Him being mocked by one of the best players of this generation is also not without warrant. No one would mock Brent Burns like that. No one would mock TDA like that (at least for the same reason). All 3 vastly different players but only 2 put their bodies on the line shift after shift.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Dougie is a good player. Can win on the right team, with the right partner. But we were right not to pay him.

Him being mocked by one of the best players of this generation is also not without warrant. No one would mock Brent Burns like that. No one would mock TDA like that (at least for the same reason). All 3 vastly different players but only 2 put their bodies on the line shift after shift.

That’s really not the best example to use. Ovi is mocking him after making an ass of himself trying to hit Dougie and missing and ending up on his ass.

 

[AD Skinner]

That’s really not the best example to use. Ovi is mocking him after making an ass of himself trying to hit Dougie and missing and ending up on his ass.

For real. Whose team won that series and whose team hasn't won a playoff round since?

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Dougie is a good player. Can win on the right team, with the right partner. But we were right not to pay him.

Him being mocked by one of the best players of this generation is also not without warrant. No one would mock Brent Burns like that. No one would mock TDA like that (at least for the same reason). All 3 vastly different players but only 2 put their bodies on the line shift after shift.

Also, if that exact same scenario played out in games 5 and 6 but with TDA or Burns, Ovi would 100% mock TDA and probably Burns as well. You think Ovi would be scared of TDA coming after him? Dude is a freaking dwarf compared to Ovi.

 

[bleedgreen]

Dougie is a good player. Can win on the right team, with the right partner. But we were right not to pay him.

Him being mocked by one of the best players of this generation is also not without warrant. No one would mock Brent Burns like that. No one would mock TDA like that (at least for the same reason). All 3 vastly different players but only 2 put their bodies on the line shift after shift.

We weren’t going to pay him whether it was right or wrong. We don’t sign those contracts. We barely offered him a raise at all, we didn’t want to be involved. You can’t say it’s because of something to do with Dougie’s performance, that’s how we do business.

Getting out of the way when Ovi is trying to charge you is common sense, especially when you’re a prime time player for us and it’s the playoffs. I’ve never understood the fuss about that whole incident, and I’m about as old school as they come. I didn’t see a single thing that Dougie should’ve done different. In fact, if it wasn’t Dougie people would’ve given him kudos for not getting involved. We as a group don’t really fight and it’s been hinted that even the coach isn’t a big fan of it. Especially any of the skill guys.

People love bagging on Dougie, that’s fine for the rest of the league but for him to come into our weird little culture and fit like a glove was an amazing thing to watch and be part of. When we as a group clown him I get so confused and honestly it puts me off on the fan base. That guy was easy to like and appreciate. It makes no sense for us to give him a hard time, but to each their own.

 

[AD Skinner]

.People love bagging on Dougie, that’s fine for the rest of the league but for him to come into our weird little culture and fit like a glove was an amazing thing to watch and be part of. When we as a group clown him I get so confused and honestly it puts me off on the fan base. That guy was easy to like and appreciate. It makes no sense for us to give him a hard time, but to each their own.

This right here. Dougie was a great cane and a huge part of the turnaround.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

For me, it's simple. Dougie wanted to get paid like Pietrangelo, but didn't play like Pietrangelo, especially in the playoffs. Thus, we moved on.

A business decision, through and through, and I'm sure all parties involved would tell you the same.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Dougie is a good player. Can win on the right team, with the right partner. But we were right not to pay him.

Him being mocked by one of the best players of this generation is also not without warrant. No one would mock Brent Burns like that. No one would mock TDA like that (at least for the same reason). All 3 vastly different players but only 2 put their bodies on the line shift after shift.

Nobody would mock TDA in the playoffs? You sure about that?

 

[HisIceness]

Dougie and honestly even Ferland were more fan favorites than either Lindholm or Hanifin. Nothing against those two but that trade helped jump-start a new era of Hurricanes Hockey.