GDT: Around the League 2023-24 I : "Wake Up. September Has Ended!"

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Actually its not really that. It has some interesting stuff like skating speeds and time in zones as well as shot location etc. I doubt that in its current form you will see a lot of the wild claims that come from other advanced stats.

I know its not that, but the twitterlytics crowd like Evolving Idiots and their ilk will invent a whole new bunch of bullshit from this site to wow and amaze.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

To lift everyone's spirits .... here's a goalie goal from Saturday.

 

[bellagiobob]

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Home

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics, including skating speed, skating distance, shot speed, shot and save location, and zone time for National Hockey League players and teams.

edge.nhl.com

NHL launching it's advanced stat/puck tracking website.

Would have preferred they just fix their main site so that it's functional, but that's too much to ask from a league that thinks it's a good idea to have nearly every team play on the same three days each week.

 

[nexttothemoon]

What's with this goofy NHL schedule...

2 games
15 games
2 games
1 game
16 games
1 game

Who the hell makes a league schedule like that and what reasoning do they have to make it so you basically are either drinking from a firehose... or it's famine on many other nights.

I guess they have their reasons but it looks like dumb scheduling from my pov.

 

[bellagiobob]

What's with this goofy NHL schedule...

2 games
15 games
2 games
1 game
16 games
1 game

Who the hell makes a league schedule like that and what reasoning do they have to make it so you basically are either drinking from a firehose... or it's famine on many other nights.

I guess they have their reasons but it looks like dumb scheduling from my pov.

I'm sure we will hear that Gary did another 'survey', and 100% of fans wanted this. Just like how we all love the animated cars racing around the boards.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

here’s captain hindsight again

I mean, yes... But Oilers drafting especially post-McDavid has been extremely bad. We wouldn't have to keep plugging holes with expensive UFAs if we could draft worth a damn.

 

[TheNumber4]

huh? how do you know Tre would've passed on Jesse?

Cause Jarmo and Tre were trying to work Chia over to trade up for Pool. Watch the draft.

 

[frag2]

I think Laine was gone before the Oilers took Puls but yes some pretty brutal drafting.

I thought Holloway might be a shooting star but so far that's nowhere near the case.

X-man could be a very good one so here's hoping.

Of note-Kadri has 1 point in 5 games with the Flames this season--monster contract too.

Stauffer had called Holloway a faster Reasoner before going 180 once Holland drafted him. That’s a pretty accurate description so far

 

[K1984]

Does anyone know why the start times for the games tomorrow are all way out there weird?

A bunch of games start at 4-4:30 MST and the last game starts at 9MST. A bunch of start times seem to be completely random (Rangers @ Flames at 7:45?).

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

 

[McDNicks17]

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Home

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics, including skating speed, skating distance, shot speed, shot and save location, and zone time for National Hockey League players and teams.

edge.nhl.com

NHL launching it's advanced stat/puck tracking website.

Pretty cool.

Ceci with the hardest shot for the Oilers so far at 97.54 mph. Not bad.

 

[McDNicks17]

Oilers shooting percentage by shot location. I wonder how much of that is Draisaitl haha.

edit: Turns out Drai has a 66% shooting percentage from there.

 

[MoontoScott]

Stauffer had called Holloway a faster Reasoner before going 180 once Holland drafted him. That’s a pretty accurate description so far

I fear that might be the case although to be fair Holloway has had some bad luck with injuries.

I thought the Oilers might have taken Dawson Mercer in that 2020 draft and when you see his success with the Devils last year its obvious that a guy like Holland has a long way to go before he scores 27 in a season. Sure, it's hindsight and judging 18 year olds isn't easy but it always seems to be something doesn't it? Sooner or later you hope that the Oilers can draft a forward outside the top 15 who can be a real contributor. It's tough but not that tough.

Didn't the Wings take Larkin at #16 or something close to that in his draft year? Drai went #3 that year which of course is a home run but it would be nice to hit a single or double batting in the later spots.

 

[Mr Positive]

Stauffer had called Holloway a faster Reasoner before going 180 once Holland drafted him. That’s a pretty accurate description so far

That's funny because didn't MacT said that Reasoner would be like Sakic if he had better skating?

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I fear that might be the case although to be fair Holloway has had some bad luck with injuries.

I thought the Oilers might have taken Dawson Mercer in that 2020 draft and when you see his success with the Devils last year its obvious that a guy like Holland has a long way to go before he scores 27 in a season. Sure, it's hindsight and judging 18 year olds isn't easy but it always seems to be something doesn't it? Sooner or later you hope that the Oilers can draft a forward outside the top 15 who can be a real contributor. It's tough but not that tough.

Didn't the Wings take Larkin at #16 or something close to that in his draft year? Drai went #3 that year which of course is a home run but it would be nice to hit a single or double batting in the later spots.

Lots of people wanted Mercer.

Holloway was supposed to be the safe pick, and for all we know he has a long career as a middle 6 player.

Personally I’m starting to think the attempts at “safe picks” around the league aren’t really working out. Just pick those guys later. I recall Gudbranson getting picked at like 3rd overall because he was considered a safe pick. Absolute waste of a top pick.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I do agree with @TheNumber4 in some sense though about Jarmo. When Jarmo passed on the next highest ranked Finnish player (and if I recall, they needed a scoring winger with size at the time) but took PLD instead, that should have been a red flag. But not much time to reassess your draft plans when you're the next team up on the board. The pick should have always been Tkachuk if he was there but that's Oilers scouting for you. Blinded by light reflecting off the shiny new object that had a great WJC tournament.

Way too much stock is put into that tournament in my opinion.

Easy conspiracy stuff. Reality is Kekelainen opted for a big, physical centreman who was a significant draft riser. A central tenant of rebuilding organizations is to build your team down the middle. During the draft broadcast they allude to Dubois stock climbing noting his switch to centre from wing and physically putting on 40 pounds during his junior career to that point.

Teams also build their draft list over the course of a season which informs their selections not scrambling if/when the player they might want is taken. It's move on to the next on your list.

It has been well documented the belief that Edmonton had a deal in place with Montreal if Dubois was available, as anticipated, at their pick. Oil were targeting defenseman Sergachev who was playing in Windsor under ex-Oiler staffer Rocky Thompson. So perhaps the Oilers had targeted the right player, Sergachev, but changed direction when Puljujarvi dropped and Dubois was off the board so the Montreal deal was DOA. Do agree about Tkachuk. I saw him at the Memorial Cup playing on one leg due to injury and drooled about the thought of him playing alongside McDavid. But also watched the draft to see the Canuckles opt for an over-hyped Knights defenseman leaving the Turtle to fall to Calgary. I knew this would be a problem.

The whole hockey world missed on Puljujarvi. Taking the narrative of nationality out of the equation, C-Bus opted for size, skill and big upside to build around a prospective franchise centre. If Puljujarvi doesn't fall, the Oilers likely have a big, skilled #2 d-man.

This isn't a defense of Oilers amateur scouting. I attribute this ineptitude as the overwhelming biggest reason for this team's decade of darkness.

 

[McShogun99]

True but Tkachuk would have been nice. Unfortunately Chia got tricked by Jarmo/Treliving that if he “fell” to Chia it would be an amazing add.

There wasn’t a GM in the league that was picking anyone other than JP at #4.

 

[Fourier]

Oilers shooting percentage by shot location. I wonder how much of that is Draisaitl haha.

edit: Turns out Drai has a 66% shooting percentage from there.

That is a ridiculous number. But I remember seeing him start setting up there in the warm-ups a number of years ago before it became his thing. He'd take feeds from McDavid after the others left the ice and just crush the puck from this insane angle. I give him real credit for reinventing his game to fit with McDavid in a secondary role.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Easy conspiracy stuff. Reality is Kekelainen opted for a big, physical centreman who was a significant draft riser. A central tenant of rebuilding organizations is to build your team down the middle. During the draft broadcast they allude to Dubois stock climbing noting his switch to centre from wing and physically putting on 40 pounds during his junior career to that point.

Teams also build their draft list over the course of a season which informs their selections not scrambling if/when the player they might want is taken. It's move on to the next on your list.

It has been well documented the belief that Edmonton had a deal in place with Montreal if Dubois was available, as anticipated, at their pick. Oil were targeting defenseman Sergachev who was playing in Windsor under ex-Oiler staffer Rocky Thompson. So perhaps the Oilers had targeted the right player, Sergachev, but changed direction when Puljujarvi dropped and Dubois was off the board so the Montreal deal was DOA. Do agree about Tkachuk. I saw him at the Memorial Cup playing on one leg due to injury and drooled about the thought of him playing alongside McDavid. But also watched the draft to see the Canuckles opt for an over-hyped Knights defenseman leaving the Turtle to fall to Calgary. I knew this would be a problem.

The whole hockey world missed on Puljujarvi. Taking the narrative of nationality out of the equation, C-Bus opted for size, skill and big upside to build around a prospective franchise centre. If Puljujarvi doesn't fall, the Oilers likely have a big, skilled #2 d-man.

This isn't a defense of Oilers amateur scouting. I attribute this ineptitude as the overwhelming biggest reason for this team's decade of darkness.

Guilty as charged. I do love a good conspiracy theory.

From what I recall from that time and there's plenty of articles out there to vet it, the vast majority of the hockey world had Puljujarvi at three and even Bob McKenzie was surprised they took PLD in that spot. In the breakdown while PLD is doing the handshake line on his way to the stage, it's said most scouts had him as a winger more than a center at the pro level, even though he played both. So I don't know if the Jackets wanted a versatile forward (go to 1:15 to skip to the announcement) or what. Either way, both picks wound up being a flop for both franchises.



Chiarelli should have just stick with the plan in getting Sergachev or Tkachuk. Could have used either one, even if Tkachuk wound up wanting out of Edmonton in the end, as he did to Calgary. Just another bumbling mistake by Chiarelli along the way.

 

[TheNumber4]

There wasn’t a GM in the league that was picking anyone other than JP at #4.

And we know this how?

 

[bellagiobob]

Does anyone know why the start times for the games tomorrow are all way out there weird?

A bunch of games start at 4-4:30 MST and the last game starts at 9MST. A bunch of start times seem to be completely random (Rangers @ Flames at 7:45?).

League’s version of Frozen Frenzy, where all teams play and they are doing a Red Zone type of thing on US TV, so staggering the games a bit to maximize that.

 

[BlackDogg]

League’s version of Frozen Frenzy, where all teams play and they are doing a Red Zone type of thing on US TV, so staggering the games a bit to maximize that.

Hence one game tonight.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Guilty as charged. I do love a good conspiracy theory.

From what I recall from that time and there's plenty of articles out there to vet it, the vast majority of the hockey world had Puljujarvi at three and even Bob McKenzie was surprised they took PLD in that spot. In the breakdown while PLD is doing the handshake line on his way to the stage, it's said most scouts had him as a winger more than a center at the pro level, even though he played both. So I don't know if the Jackets wanted a versatile forward (go to 1:15 to skip to the announcement) or what. Either way, both picks wound up being a flop for both franchises.



Chiarelli should have just stick with the plan in getting Sergachev or Tkachuk. Could have used either one, even if Tkachuk wound up wanting out of Edmonton in the end, as he did to Calgary. Just another bumbling mistake by Chiarelli along the way.

Kekelainen had a clear vision that Dubois projected as a top centre and spoke to this projection on the draft floor:

It played out that way immediately with Dubois' pro career. He turned out to be the right pick. Unfortunately for C-Bus he didn't see himself as a lifetime BJer yet in dealing him Kekelainen netted a high end sniping winger and second depth centreman. I'll take that return any day.

Unfortunately Puljujarvi fell and Chiarelli jumped on what the hockey world was pretty confident was a rare plus sized human with high offensive skill and projection to be an elite NHL forward. Unfortunately drafting teenagers, so much of the projection cannot account for the mental side of becoming an NHL player, grit, determination, resiliency, and ability to process the game. Puljujarvi's flaws revealed themselves trying to jump as an immature teenager without the necessary attributes and coping tools to weather significant adversity.

 

[McShogun99]

And we know this how?

Consensus top 3 pick, ranked #1 after the world jrs, big and skilled. It would be like Matthews or Laine dropping to #4 because a GM went off the board with the 3rd pick. Easy to look at it today and say other GMs would have taken Tkachuck or Sergachev with that pick but back in 2016 every scouting agency had JP in the top 3.

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers passed on the following

Barzal to get Griffin Reinhart instead
Tkachuk to take Jesse Puljujarvi
DeBrincat to take Tyler Benson even though DeBrincat was McDavid's winger
Zegras to take Broberg instead

You can get some of these wrong, but if you flop on all of them, it's just an anchor on your franchise.

If Jarmo was willing to do his home work and see Puljujarvi was overrated, one should ask why the Oilers didn't do the same.

And that's the frustrating thing too, like fine "well every scouting agency had Puljujarvi at 3" ... OK fine, but every scouting agency also had Barzal in the top 10-12, DeBrincat and Zegras also probably above where they were taken and we didn't listen to them then.