Around the League 2022-23 season

[Statto]

Yeah it’s pretty gross. It was reported years ago actually with the largest sums of cash going to the NFL with their jets flying over stadiums, and brainwashing impressionable teenagers. Even John McCain called it “paid patriotism”. So the next time the announcers talk about how much the military means to them or how much they appreciate everything, you’ll know it’s all bought and paid for.

It’s propaganda. It’s socially acceptable propaganda (which is why people object to the term) in the US and it’s not as pointed as it is in China and Russia, its more subtle but that’s what it is. The same as daily ‘pledging the allegiance’, it’s designed to keep everyone on the same page. Don’t get me wrong I think the UK would benefit from a lot more national pride and at times I envy those traits in the US. However the military stuff at games when it’s so pointed how poorly vets on hard times are treated just iritates the hell out of me. The whole celebration of the military is very conditional. Paid for or not, you can’t say military support is ok, but LGBTQ+ isn’t, if your objections are based on the principle of supporting a cause. Imagine the shit show it a player said ‘I’m not wearing the camoflage jersey or the hockey fights cancer one‘.

BTW, no issue with the principle that he doesn’t have to wear the jersey, it’s his right. However I have the right to judge him for it, as well as any religion that has an issue with it also.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Don’t waste your time.

I’m just curious if this is the end of his NHL career? What team wants to deal with that kind of publicity? Maybe in a season everybody will forget about it, but that seems like a reach.

Ship him back to the KHL where his kind is accepted.

Did he commit some crime? Do you want to act like owners in the NFL who may have gone so far as to blacklist Kaepernick over the kneeling thing?

And ship him back? First, that kind of language has historically problematic written all over it. And if this dude wasn't who he is, but from, say, a non-northern hemisphere country, and they did something similar, would you say they need to go back to where they came from, where those beliefs are a little more tolerated?

 

[Schmooley]

Why is being gay considered political by so many? The gay men in my family liked other men before they were old enough to vote.
Its not a political statement to be born liking the same sex as you.
The NHL is obviously pandering and I can see how some find it annoying but maybe it will allow gay players to be who they are and just focus on the game.
All these issues being talked about are not the same. You dont choose to be gay or black. You come into the world and people treat you worse from the get go.
Post vietnam you choose to be a soldier, choose to be a cop, etc.

 

[Cook24]

I will refrain from posting my opinion so people who don’t know what the word bigotry means won’t call me a bigot…

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Imagine trying to be tolerable of others (BLM, Pride, any other social activism you can think of) by not being tolerable of those whose view point differs from yours....

 

[Schmooley]

Imagine trying to be tolerable of others (BLM, Pride, any other social activism you can think of) by not being tolerable of those whose view point differs from yours....

This is where things get dicey really. I dont love Provorovs decision but I accept his choice.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

This is where things get dicey really. I dont love Provorovs decision but I accept his choice.

I suppose.....I guess this is where a ton of people lose their shit in today's society, so busy caring about what others do, say, think, that they give no thought to themselves,

As far as the actual event that happened, none of my business, I don't care, wear it, don't wear it, burn it, praise it, it doesn't affect a single goddamn thing in this world, except for people who let it affect them......does anyone thing Philly (the city) is going to be affected because Provorov didn't wear a jersey in a warmup? Really? Or that gay people are going to be offended...by someone not supporting them as if it's the first time thats happened?

I think people put too much stock in that type of crap.....that's all.,

 

[Bandit]

Why is being gay considered political by so many?

Because plenty of politicians and the people who support them are still trying to legislate being gay out of existence.

This thread... holy shit. I wish I could say I'm surprised by the responses and the people making them.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Because plenty of politicians and the people who support them are still trying to legislate being gay out of existence.

This thread... holy shit. I wish I could say I'm surprised by the responses and the people making them.

Guess those on the other point of view could say the same??

Like I said, imagine trying to show your tolerance....by being intolerant....

 

[YP44]

Don't see how LA trades for Provorov now. Especially if they see a future with JAD

 

[YP44]

This is where things get dicey really. I dont love Provorovs decision but I accept his choice.

I agree, such an odd juxtaposition
I also maybe need to understand his religion a bit more as on the surface it feels like a cop out. He had to wear a jersey for 10 minutes that would then be sold for thousands of dollars. He says he respects people well then respect the fight for equality those rainbow colours represent. I would think wearing that jersey would mean different things to different individuals, and it does not need to mean a lot to him. He has made this a political issue, when if he would have just shut up and sucked it up for 10 minutes it would not have been.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I agree, such an odd juxtaposition
I also maybe need to understand his religion a bit more as on the surface it feels like a cop out. He had to wear a jersey for 10 minutes that would then be sold for thousands of dollars. He says he respects people well then respect the fight for equality those rainbow colours represent. I would think wearing that jersey would mean different things to different individuals, and it does not need to mean a lot to him. He has made this a political issue, when if he would have just shut up and sucked it up for 10 minutes it would not have been.

But why should he have to? Isn't that what freedom is about? Not being forced to do something you are against?

 

[Schmooley]

Because plenty of politicians and the people who support them are still trying to legislate being gay out of existence.

This thread... holy shit. I wish I could say I'm surprised by the responses and the people making them.

If the people didnt care about homosexuality politicians wouldnt use it though. They know its a hot divisive topic so they love using it.

 

[YP44]

But why should he have to? Isn't that what freedom is about? Not being forced to do something you are against?

this is why i am torn, i agree with that. But also do not see the harm in wearing the jersey for a brief moment, where as I can understand the harm in refusing. It is why I need to understand more of the reasoning behind the refusal before I know which side I am on (or maybe this stays gray). Guessing everyone of us has some aspect of their job they do not like, this seems like a pretty easy thing for him to do.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

this is why i am torn, i agree with that. But also do not see the harm in wearing the jersey for a brief moment, where as I can understand the harm in refusing. It is why I need to understand more of the reasoning behind the refusal before I know which side I am on (or maybe this stays gray). Guessing everyone of us has some aspect of their job they do not like, this seems like a pretty easy thing for him to do.

I understand that....but here's a question....why do we have to be on one side or the other? Why can't we acknowledge both....and then....move on.....

Seems like in todays age, there is a desire or whatever you want to call it....to be on one side of another, instead of just simply understanding both

 

[YP44]

I understand that....but here's a question....why do we have to be on one side or the other? Why can't we acknowledge both....and then....move on.....

Seems like in todays age, there is a desire or whatever you want to call it....to be on one side of another, instead of just simply understanding both

Amen to the first paragraph. The polarization on everything is f***ing embarrassing (kicks trash can)!!

 

[KINGS17]

We literally named our mascot after one of the victims of 9/11, we honor that every single home game lmao shut the f*** up

...and rightfully so. What does one have to do with the other? Nothing.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Amen to the first paragraph. The polarization on everything is f***ing embarrassing (kicks trash can)!!

LOL Texas Size Ten Four, love the Letterkenny refence.....now that I literally live in a town like that lol....

Only polarizing should be..in sports....lol

 

[KINGS17]

So you want Christians to feel more empowered? Please tell me how the United States has marginalized the rights for them.

I've made it clear that if there are injustices going around we should talk about it. It has nothing to do with politics. And I have one sibling married to a Muslim, one married to a Jew. Feel free to raise awareness for how Jewish people (or Muslims) have been oppressed in the US.

That's the point. If there's something where we need to raise awareness or empower those who need it, a sporting event that unifies people in love of a sport is a great opportunity. Promote equality. It's not political unless you align with a political party who believes that not all people should be treated equally.



That's true. You apparently only care about the former two.

What if it was a moment of silence for a school shooting? What if it was a moment of silence for a mass shooting at a gay bar? I just want to know what threshhold society and sports should start giving a shit about other people.

You're right KP, I don't see everything the way you do. That is why I said stop having nights involving the promotion of one viewpoint over another. I am sure you would love a night promoting the 2nd Amendment, right?

A player exercises his right to free speech, and how do many on "your side" react? Ban him for life! Send him back to Russia! Did he break some law? Is he here illegally? What purpose does punishing him serve, if it isn't to silence those who do not agree with you?

...and enough with the raise awareness BS. We are all very aware. If you are gay, go live your life. No one is stopping you. There are no laws agaisnt it. If I want to be aware about a particular subject, I read information on it, seek the viewpoint of people who know the subject from different angles, etc.

I don't go to a hockey game to become "aware".

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You're right KP, I don't see everything the way you do. That is why I said stop having nights involving the promotion of one viewpoint over another. I am sure you would love a night promoting the 2nd Amendment, right?

A player exercises his right to free speech, and how do many on "your side" react? Ban him for life! Send him back to Russia! Did he break some law? Is he here illegally? What purpose does punishing him serve, if it isn't to silence those who do not agree with you?

...and enough with the raise awareness BS. We are all very aware. If you are gay, go live your life. No one is stopping you. There are no laws agaisnt it. If I want to be aware about a particular subject, I read information on it, seek the viewpoint of people who know the subject from different angles, etc.

I don't go to a hockey game to become "aware".

Maybe not, but just as there is nothing wrong with what Provorov did, there is nothing wrong with what Philly decided to do (have the event in the first place) the reactions on both side OVER what transpired...is where people go sideways, or do/say stupid shit.....

I don't know why it's so damn hard to go, oh, they had an event cool, oh, he didn't participate...ok....what's for dinner.....

We don't have to take sides on every single event that's happened or will happen.....

 

[Maynard]

Perhaps to foster an environment where gay players (there will be many) can be open about who they are, as a start.

This is exactly what these homophobes are afraid of. They’re actively fighting against it.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

This is exactly what these homophobes are afraid of. They’re actively fighting against it.

So you are saying that Provorov is actively fighting against it, by not wearing a jersey for warmups??? I mean shit, if that's all it takes to "win" there's not much hope

 

[Maynard]

Why is being gay considered political by so many?

I think it’s because in many parts of the country and the world, politicians are fighting to make laws to to take away their rights. Just the fight for equality. No big deal.

 

[YP44]

So he should've put his religious beliefs aside and wear a money scam jersey supporting something he doesn't believe in? Why the f*** should he have to do that.

He didn't say he hates gay people or the LGBTQBBQ community; he quietly went about his business and people are out with pitchforks because??? He has a different POV than them? How dare they dress him in the game for not going against his religious beliefs!

Yes that is clearly what I said. I said I need to better understand the religious belief before making any decision.
Feels more like you are overly defensive.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

In some way, I appreciate Provorov's commitment to his beliefs. I think I understand what he's saying, "I respect that life but it's not for me," and he's from a culture and religion actively and outspokenly trying to make sure LGBT isn't a thing at all--so his response is pretty moderate in that lens.

But I also appreciate that his freedom to those beliefs will also allow people to speek freely about his gesture.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence, and it seems like some people want to say "good for Provorov" in one breath and "how dare you speak out against him' in another which...you can't have it both ways.

I can imagine that will be a pain in the ass for many of his teammates who are very outspoken allies, like Laughton and (I think?) Hayes. The organization, including his coach, having to answer for him sucks for everyone, and it's a distraction from their message. Provorov is going to get--rightfully so--eviscerated under a different cultural lens here. But if he truly believes in himself, he'll have no problem with the public criticism of those views.

Not everyone has to believe what everyone else believes and I'm fine with that. I actually believe Provorov doesn't intend the harm he's causing. But as a professional athlete, he's under the spotlight whether he likes it or not. This isn't joe schmo average citizen, this is a guy getting compensated millions to be part of an organization with values and when his value's are in conflict with the org's people are going to talk about it, this part should not be offensive.