Around the League - 2023 Offseason Edition

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Not if Leafs allow it.
Which they will, having already given him permission to interview. What's the point of holding up and making bad blood between the organizations, you might have to deal in the future.
 
What's wrong with that? His boss gets to overrule him and he doesn't have any direct contact to Shannys boss. That seems like a less than ideal work scenario as a NHL GM. I'm sure that Dubas told them if I'm coming back I want more autonomy which is a more than fair demand if you're running a NHL team imo.

You don't make a bunch of demands from your boss after a subpar performance. Multiple ones at that. That's how you get shown the door.

What do you think would happen if you had a disappointing year at work, started talking publicly about how you're not sure that you want to stay with the company, and then the next day asked for more money, and for your boss to give up some of his autonomy and give it to you?

Of course you know what would happen. Dubas knew what would happen too. It's like coming into work and slapping your boss in the face. A boss who had been loyal to him too.
 
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You don't make a bunch of demands from your boss after a subpar performance. Multiple ones at that. That's how you get shown the door.

What do you think would happen if you had a disappointing year at work, started talking publicly about how you're not sure that you want to stay with the company, and then the next day asked for more money, and for your boss to give up some of his autonomy and give it to you?

Of course you know what would happen. Dubas knew what would happen too. It's like coming into work and slapping your boss in the face. A boss who had been loyal to him too.

His boss is the one who said he did a really good job and was willing to give him a 5-year extension like a day before his presser!
 
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His boss is the one who said he did a really good job and was willing to give him a 5-year extension like a day before his presser!

That was before he came in and slapped him in the face in that metaphor.

The fact Dubas asked for him to give up that relationship with management so he could be closer to them, after Shanahan had his back again, makes it even worse.

He gave him the GM job when he had very little experience. He was willing to stick with him after another failed playoff run. And in return Dubas wanted Shanahan to give up part of his role with management? That's audacious af.

He basically wanted to go over Shanahan's head with all his decisions, which he would have known would never fly, and could have led to Shanahan being let go at some point.
 
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I don't want to speculate, but it seems like there is more to the story than what Brendan said. Dubas' silence is speaking volumes.

No matter what happens though, the Leafs are now in damage control mode. Shannahanigans and whatever puppet he selects will need to make priority one to be assuaging everyone's fear that the Maple Leafs all of sudden no longer have a plan.
 
Dubas is a very calculated guy and he's used to getting exactly what he wants.

Which is why he just so happened to ask for more money and autonomy he didn’t earn, which led to him being let go, after which he appears to have immediately lined up a job in Pittsburgh.

He was made scout of the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds at 22 years old because his dad had worked for them, and his grandfather coached them. Then he was made their GM at 26.

How could he have possibly proven himself enough as a scout from 22-25 years old to be promoted to GM, when the Greyhounds missed the playoffs and lost in the first round the other three years during that time?

Then as GM of the Greyhounds, he missed the playoffs his first year, then lost in the first round, then lost in the second round, then somehow got hired as the assistant GM of the frigging Toronto Maple Leafs at 29 years old. Then at just 33 they let go of Lou Lamoriello and named him GM of the storied Maple Leafs.

He had high draft picks fall in his lap while he was AGM in Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, that he inherited as GM. His job was to build around them, which he has failed at with 1 win past the first round of the playoffs in 5 years, despite having the kind of team, assets, and resources any GM would kill for.

I have no idea why everyone thinks he's some sort of genius. The only thing he's accomplished is winning an AHL championship, which is a franchise achievement, and was lead by Andreas Johansson, a Maple Leaf draft pick before he even got there.

Very similar to Chayka, the guy has alwasy had one of the biggest hype machines known to hockey behind him.
 
Dubas is a very calculated guy and he's used to getting exactly what he wants.

Which is why he just so happened to ask for more money and autonomy he didn’t earn, which led to him being let go, after which he appears to have immediately lined up a job in Pittsburgh.

He was made scout of the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds at 22 years old because his dad had worked for them, and his grandfather coached them. Then he was made their GM at 26.

How could he have possibly proven himself enough as a scout from 22-25 years old to be promoted to GM, when the Greyhounds missed the playoffs and lost in the first round the other three years during that time?

Then as GM of the Greyhounds, he missed the playoffs his first year, then lost in the first round, then lost in the second round, then somehow got hired as the assistant GM of the frigging Toronto Maple Leafs at 29 years old. Then at just 33 they let go of Lou Lamoriello and named him GM of the storied Maple Leafs.

He had high draft picks fall in his lap while he was AGM in Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, that he inherited as GM. His job was to build around them, which he has failed at with 1 win past the first round of the playoffs in 5 years, despite having the kind of team, assets, and resources any GM would kill for.

I have no idea why everyone thinks he's some sort of genius. The only thing he's accomplished is winning an AHL championship, which is a franchise achievement, and was lead by Andreas Johansson, a Maple Leaf draft pick before he even got there.

Very similar to Chayka, the guy has alwasy had one of the biggest hype machines known to hockey behind him.
Dubas knows how to crunch numbers and run a team though. Shanahan not
 
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You don't make a bunch of demands from your boss after a subpar performance. Multiple ones at that. That's how you get shown the door.

What do you think would happen if you had a disappointing year at work, started talking publicly about how you're not sure that you want to stay with the company, and then the next day asked for more money, and for your boss to give up some of his autonomy and give it to you?

Of course you know what would happen. Dubas knew what would happen too. It's like coming into work and slapping your boss in the face. A boss who had been loyal to him too.
What if he didn’t want to stay? And said if you’re going to offer me a contract to stay is what it will take. I don’t really think there’s anything wrong with that.
 
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From what I understand, he basically asked for a raise (which wasn't the real issue) and wanted the full ability to be a GM. He didn't want to be interfered with. A reasonable request for a top GM candidate to make. You can argue all you want about whether or not he's a top candidate, but the fact I wouldn't respect a GM that didn't want to be the final say.
 
What if he didn’t want to stay? And said if you’re going to offer me a contract to stay is what it will take. I don’t really think there’s anything wrong with that.

That's what I think happened. But I don't really think the asks were serious asks. I think they were probably designed to expedite the departure.

If that's what happened than I guess it's up to your POV how you view it. Personally I'm not a big fan of deception. It just shifted the blame to Shanahan which I think is what he wanted.

From what I understand, he basically asked for a raise (which wasn't the real issue) and wanted the full ability to be a GM. He didn't want to be interfered with. A reasonable request for a top GM candidate to make. You can argue all you want about whether or not he's a top candidate, but the fact I wouldn't respect a GM that didn't want to be the final say.

That was the deal he agreed to when he came on board. And it's the same deal most teams have, just with less bureaucracy.

It's also more than that. He basically wanted a direct line to the suits, which meant cutting out his boss.

Which meant they might start to wonder why they were paying Shanahan. It wasn't a realistic ask and he knew it.
 
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That's what I think happened. But I don't really think the asks were serious asks. I think they were probably designed to expedite the departure.

If that's what happened than I guess it's up to your POV how you view it. Personally I'm not a big fan of deception. It just shifted the blame to Shanahan which I think is what he wanted.



That was the deal he agreed to when he came on board. And it's the same deal most teams have, just with less bureaucracy.

It's also more than that. He basically wanted a direct line to the suits, which meant cutting out his boss.

Which meant they might start to wonder why they were paying Shanahan. It wasn't a realistic ask and he knew it.
Why are they paying Shanahan? What does he even do?
 
Dubas is a very calculated guy and he's used to getting exactly what he wants.

Which is why he just so happened to ask for more money and autonomy he didn’t earn, which led to him being let go, after which he appears to have immediately lined up a job in Pittsburgh.

He was made scout of the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds at 22 years old because his dad had worked for them, and his grandfather coached them. Then he was made their GM at 26.

How could he have possibly proven himself enough as a scout from 22-25 years old to be promoted to GM, when the Greyhounds missed the playoffs and lost in the first round the other three years during that time?

Then as GM of the Greyhounds, he missed the playoffs his first year, then lost in the first round, then lost in the second round, then somehow got hired as the assistant GM of the frigging Toronto Maple Leafs at 29 years old. Then at just 33 they let go of Lou Lamoriello and named him GM of the storied Maple Leafs.

He had high draft picks fall in his lap while he was AGM in Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, that he inherited as GM. His job was to build around them, which he has failed at with 1 win past the first round of the playoffs in 5 years, despite having the kind of team, assets, and resources any GM would kill for.

I have no idea why everyone thinks he's some sort of genius. The only thing he's accomplished is winning an AHL championship, which is a franchise achievement, and was lead by Andreas Johansson, a Maple Leaf draft pick before he even got there.

Very similar to Chayka, the guy has alwasy had one of the biggest hype machines known to hockey behind him.
He's a genius for having all of that happen to him. Probably not a genius at the GMing thing though. :laugh:
 
Crazy rule suggestion incoming....

After the final game of the NHL regular season, every team that did not make the playoffs is allowed to make one additional trade to a team that did make the playoffs. Every team is allowed to make only one trade. So a playoff bound team can't get two players and a non-playoff team can't trade more than one player.

Here's the catch though....the player has to be under contract for the next season and is only loaned for the playoffs and will return to their normal team after the playoffs end. Therefore you can't ditch a UFA at the last second, you should have taken care of business at the trade deadline. Now there has to be some incentive for the player to agree to this, so players traded for the playoffs, will actually get paid their normal salary during the playoffs and the team that acquired them is on the hook for it, but it doesn't count against the salary cap because the NHL doesn't have one for the playoffs.

The purpose is twofold.
1. Gives playoffs bound teams one last chance to obtain a player for the playoffs.
2. Gives a team the opportunity to send a kid to get experience in the playoffs as well as recoup an asset.

Thoughts?
 
Crazy rule suggestion incoming....

After the final game of the NHL regular season, every team that did not make the playoffs is allowed to make one additional trade to a team that did make the playoffs. Every team is allowed to make only one trade. So a playoff bound team can't get two players and a non-playoff team can't trade more than one player.

Here's the catch though....the player has to be under contract for the next season and is only loaned for the playoffs and will return to their normal team after the playoffs end. Therefore you can't ditch a UFA at the last second, you should have taken care of business at the trade deadline. Now there has to be some incentive for the player to agree to this, so players traded for the playoffs, will actually get paid their normal salary during the playoffs and the team that acquired them is on the hook for it, but it doesn't count against the salary cap because the NHL doesn't have one for the playoffs.

The purpose is twofold.
1. Gives playoffs bound teams one last chance to obtain a player for the playoffs.
2. Gives a team the opportunity to send a kid to get experience in the playoffs as well as recoup an asset.

Thoughts?
There is no salary in the playoffs.
 
Crazy rule suggestion incoming....

After the final game of the NHL regular season, every team that did not make the playoffs is allowed to make one additional trade to a team that did make the playoffs. Every team is allowed to make only one trade. So a playoff bound team can't get two players and a non-playoff team can't trade more than one player.

Here's the catch though....the player has to be under contract for the next season and is only loaned for the playoffs and will return to their normal team after the playoffs end. Therefore you can't ditch a UFA at the last second, you should have taken care of business at the trade deadline. Now there has to be some incentive for the player to agree to this, so players traded for the playoffs, will actually get paid their normal salary during the playoffs and the team that acquired them is on the hook for it, but it doesn't count against the salary cap because the NHL doesn't have one for the playoffs.

The purpose is twofold.
1. Gives playoffs bound teams one last chance to obtain a player for the playoffs.
2. Gives a team the opportunity to send a kid to get experience in the playoffs as well as recoup an asset.

Thoughts?
I like the outside of the box thinking. But, it would never happen due to injury risks while playing for the playoff teams
 
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