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That's a brutal loss for us. Our AHL program was finally starting to do things consistently well and Cronin was no doubt a huge factor in that.
On the flip side, good for him and for the Ducks.
On the flip side, good for him and for the Ducks.
~5.7m a year... that's not eye popping towards the higher end, but in the realm of other GMs. Holland makes $5m in Edmonton (his deal started in 19, so a while ago in contract time). Yzerman is around 5.5. Sweeney is rumored just below $6m. The highest paid GMs are all in the 5-6 range. By the time the 7 years is up, I doubt Dubas is in the top 10.
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Makes sense for Dubas. He gets a better a better gig and paid ~league average. There was 0 reason for him to take less money in TO and have someone completely overrule him if they wanted to.
Right now he's paid top 5... likely top 3 in the league. So way better than average... which is probably around 2m. JBB in Tampa gets 3.5. Jarmo is just under $3m. As names filter through the next round we likely see a lot of guys cross $5m soon. The early career guys like CMac and Army 2.0 in Arizona are in the mid 1s.
Shanahan is paid way more than $5m as president though (closer to $7m)... so depends on how you compare I guess. As president, still a ton but not near the very top. As GM near the top.
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I was basing that on President considering that's his title. But yeah I guess if he ends up being the pseudo GM then yeah he's definitely on the high end.
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Well thank f*** we already signed him.
That’s a fantastic interview. Also some sort of sorcery going on that you can hear that lady banging on the glass like a lunatic but none of her hilarious but wicked obnoxious yelling
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I think he is a core guy for them. The deal is going to look great once the cap starts to go up again. Less than 8 is going to look like a steal if he lives up to his potential. Health is the only factor that I would be worried about
He clearly is a core guy for them... but my overall point was a rhetorical question is this type of player just a guy you really want as a core player? Meaning a guy that is absurdly good at one thing (scoring goals), but poor to rather bad at nearly everything else. Just an odd sort of player and is that really a 'core' level guy?
We're probably talking about a guy who is a 50g scorer, gets maybe 30 assists (probably 1/3 or more of those off of his shots), is a negative impact defensive player, and brings zero physicality.... but those 50 goals...
Hope so.
Ensures a low Cost when Crosby asks for a trade before the ‘25 deadline.
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The good thing is that 7.875 should age really well I would imagine. But yeah realistically I agree, I don't think he can be your best or 2nd best player. Is WSH the only recent team to win a cup where a winger was their best player(or 2nd best)?
I'd say Kuch is one of the best players on Tampa, arguably best. It is really hard to win with a wing as your best player though. Which if you're talking Kuch or Cheese... they have a lot of attributes that can win games in a variety of ways. Even Ovi brings some things beyond scoring goals. Caufield is really just a 100% goal scorer right now, and a damn good one when healthy. He just adds absolutely nothing else at this point.
Which just gets into that whole debate... is he a guy to build around? I just frankly don't know that answer. If he was coming into a team like Colorado or Vegas that had the next two picks... he'd have stepped into a situation where all he had to do was score goals and thrive.
Yeah, I get that, he certainly doesn't shy away from the physical game--in fact he readily knocked down guys much larger than him in the USHL--but he's not exactly what you'd call a power forward. Also, not very fast. In some ways I'd say he's a better version of DeBrincat, whom I would say is also a very good player but not necessarily a core talent.
I suppose they're looking at him as an elite finisher who'd rack up a ton of points alongside a top-tier center, whomever that might be.
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It's all about how he's surrounded. Say he's on a line with Suzuki (good defensively) and Slafkovski (230 lbs monster) ...those 2 guys can probably make up for his deficiencies.
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DeBrincat could be a core player, but when players like that ask for 9M+ you walk away. With Caufield they get all his prime years for under 8M that's fine (not great but fine).
The biggest win here IMO is Montreal managing to sign an American player for 8 years. It's tough for Canadian teams to do that. Sens got 7 years of Brady Tkachuk a couple of years ago...but it's rare these days.
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But I think the issues are how MTL is built. Suzuki is a damn good player, but is he a cup winning 1C? I have my doubts there. Obviously there's a ways to go in MTL's rebuild and their upcoming pick is pivotal for them taking the next step, but I don't see pieces that are foundational enough to be a cup winner, or even contender yet. They have good pieces but no one that's franchise level(yet) and the guys with the best chance at being franchise guys play the least valuable position.
Gets back to the question… is this the type of guy you want as a core guy? A guy who has to be in a specific situation to work as well as you want.
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Your answer is: "Yes, but..."
They lack the high end guys. The guy they are going to pick at the end of the month needs to become their best player. Also if Dach keeps getting better he's probably going to be their 1C before the end of the season.
He was very good in the 2nd half of last season.
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I think they need to hit with a C at 5 personally. If Smith makes it to 5(unlikely) or Dvorsky hits at C I think that would do wonders for them and their team composition. Adding another winger to the mix doesn't really do much for me imo. A true franchise C would make that top 6 a real strength long term.
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I would have the same concerns if the Avs signed a Caufield-like player to that kind of dollars and term.
It's definitely becoming a trend to lock up players off of their entry level contract to long deals rather than the bridge route of old. You lock up the player for all of their prime, but in most cases, you haven't really seen the peak of the player yet, so there is some extra risk there.
Luke Hughes in New Jersey, as long as he can stay healthy, shows the positive outcome of this approach. Judging by this year, Tage Thompson is an almost certain lock to provide ton of value. Time will tell on players like Norris, Stutzle, Suzuki, and Caufield.
Looking at that group of six names above, do you take Caufield over any of those other players? I admit that I didn't watch a ton of Canadiens games this year, but I was shocked at the AAV, considering the limitations in Caufield's all around game.
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