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The same reason why, in that same draft, they passed on a guaranteed bottom-6 C in Lundestrom and went with a WJC passenger with a heart problem instead.
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The same reason why, in that same draft, they passed on a guaranteed bottom-6 C in Lundestrom and went with a WJC passenger with a heart problem instead.
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He's not wrong. It completely distracts from the cheap shot Dillon gave Kaprizov knocking him out for the next 1-2 weeks.
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Even Dater's never been this embarrassing.
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Sure. And obviously thats not great that Dillon injured Kap, but I think theres a very obvious reason that Hartmans getting more attention. And rightfully so.
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I don't like what Hartman did, but I do understand it.
Take cheap shots on our stars and we'll return the favour.
henchman21
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It has been this way forever too...
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I was watching Jamal Mayers argue with Jennifer Botterill over this.
She kept calling it archaic and lunacy that Hartman did what he did. She was in disgust and shocked.
Mayers just looked at her like she is crazy and said if you want to take cheap shots on stars, you better tell your stars to watch their backs because retaliation is coming - legal or not.
If the Jets and Perfetti have such a problem with what Hartman did, perhaps someone can teach Brendan Dillon how to defend instead of crosschecking dudes in the ribs.
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It is the age old let the players police the game thing... and yeah it is archaic, but that is just the way hockey is and always has been. If there is a path where players don't have to police the game themselves and it doesn't result in 30 minutes of power play time.... I'm all ears. But until that path is in place and progress is being made, these things are going to happen. If you take out Makar with a flying elbow in a playoff series... well, your stars better watch themselves because retribution is coming. Correct or not, good or not, morally right or not... is all pretty irrelevant because it is happening. And even the fans want it... just look at the calls for Kolesar's head around here.
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She was certainly disgusted with what Hartman did but IMO she was most shocked and heated with the fact that Mayers was OK with the way Hartman executed the retribution and especially who he targeted. If you watch the clip Consentino argued that he agreed that retribution was needed but he would have preferred a different type of retribution and not a kid as a target and she hardly argued with him concentrating on Mayers.
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But why does it matter if it was Perfetti? Just because he is young she seemed to have a problem with it, which is weird. He is in the NHL, he is one of Winnipeg's most skilled forwards. He is a target for Hartman and the Wild.
To me, the fact that she was more than ok with the cross check but didn't understand the retribution was very strange. The retaliation doesn't happen if Dillon doesn't go after Kaprizov.
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The Wild aren't doing shit this season, with or without Kaprizov. Russo is just looking for excuses and a way to deflect from the mountain of evidence that Hartman has a screw loose.
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I don't think Perfetti's age should really have anything to do with it. It isn't like he's 18... he's 22. That would be like saying Brady Tkachuk was off limits 2 years ago because he was the same age... despite him earning every piece of shit he has to eat.
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FTR I also don't think age should matter with retribution but just like her I didn't like the way he did it.
My comment was more about what she was most shocked about. I didn't get the feeling listening to her she had problems with retribution in the NHL or that she was OK with Dillon's crosscheck as well. I just took her comments as she had issues with targeting the face intentionally and Mayers agreeing with that type of retribution, and also having issues with targeting a kid that had nothing to do with the Kaprizov incident. I agree with her on the former but disagree with her on the latter.
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That's the thing about deterrence. Having a guy who can beat someone senseless isn't deterrence. Now, convincing the other team you have a guy who absolutely will destroy your star player if you cross a line, that is deterrence.
As much as I may have a soft-spot for KMac, he's not really deterrence, he isn't the type to fight a smaller guy and I've not seen him target anyone successfully with a check to this day. Now Steve Downie on the other hand... he was capable of deterrence. An absolute mad-man, and everyone knew it.
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And that's where a lot of higher ups get it wrong and even the NHL gets it wrong.
Keep fighting in the game, take it out of the game, it doesn't matter. It's not going to make a difference.
Start actually penalizing dirty plays and suspending those plays accordingly and you're going to have a LOT less guys willing to cross the line - especially as it starts costing them money.
Unfortunately, DoPS is not interested in that. The supposed "crackdown" on crosschecking from two years ago is gone.
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Avs broke poor Varly again. He should never go to Denver again, even as a back up if he’s not playing
But it's not deterrence, because "deterrence" is a myth, at least when it comes to players "policing" themselves. You really think the Jets "learned their lesson" with Hartman's gesture and subsequent explanation? I promise you they didn't, they'll simply come back even harder the next time they square off. "Deterrents" don't deter violence. They escalate it. Not only are they horrid at their jobs, they rely on the very notion of doing the exact opposite to perpetuate that myth and stay employed. How many teams has Ryan Reaves told that he's the solution to their Tom Wilson problem, when he very obviously wasn't?
Same goes with Downie, he didn't deter shit, he was a helmet-kicking shit-disturber in the same vein as Radko Gudas, and he's since been pretty outspoken about how wrong he and meathead hockey culture are.
There is one and ONLY one deterrent in sports. Suspensions. That's it. The NBA doesn't have a violence problem. Why? Because when something bad happens they bring the hammer down. HARD. Carmelo was involved in a scrap and IIRC got 10 games. He never did it again. But hockey still thinks they need the extracurriculars to sell the game to Neanderthals who still think the game would be better if it were played without helmets.
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DoPS, NHL, and NHLPA don’t want it. No parties are really interested in fixing it or what it would take to fix it.
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