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Evilhomer said:
Is Colorado trying to corner the market on acquiring mediocre goalies? They just go from one to another.
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Blackwoods a pretty good goalie and he's at that age where a lot of goalies seem to really breakout and he's putting up good numbers on a bad team. Could be a repeat of Ullmark to Boston where Ullmark put up good numbers on a bad team and then signed in Boston around the same age as Blackwood and won a Vezina not long after.
 
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What a disaster in New York. The Sabres had lost 6 in a row and just got embarrassed by Utah. You can't blow a multi goal lead like that in the 3rd against a crappy team like Detroit.

And then all the drama surrounding the Rangers. Borderline must win game against the worst team in the league and they lay an egg on home ice.

The funniest part about all of this? They play each other on Wednesday lmao
 
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Blackwood has always seemed to be the type of goalie to play a lot better when he's facing a crazy amount of shots. He just moved from the tram that gave up the 2nd most shots to the team that gives up the 4th fewest sog. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
Seath The Scaleless said:
What a disaster in New York. The Sabres had lost 6 in a row and just got embarrassed by Utah. You can't blow a multi goal lead like that in the 3rd against a crappy team like Detroit.

And then all the drama surrounding the Rangers. Borderline must win game against the worst team in the league and they lay an egg on home ice.

The funniest part about all of this? They play each other on Wednesday lmao
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Did the Rangers quit on Laviolette?
 
Top 5/Bottom 5 point pace changes relative to last year:

Minnesota: +35 points
Washington: +31 points
New Jersey: +23 points
San Jose: +21 points
Anaheim: +17 points

Detroit: -15 points
Boston: -16 points
Colorado: -16 points
New York: -26 points
Nashville: -40 points
 
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Nothing but bad teams playing last night.

The Rangers were expected to be cup contenders this year and instead are a complete joke. Drury needs to be fired. I don't think the players quit on the coach.

They quit on the GM.

I couldn't stand to watch the other two games. They were both bad team vs bad team. So I watched the Calgary vs Dallas game from the other night instead.

Lmfao @ Calgary who has now dropped eight straight.

What a head fake that hot start turned out to be. Guess we all knew it wouldn't last. I feel bad for anyone living in a city with a garbage hockey team like that.

As a Leafs fan I experienced that feeling for decades so I know what it's like.
 
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Top 5/Bottom 5 point pace changes relative to last year:

Minnesota: +35 points
Washington: +31 points
New Jersey: +23 points
San Jose: +21 points
Anaheim: +17 points

Detroit: -15 points
Boston: -16 points
Colorado: -16 points
New York: -26 points
Nashville: -40 points
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All 5 of the up teams will fall off their pace. The Rangers and the Avalanche should improve, but I don't think Detroit or Boston will improve. No idea about Nashville. They are a mess right now.
 
Evilhomer said:
All 5 of the up teams will fall off their pace. The Rangers and the Avalanche should improve, but I don't think Detroit or Boston will improve. No idea about Nashville. They are a mess right now.
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Of the top teams, Minnesota and Washington likely fall back a bit, but New Jersey, San Jose, and Anaheim seem sustainable. New Jersey may even be underperforming. Their underlying metrics have massively improved under Keefe.

Of the bottom teams, Nashville, Colorado, and Boston likely improve their paces. New York may be able to turn things around, but they're a disaster right now, and have fully earned the poor record they have thus far. Detroit seems pretty sustainably bad.
 
Evilhomer said:
You're missing the key point of what he said:

"When you talk to Stamkos or Marchessault or players that are serial winners, guys that have gone deep, have had good careers, and made a lot of money, it doesn't go that far," Trotz continued. "But it does help the middle group a little bit. For the elite players, the top players, they're just looking for a place that's serious about winning, wants to win, fits in their window."

In other words, if you have a lot of money, this stuff doesn't matter. It doesn't factor into the decision-making of high-end players.
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Except….. that’s not true at all? You think it’s a coincidence that all players who made “a lot of money” chose state tax free markets?

What’s a lot of money? Marchessault/stamkos have very different career earnings.

So Matthews who already made 60 didn’t need money and should have signed for what?

It’s silly.
 
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Legion34 said:
Except….. that’s not true at all? You think it’s a coincidence that all players who made “a lot of money” chose state tax free markets?

What’s a lot of money? Marchessault/stamkos have very different career earnings.

So Matthews who already made 60 didn’t need money and should have signed for what?

It’s silly.
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All players who have made a lot of money have not chosen low state tax teams. If that were the case, no one in any sport would be playing in New York or California.
 
Evilhomer said:
All players who have made a lot of money have not chosen low state tax teams. If that were the case, no one in any sport would be playing in New York or California.
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First of all, are you suggesting that players would not choose to play hockey despite taxes? Once all 23 roster spots are filled up, what 400 players apply to the Home Depot?

Of course players will play in high tax areas, they will take more cap to do so. No state tax teams get the same caliber of player for a discount because the take home pay is the same.

There are many reasons to play in Toronto/New York/la or Chicago.

It just costs more for teams to get players to do so. If you think that stamkos/march/skej/stephenson/montour/guentzel/reinhart just all happened to sign in no state tax markets as coincidence, I don’t know what to say.

Different states/governance/weather/competive cycles. Seattle and Nashville couldn’t be more different. But they all have one thing in common
 
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Legion34 said:
First of all, are you suggesting that players would not choose to play hockey despite taxes? Once all 23 roster spots are filled up, what 400 players apply to the Home Depot?

Of course players will play in high tax areas, they will take more cap to do so. No state tax teams get the same caliber of player for a discount because the take home pay is the same.

There are many reasons to play in Toronto/New York/la or Chicago.

It just costs more for teams to get players to do so. If you think that stamkos/march/skej/stephenson/montour/guentzel/reinhart just all happened to sign in no state tax markets as coincidence, I don’t know what to say.

Different states/governance/weather/competive cycles. Seattle and Nashville couldn’t be more different. But they all have one thing in common
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I think other than Reinhart and Guentzel, who stayed with their teams for what I think are fairly obvious reasons, I'm pretty sure all of those other guys signed with those teams because those teams gave them contracts that no other teams would. Again, I hate to harp on this, but why do you think we only hear about this issue in the NHL? Are there NBA and NFL teams in higher tax states complaining about this? MLB?
 
Evilhomer said:
I think other than Reinhart and Guentzel, who stayed with their teams for what I think are fairly obvious reasons, I'm pretty sure all of those other guys signed with those teams because those teams gave them contracts that no other teams would. Again, I hate to harp on this, but why do you think we only hear about this issue in the NHL? Are there NBA and NFL teams in higher tax states complaining about this? MLB?
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You l think no one else would have paid those salaries?

you also don’t know what they complain about or not.
Because
1.) the NHL is the only league that has a triple hard cap.
2.) the NHL is the only league that has a Canadian border where 6 teams play in Canada and as a Canadian player you play over 60% of your games in Canada
3.) the NFL has only 8 home games. You can declare residency in a no tax state much easier
4.) same with the NBA.

They are completely different systems luxury taxes/cuts/bonuses/bird rules. You can’t compare them at all.
 
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PromisedLand said:
Things are starting to get salty :laugh:

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I absolutely love this stuff..time for folks around the league to start calling things out in public more.

Evilhomer said:
You're missing the key point of what he said:

"When you talk to Stamkos or Marchessault or players that are serial winners, guys that have gone deep, have had good careers, and made a lot of money, it doesn't go that far," Trotz continued. "But it does help the middle group a little bit. For the elite players, the top players, they're just looking for a place that's serious about winning, wants to win, fits in their window."

In other words, if you have a lot of money, this stuff doesn't matter. It doesn't factor into the decision-making of high-end players.
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That's a VERY generous interpretation of what he's saying, and I wouldnt agree at all with that. Him saying it matters less isn't the same thing as them not caring at all. Everyone cares about the bottom line
 
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I'm so glad the Swayman contract is going horribly. Going into Bruins twitter is very cathartic at the moment.
 
Seath The Scaleless said:
What a disaster in New York. The Sabres had lost 6 in a row and just got embarrassed by Utah. You can't blow a multi goal lead like that in the 3rd against a crappy team like Detroit.

And then all the drama surrounding the Rangers. Borderline must win game against the worst team in the league and they lay an egg on home ice.

The funniest part about all of this? They play each other on Wednesday lmao
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Don't worry. Shesterkin's deal doesn't kick in until next season.
 
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