TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Fans of teams that have elite defensive groups always forget about how desperately coveted RHD are by teams that don't have them. Prices for such players are always through the roof.
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Fans of teams that have elite defensive groups always forget about how desperately coveted RHD are by teams that don't have them. Prices for such players are always through the roof.
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I'd feel better about that if the Rags didn't get a nice piece of ammo for someone they didn't seem to want all that much and didn't want to be there.
HisIceness
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Isn't Dallas in need of blue-line help? Makes sense to get the player, the price is what it is.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
I just don't get why my opinion is so deviant from the main boards...this is a good young RHD prospect with offensive potential and two ELC years remaining. OF COURSE the price is high.
The bar for a 1st round pick to increase value is generally high. Lundkvist's development is going fine, but nothing crazy for the sheer fact that he's through D+4 and has proven nothing at the NHL level. Bean dropped a whole round in value just last year as an example of this.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Its a bad trade for Dallas, RHD or not. I would be less furious if we had done the deal because our 1st rounder is likely very low but still. For a kid who hasn’t cracked the lineup and doesn’t want to be a part of his current organization, definitely not giving up the top trade asset.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
The contractual situations with Lundkvist and Bean are very different, though, and aren't truly comparable with each other. Lundkvist has two ELC seasons remaining (with all of its value in terms of cap space) and is waivers exempt for both years, while Bean was an RFA in need of a new contract and would've required waivers to send down. This is why Bean returned a high 2nd instead of a late 1st in a trade despite proving that he could hang with NHLers.
I’m aware. If Lundkvist ended up being worth a bit more relative to his pedigree than Bean to his for those factors, that’s understandable. A mid-1st, the expected pick slot here, is a significant asset in this context, however. His trade value improved. That’s unusual.
You were commenting on why you felt on an island. For a prospect that many years in having done basically nothing at the NHL level, that concept is jarring.
EDIT: Value decay is the expectation. That didn’t occur here.
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I think it's a bit early to make any kind of judgment of the trade. Lundqvist just only turned 22. He's still basically an infant learning to walk. Playing defense in this league is very unforgiving.
Probable good trade for both.
Rags also get a 3rd or 4th in ‘25 and now have 2 firsts for trade deadline deals (or not and keep them).
Rags also get a 3rd or 4th in ‘25 and now have 2 firsts for trade deadline deals (or not and keep them).
Anton Dubinchuk
aho
Yeah remember that time we had to give up Steven Lorentz for Brent Burns oof.
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WreckingCrew
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What a fall man, just 4 years ago he had his best season 16G-43A-59PTS and then just started falling off a cliff. I respect a lot of what he's done off-ice for charities and such, but he was also a Wilson-level intent-to-injure POS on the ice (headshots and slewfoots and flying elbows in preseason games my man?). Still weird to see a guy who was an All-Star not long ago retire at 33
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As does Yandle. Wasn't too long ago that all 3 were considered near the top of the league for defensemen
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Svechhammer
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Thats a lot of money. I mean you have to pay it when you have a talent like him on your team, but between Makar and McKinnon, they have $20.5m tied up per year for the next forever. Some significant sacrifices will be necessary elsewhere unless the cap starts rising quickly in the future.
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From everything I've seen the cap is supposed to increase substantially in 23-24; will probably cover most of Mac's raise.
Svechhammer
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I sure hope so, because we're going to need it for ourselves if we hope to keep taking strides forward.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Makar's current extension is a complete bargain relative to performance, though, which helps the situation a lot. Also, Erik Johnson's expiring $6M cap hit essentially pays for the MacKinnon extension.
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I think we keep Aho at $10m/yr on his next deal, it won't be easy but we'll need to pay him that.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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I have little question that the Canes will keep Aho unless, by some miracle, a true 1C candidate drops into their arms, either from their draft crop or via trade. For obvious reasons, neither are likely scenarios. I don't think that the Canes are afraid of paying true core pieces the big bucks.
WreckingCrew
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Due is a 1.32 PPG player over the past 5 seasons, regular season AND playoffs...AND averages to 40G/yr (pace)
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