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I mean they haven’t been great but they’re also like 6-8 games behind a bunch of teams.
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It's frankly ridiculous. Ottawa has played 22 games, and Columbus (who is 1 point above them) has played 30! How does that type of separation between the number of games played happen? Yes, Ottawa was in Sweden but so were 3 other teams with 27, 26 and 25 games played.
CBA mandated week off also impacts it greatly and is really the biggest difference.
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There is a difference. Stone played a part of that season so they could time the surgery and recovery to line up with the start of the playoffs. Even then there were reports IIRC that Stone was OK to come back before the end of the season but they dragged in on until the 1st day of playoffs and suddenly he was fine.
Landy on the other end tried to come back for the playoffs but couldn't and got the surgery. The recovery time in his case is 12-18 months which puts him coming back in May at the earliest so him coming back for the 1st day of the playoffs would be unexpected (10.5 - 11 months recovery).
In the end it is not a big deal as many teams try to take advantage of that rule but IMO the Avs' situation is less "suspect" if I can use that term.
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Landy also went on LTIR before the cup run. Only difference is we didn’t use the LTIR like Vegas did. Stone went on LTIR and had back surgery both times. It’s only a big deal because it’s Vegas.
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Landy going on LTIR has no bearing in this conversation as we didn't use LTIR so obviously he was truly hurt.
Stone having surgery both times is also not the issue. The issue is the timing but like I said other teams are doing it also.
I would say the same thing even if it wasn't Vegas............but f*&k Vegas.
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Landy tried and couldn’t and got surgery which is no big deal. But Stone tried to start the year and got surgery and it is a big deal?
It’s not a big deal because what they’re doing is within the rules of the league. The Avs are literally doing the same thing with Landy right now. Theres a chance he comes back for the playoffs just like Kuch and Stone did, and I’m sure no one here is going to complain about it.
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The issue is he basically said he could have played through the injury just like he did before, just like countless NHLers do, and just like Stone probably could have with his back, because he did it his whole career.
Vegas just needed extra cap space, and the Tootoo situation shows the NHL doesn't really have a high standard of proof for LTIR.
When was Stone's career in doubt after a rare surgery? Avs didn't even put Landy on LTIR for most of last year. Colorado does NOT approach LTIR the way other teams do. In fact, fans have been hoping they would, but they won't.
If people think taking advantage of the LTIR loophole is ok because the NHL lets them do it, and other teams do it too, that's one thing. But they're clearing taking advantage of it, while the Avs aren't.
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Holy Ottawa hasn't even had the 5 day break yet?
That schedule is going to be a nightmare moving forward. 60 games to play in 129 days. They will be playing almost every 2nd day from here onward.
That schedule is going to be a nightmare moving forward. 60 games to play in 129 days. They will be playing almost every 2nd day from here onward.
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Landy tried and couldn't even play one game. Stone played for a while during that season and then had surgery. The surgery was timed so the recovery would coincide with the playoffs. How is that the same thing?
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If they did why wouldn't they do the surgery in April instead of May so he has a better chance to play on day one of the playoffs? According to the recovery timing he is planned to come back only for round 2 or even round 3..
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Even if they did, he might not even play again... or he might be half the player he used to be
We don’t know the timeline at this point. The wording on this has been very specific to say regular season. That wasn’t on accident.
Yeah we don’t know… but they have simply stated things specifically and are using LTIR to run this roster. Without it, they wouldn’t have a few guys. Then the plan is clearly for him to come back for the playoffs.
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Of course the Avs didn't time Landy's surgery.
He tried all last season to come back and play. They announced he wouldn't play in the playoffs on April 13. He had surgery on May 10th.
And they still don't know for sure if he'll be back in time for the playoffs.
He tried all last season to come back and play. They announced he wouldn't play in the playoffs on April 13. He had surgery on May 10th.
And they still don't know for sure if he'll be back in time for the playoffs.
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Agree with that. I even agreed with that during the summer.
They did it then because if they had any chance of him coming back in the playoffs they had to get on with it. However if they truly wanted to time it they would have done it in April to increase the chance to come back for day 1 of the playoffs.
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I'm assuming this is what Toronto did with both Murray and Klingberg this year. Seemed super early to announce for both that they have no chance of returning.
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I mean the plan is clearly to have Landy back in time for playoffs(whether or not thats successful we'll see)? We're using LTIR to fill out the roster like Vegas is. It's not a big deal at all for us or for Vegas?
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Again I am not arguing whether or not the Avs are using LTIR to fill their roster. They obviously are. The argument is about the timing. Vegas' timing was obvious they were aiming for day 1 of the playoffs. The Avs was not timed the same way. If it would have been the surgery would have been early April to maximize the chances of Landy coming back for day 1 of the playoffs. A normal recovery puts in round 2 or 3. That is not timing a surgery.
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The recovery is roughly 10-12 months right? 11 months from may 10 would be in April 10. Which is roughly when playoffs start.
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The recovery was reported at the time to be 12-18 months. IIRC even hench reported that but I might be mistaken on that.
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If Landy tried to come back last season, which we have no reason to doubt, when could he have had surgery earlier?
There was only a month in between when they announced he wouldn't come back and the surgery. Probably to give him the only month in a couple years that he could relax for a bit.
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Again IIRC Landy stated that he used that month to research the surgery and decide if he wanted to go that route or not, so if they wanted to time the surgery the research would have been done by April 13th.
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