Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part III

[beastintheeast]

Instead of quoting everything, let me do it this way.

@OMG67 I will go you one better and say that this team was in the top 4 out of 7, including the COVID screw-up. The challenge to that is that it is the team that Andre built.

Having a competitive team every year is good because AVERAGE FANS are happy and willing to put out for tickets. Also, having the top competitive team is not a bad thing when it comes to competing to host championships. Killer and Andre built competitive and, more importantly, entertaining teams.

When does OSEG step in and make a decision to change, it depends on what they have the 67's for is it supposed to be a money maker, is it just something that got them in the door to get Landsdowne, is it that tax right off?

Big business is not always in it to win even though they will tell you that.

Ownership hires people to manage the asset. Using the adage well, they won 4 out of 7, which would be a great reason for Ottawa to keep Boyd around NUT with a different coach. He would have input in hiring but not make the decision.

JB was a mid-tier player at best when he played. He has coached, but to my knowledge, he has never won anything. His claim to fame is that he was mentored by Larry Mavety. That being said it is hard to tell how much of what this team built was JB, Andre or Jan.

DC was a good coach and has numerous winning seasons to show for it. However, just as Killer was an exceptional coach, the league has changed, the players have changed, and teams are winning more with offence and two-way play. It is interesting to note that the WJC team he coached had an assistant named Andre Tourigny on it.

People here complained that Killer stayed well past his prime, which is true. However, the team was competitive with him when he was behind the bench and how he drafted.

@ScoutLife4 Not trading Pineli was a mistake. Boyd should have gotten the best offer he could and taken it, not only because it is better to get something instead of nothing, but to me, the fact that Pinelli had p[acked up and left his billet tells me he really did not want to come back . This year, teams that were competitive did not have a lot to trade. The error was in thinking there was a market at the last minute instead of trading him earlier in the year.

As to expecting good things out of this team, NO I DID NOT everyone knows that I had them slated for where they are. But my argument was that due to this, they needed to make trades that brought in youth and developed the players that they had. This has not been done.

Again whether this team gets better or stays the same will depend on what officially happens between the 1st of March and the OHL priority draft.

 

[beastintheeast]

What brought on the misc in the first period these were not rookies but experienced players on both teams

 

[mianjo]

#23Will Gerrior BoardingMajor 5:00Power Play
2nd 7:39

Penalty
#23Will Gerrior Game Misc-BoardingGame Misconduct

still 4-2 Shots 45-12 in 3rd

5-2

 

[mianjo]

67's lose 5-2 shots 51-15

 

[Rinkrat101]

There was never a trade market for Pinelli he told management long before the dead line he wasn't interested in going anywhere he wanted to finish his junior career in Ottawa.

 

[OMG67]

There was never a trade market for Pinelli he told management long before the dead line he wasn't interested in going anywhere he wanted to finish his junior career in Ottawa.

And yet he packed up all his shit and moved out of his Billets house and went home to await a trade. AND, THEN, he sat out the weekend after the WJHC where other players like Martone, Rehkopf, and Ritchie all played. THEn, he even skipped the Wednesday game before the deadline.

This doesn’t sound like a player and a team that decided well before the deadline that he wouldn’t go anywhere. Pinelli had a NTC. If he seriously wasn’t interested in going anywhere, he could have said that, stayed in Ottawa and not miss the two games and have to move all his shit back into the billet house.

I think your information is at minimum very exaggerated. He most certainly was willing to be traded. He had a short list of teams that he preferred but nothing could get done with those teams.

Now he gets to go chase pucks for half a season while watching his stat line disappear. At least he will get to joking hr Blue Jackets AHL affiliate sooner.

 

[beastintheeast]

And yet he packed up all his shit and moved out of his Billets house and went home to await a trade. AND, THEN, he sat out the weekend after the WJHC where other players like Martone, Rehkopf, and Ritchie all played. THEn, he even skipped the Wednesday game before the deadline.

This doesn’t sound like a player and a team that decided well before the deadline that he wouldn’t go anywhere. Pinelli had a NTC. If he seriously wasn’t interested in going anywhere, he could have said that, stayed in Ottawa and not miss the two games and have to move all his shit back into the billet house.

I think your information is at minimum very exaggerated. He most certainly was willing to be traded. He had a short list of teams that he preferred but nothing could get done with those teams.

Now he gets to go chase pucks for half a season while watching his stat line disappear. At least he will get to joking hr Blue Jackets AHL affiliate sooner.

Personally, I think whatever we could have gotten for him would have been better than the nothing we are going to get. Hindsight always being what it is we might have been better off trading him last year when Kitchener had the pieces to put a good deal in play. The challenge with the deadline this year is that there were only 3 teams that realistically look like they were re going to go far. In the west, London, unless they explode, is going to be very hard to beat. In the east it is the Oshawa Barrie show and both of those teams filled things out and have what they have already.

Therefore, no one was going to be interested in a go-for-it trade other than maybe Kingston and they did not need a winger.

But like OMG, I am not buying the I want to stay in Ottawa that is just nuts, looking at what he did before the deadline. It is simply a fact that Boyd overvalued and held on to him too long.

 

[OMG67]

Personally, I think whatever we could have gotten for him would have been better than the nothing we are going to get. Hindsight always being what it is we might have been better off trading him last year when Kitchener had the pieces to put a good deal in play. The challenge with the deadline this year is that there were only 3 teams that realistically look like they were re going to go far. In the west, London, unless they explode, is going to be very hard to beat. In the east it is the Oshawa Barrie show and both of those teams filled things out and have what they have already.

Therefore, no one was going to be interested in a go-for-it trade other than maybe Kingston and they did not need a winger.

But like OMG, I am not buying the I want to stay in Ottawa that is just nuts, looking at what he did before the deadline. It is simply a fact that Boyd overvalued and held on to him too long.

There wasn’t a good fit. Simple as that. I think if Boyd had taken the picks only type deal Kingston was supposedly offering would have been the right move. I imagine the table was set by then and Boyd sort of knew the landscape. But, I don’t know all the details of course. Nor do I know the timing.

Do I think there was a deal out there for Pinelli that would have been acceptable? Yes. The issue was that it more came down to a Pinelli vs Romani situation and when OVS was tossed into the deal, it was a better fit than Pinelli with Mayich or Stonehouse for Barrie. Brampton amd Kingston not having their 1st round pick made it that more difficult. It is what it is.

Did Boyd get greedy? Sort of. I think he was looking for the better deal that never materialized. That doesn’t mean he was asking too much. I don’t believe that. Mews was a more valuable trade piece than Pinelli and that trade was bad. Of Boyd was willing to do that deal for Mews, no one can tell me he was over valuing Pinelli.

 

[beastintheeast]

There wasn’t a good fit. Simple as that. I think if Boyd had taken the picks only type deal Kingston was supposedly offering would have been the right move. I imagine the table was set by then and Boyd sort of knew the landscape. But, I don’t know all the details of course. Nor do I know the timing.

Do I think there was a deal out there for Pinelli that would have been acceptable? Yes. The issue was that it more came down to a Pinelli vs Romani situation and when OVS was tossed into the deal, it was a better fit than Pinelli with Mayich or Stonehouse for Barrie. Brampton amd Kingston not having their 1st round pick made it that more difficult. It is what it is.

Did Boyd get greedy? Sort of. I think he was looking for the better deal that never materialized. That doesn’t mean he was asking too much. I don’t believe that. Mews was a more valuable trade piece than Pinelli and that trade was bad. Of Boyd was willing to do that deal for Mews, no one can tell me he was over valuing Pinelli.

If you take the best deal that is out there, it may not be great, and you may have to pinch your nose, but anything is better than nothing. In the case of Mews I think he had Boyd by the short and curlies with no wayout other than take what he could get. Mews will be back in Sudbury next year and possibly traded for more than Sudbury gave us.

 

[dirty12]

There wasn’t a good fit. Simple as that. I think if Boyd had taken the picks only type deal Kingston was supposedly offering would have been the right move. I imagine the table was set by then and Boyd sort of knew the landscape. But, I don’t know all the details of course. Nor do I know the timing.

Do I think there was a deal out there for Pinelli that would have been acceptable? Yes. The issue was that it more came down to a Pinelli vs Romani situation and when OVS was tossed into the deal, it was a better fit than Pinelli with Mayich or Stonehouse for Barrie. Brampton amd Kingston not having their 1st round pick made it that more difficult. It is what it is.

Did Boyd get greedy? Sort of. I think he was looking for the better deal that never materialized. That doesn’t mean he was asking too much. I don’t believe that. Mews was a more valuable trade piece than Pinelli and that trade was bad. Of Boyd was willing to do that deal for Mews, no one can tell me he was over valuing Pinelli.

Do you know the conditions of the (7,8,9)* picks in the Mews trade? Jackson, 2-2s, 2-3s, 5, plus three more middle of draft picks for a half season of Mews seems a pretty good return for the ‘67s to me.

 

[ecraigs]

Once again, discipline remains a major problem. The team is playing short with their leading scorer and Captain sitting out 4 games. So, what happens? Four players pick up 10 minute Misconducts for a nothing altercation. Then, before the halfway point of the game, another team leader gets 5 for Boarding, with likely more to come. This team increasingly looks like March 24 can't come soon enough.

Our entire leadership group, wiped out. Pinelli suspended, Stonehouse traded, Sirman released. Mayich gets a Misconduct, and Gerrior gets thrown out. At least Mayich will be in the lineup on Sunday.

 

[OMG67]

Do you know the conditions of the (7,8,9)* picks in the Mews trade? Jackson, 2-2s, 2-3s, 5, plus three more middle of draft picks for a half season of Mews seems a pretty good return for the ‘67s to me.

If Parekh had been traded for the same package, the people in Saginaw would have been up in arms. My assumption when I saw the trade was that Ottawa gets the 7-8-9 but if Mews returns next season we’d get 2-3-4 but I have not confirmed that. But, even so, Mews at the deadline next year will go for more than that entire package this year. I still feel that Mews going to Michigan and not signing with Calgary in the summer seems like crazy talk. i will believe it when I see it but until that time, I don’t believe it at all. I honestly cannot see Mews turning down an ELC to play in Michigan for a season.

 

[dirty12]

If Parekh had been traded for the same package, the people in Saginaw would have been up in arms. My assumption when I saw the trade was that Ottawa gets the 7-8-9 but if Mews returns next season we’d get 2-3-4 but I have not confirmed that. But, even so, Mews at the deadline next year will go for more than that entire package this year. I still feel that Mews going to Michigan and not signing with Calgary in the summer seems like crazy talk. i will believe it when I see it but until that time, I don’t believe it at all. I honestly cannot see Mews turning down an ELC to play in Michigan for a season.

I’m sure Mews will most likely take the NHL signing bonus if offered. But like Power, Mews may want the college experience.
There are at least a couple on the Saginaw board that would have been pleased with a top 25 selected D and 8 picks. Parekh is worth a bit more than Mews and not threatening NCAA as far as I know.

 

[OMG67]

I’m sure Mews will most likely take the NHL signing bonus if offered. But like Power, Mews may want the college experience.
There are at least a couple on the Saginaw board that would have been pleased with a top 25 selected D and 8 picks. Parekh is worth a bit more than Mews and not threatening NCAA as far as I know.

As of right now, all we know we have is a prototypical #4 D-Man, two 2nds, two 3rds, and a 5th. We could quibble over whether that is good value or not. But, that value is based solely on Mews not returning next year. For all we know, the 7-8-9 come Ottawa’s way if Mews returns next year. I don’t think that is the case. I think the 7-8-9 already come to Ottawa and those picks are upgraded if Mews returns but we don’t’ know the conditions so it is tough to say what the actual deal is. Without knowing what the real deal is, it is really hard to debate it in any meaningful way.

Both Power and Knies returned to the NCAA for that one extra year in an effort to win a Championship. They didn’t really do it for the experience of playing NCAA. Mews is not connected at all to the NCAA. Him going to Michigan isn’t related to any unfinished business. Power was a late birthdate so he had already played a season with Michigan. IMO, the whole Michigan angle is overblown. I think it was a pressure point to get Boyd to trade him out of Ottawa where he simply doesn’t want to be. I think he harbours resentment for dropping to the 3rd round not wanting to play a structured defensive system that hurt his ability to put up points. I think he is jealous of Parekh playing in a pond hockey system that is mostly wide open and he feels that had he played in that style of system, he’d have racked up same/similar points and would have been a 1st round pick. I believe he feels Dave Cameron and the Ottawa 67’s stole that from him.

This whole situation is personal. Playing with Michigan is not going to improve his sign-ability. The only viable reason for him to sign in Michigan is if he doesn’t want to play for the Flames and wants to reenter the NHL draft and he feels playing for Michigan is better than playing in Ottawa (or the OHL) as a 19 year old. There is a part of me that does feel he will turn down any offer because he feels he is a first round pick calibre player and starring for Michigan next year will get him there and maybe get drafted by a sexier franchise than the Flames. Based on his “me first” kind of attitude, that wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. So, if that is the angle he is playing, I could understand it even if I don’t think it is a very mature approach.

 

[dirty12]

As of right now, all we know we have is a prototypical #4 D-Man, two 2nds, two 3rds, and a 5th. We could quibble over whether that is good value or not. But, that value is based solely on Mews not returning next year. For all we know, the 7-8-9 come Ottawa’s way if Mews returns next year. I don’t think that is the case. I think the 7-8-9 already come to Ottawa and those picks are upgraded if Mews returns but we don’t’ know the conditions so it is tough to say what the actual deal is. Without knowing what the real deal is, it is really hard to debate it in any meaningful way.

Both Power and Knies returned to the NCAA for that one extra year in an effort to win a Championship. They didn’t really do it for the experience of playing NCAA. Mews is not connected at all to the NCAA. Him going to Michigan isn’t related to any unfinished business. Power was a late birthdate so he had already played a season with Michigan. IMO, the whole Michigan angle is overblown. I think it was a pressure point to get Boyd to trade him out of Ottawa where he simply doesn’t want to be. I think he harbours resentment for dropping to the 3rd round not wanting to play a structured defensive system that hurt his ability to put up points. I think he is jealous of Parekh playing in a pond hockey system that is mostly wide open and he feels that had he played in that style of system, he’d have racked up same/similar points and would have been a 1st round pick. I believe he feels Dave Cameron and the Ottawa 67’s stole that from him.

This whole situation is personal. Playing with Michigan is not going to improve his sign-ability. The only viable reason for him to sign in Michigan is if he doesn’t want to play for the Flames and wants to reenter the NHL draft and he feels playing for Michigan is better than playing in Ottawa (or the OHL) as a 19 year old. There is a part of me that does feel he will turn down any offer because he feels he is a first round pick calibre player and starring for Michigan next year will get him there and maybe get drafted by a sexier franchise than the Flames. Based on his “me first” kind of attitude, that wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. So, if that is the angle he is playing, I could understand it even if I don’t think it is a very mature approach.

I don’t know why Mews threatened NCAA. He might believe he needs a greater challenge than the OHL?
It is in print somewhere that Power passed on signing with the sabres because he wanted the college experience. Maybe COVID was the reason Power did not get the college experience in year 1 with Michigan.

 

[OMG67]

I don’t know why Mews threatened NCAA. He might believe he needs a greater challenge than the OHL?
It is in print somewhere that Power passed on signing with the sabres because he wanted the college experience. Maybe COVID was the reason Power did not get the college experience in year 1 with Michigan.

Maybe but even if that is accurate, it was one lone player. Hard to compare one lone player. I’m sure there are others that thought it was better to wait it out and continue to develop but they are few and far between. Plus, they were all in the NCAA already.

Like I said, this Mews thing was mostly posturing. It was a means to force Ottawa’s hands. I don’t understand why a kid like Mews would want to go play 35 games with Michigan. He’d actually have to attend classes for a year needlessly. That team has such a high rate of turnover as well. The top of their roster is a hodge-podge of elite young players. It will be interesting for them next year when they start playing a lot of other schools that are now recruiting 21 year old OA’s with a lot of skill and talent. I assume Michigan will do the same but I am not sure how the balance will be affected overall. Should be some really good hockey though.