Around the League 2022-23 season

[kingsfan28]

Edmonton smoked the Kraken(who had been on a great run lately) and they are seeming to round into shape with Kane coming back. The pacific seemed like a pretty bad division going into the season, but things might get pretty tight down the stretch, Kings are at at only 18 RW which became the first tiebreaker and they are behind the Kraken, Knights, Oilers and tied with the Flames. The pacific damn well might send 5 teams this year, which I had not predicted.

5 teams is not out of the question. I think 4 more likely. The Oilers still have the same problems even adding Kane. He may add a few goals but he won't be stopping them. Somehow I think the Avs will get in from the central.

 

[GKJ]

I'll add this in a separate post because I'm seeing stuff on Twitter about it.

A few people are suggesting that Provorov shouldn't be allowed to play because he chose not to wear the jersey. I'm not an advocate of that. I do think his reasoning is misguided at best; I'm more of the opinion he's just flat out homophobic. But I don't think he should be forced to sit; just like I don't think a player should be penalized for kneeling in protest or for advocates of BLM.

Players should be free to voice or act in accordance to what they believe in, even if I fundamentally disagree with what they stand against.

But I'll also shrug if his homophobia gets him an extra punch to the face on the ice. Preferably by a closet homosexual whose equality he refuses to celebrate.

It would almost definitely be a PA issue. What would’ve been perfectly reasonable was him not being able to play if he didn’t warm up, or warm up in a regular jersey. On one hand, it’s an injury risk to play without being properly warmed up - the reasons being what they are. The other, apart from the obvious, should’ve been acceptable if he believed in it strongly enough, and you’re still going to have to answer the questions regardless.

I’ve also floated the idea that part of this is to hasten a trade he’s clearly wanted for a long time, by making a situation too untenable to remain.

 

[crassbonanza]

5 teams is not out of the question. I think 4 more likely. The Oilers still have the same problems even adding Kane. He may add a few goals but he won't be stopping them. Somehow I think the Avs will get in from the central.

Even with the poor goaltending they still have a +18 differential, which is second best in the division. I wouldn't count them out at all, especially with them adding Kane back. I don't think they are cup contenders, but they should be a playoff team. They have healthy enough underlying stats paired with a couple of gamebreakers.

 

[King'sPawn]

Ok, I guess the players a can wear jerseys with something having to do with "Pride" one game during warm ups, as long as the next game they wear a jersey with a "Don't Tread on Me" flag, during warm up. I am sure you wouldn't mind, right? Just trying to raise awareness of certain issues.

Okay. What awareness are you trying to raise?

 

[Shellz]

Okay. What awareness are you trying to raise?

Don’t waste your time.

I’m just curious if this is the end of his NHL career? What team wants to deal with that kind of publicity? Maybe in a season everybody will forget about it, but that seems like a reach.

Ship him back to the KHL where his kind is accepted.

 

[Nasti]

I assume it includes the ASG?

It does but even without it, it’s the longest break of the season. Other teams will finally catch up on games played.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Re Provorov - they shouldve made him a dark side of the moon warmup.. problem solved

 

[GKJ]

Don’t waste your time.

I’m just curious if this is the end of his NHL career? What team wants to deal with that kind of publicity? Maybe in a season everybody will forget about it, but that seems like a reach.

Ship him back to the KHL where his kind is accepted.

The NHL is an old boys club, someone will seize an opportunity.

 

[Nasti]

I didn't know. I thought it was a theme the teams go for. That doesn't change my point at all, though.

Yeah it’s pretty gross. It was reported years ago actually with the largest sums of cash going to the NFL with their jets flying over stadiums, and brainwashing impressionable teenagers. Even John McCain called it “paid patriotism”. So the next time the announcers talk about how much the military means to them or how much they appreciate everything, you’ll know it’s all bought and paid for.

 

[Nasti]

Ok, I guess the players a can wear jerseys with something having to do with "Pride" one game during warm ups, as long as the next game they wear a jersey with a "Don't Tread on Me" flag, during warm up. I am sure you wouldn't mind, right? Just trying to raise awareness of certain issues.

Ok I’ll bite. How far would you go with that? For example, should the league have ignored 9/11 and just played hockey? Not looking to argue, just genuinely curious.

 

[Sparky206]

Oh man, This happened in Rugby here in Australia last season and destroyed a whole team. Half the team was pacific islanders who are deeply religious. One team reveals the week of the game their "Pride" jersey without any consultation with the players. Half the team refuse to wear it and healthy scratch themselves. The team doesn't want to loose face so plays in the jersey any way with a team full of reserves and gets demolished in a pivitol game in the season where they are on the playoff bubble. Following that the guys who did play are dirty on the guys who didn't put the team first and left their mates out there to cop a flogging so theres a huge rift right down the middle of the team. They went on the loose 7 of the next 8 and miss playoffs by a mile.

Teams really need do distance themselves from diversive social issues. If the NHL wants to run with things then it can work because the team isn't involved and it doesn't get down to invidiual opinions. But once you get teams involved it will just create divisions amongst the group and destroy teams.

Imagine if one of the other guys in the flyers dressing room has a brother or sister who is gay who they strongly support. That confrontations going to go down like a lead balloon and theres no middle ground with these issues, people have their strong opinions and theres nothing you can say that will change them.

 

[King'sPawn]

Don’t waste your time.

I’m just curious if this is the end of his NHL career? What team wants to deal with that kind of publicity? Maybe in a season everybody will forget about it, but that seems like a reach.

Ship him back to the KHL where his kind is accepted.

I don't think it has any impact at all. Anthony DeAngelo has been in trouble with some bigotry lately and he's still playing.

 

[KINGS17]

Ok I’ll bite. How far would you go with that? For example, should the league have ignored 9/11 and just played hockey? Not looking to argue, just genuinely curious.

9/11 is an anniversary of an attack against the United States. There is no denying there were heroes of different ethinicites, political stripes, etc. who gave their lives to save lives on 9/11.

I do not view the acknowlegdment of the 9/11 anniversary as a political statement. It affected all Americans. I think you know the difference between a moment of silence for people who perished on 9/11, and the "pride celebration".

Will it be ok when Easter rolls around if the Kings wear warm up jerseys with a crucifix on them? Where should it stop? I would suggest many would allow something promoting a cause they believe in and stop when it comes to something they don't agree with, which is why I say just don't do it at all unless it is something of historical note that impacts almost the entire population.

...and you certainly don't begrudge a player's right to free speech, if he doesn't want to wear the warm up jersey. I bet the team and the NHL were happier to have him just sit in the locker room during warm ups than have him go out for warm ups wearing his game uniform.

 

[Shellz]

I don't think it has any impact at all. Anthony DeAngelo has been in trouble with some bigotry lately and he's still playing.

I’ll be honest, I have no idea who that is

 

[johnjm22]

I know I'm in the small minority, but I don't have a problem with a player not wanting to participate in pride night.

 

[crassbonanza]

So, Provy has been out for pride nights before, was there any confirmation that the reason he refused was because of pride night?

 

[Steve Zissou]

@KINGS17 I have to say that your comparisons are pretty far from apples to apples.

Your analogies are like dildos and bananas – you may think you are snacking on one but girl you better check if you have the wrong one in your mouth.

 

[King'sPawn]

9/11 is an anniversary of an attack against the United States. There is no denying there were heroes of different ethinicites, political stripes, etc. who gave their lives to save lives on 9/11.

I do not view the acknowlegdment of the 9/11 anniversary as a political statement. It affected all Americans. I think you know the difference between a moment of silence for people who perished on 9/11, and the "pride celebration".

Will it be ok when Easter rolls around if the Kings wear warm up jerseys with a crucifix on them? Where should it stop? I would suggest many would allow something promoting a cause they believe in and stop when it comes to something they don't agree with, which is why I say just don't do it at all unless it is something of historical note that impacts almost the entire population.

...and you certainly don't begrudge a player's right to free speech, if he doesn't want to wear the warm up jersey. I bet the team and the NHL were happier to have him just sit in the locker room during warm ups than have him go out for warm ups wearing his game uniform.

What seems to get by you is whether it's 9/11, Cancer Awareness, BLM, Pride Night is there's a large demographic of Americans (or, on a basic principle, people) who are less fortunate or victims of something, be it a global tragedy, societal oppression, or health.

It's the community showing support. Lifting people up who are down. Showing love.

Players wear Christmas-themed jerseys and participate in charities during the holidays. Christmas trees and other iconography of a Christian holiday already gets blasted full-force in the faces of Jews, Muslims, and other religious denominations every year. Are you trying to argue that those who celebrate Easter are marginalized and suffering?

If yes, sure, let's have that conversation. Let's talk about injustices and make sure while people are looking, let's take a moment to call it out. Because heck, I wasn't aware of the oppressions and injustices Easter celebrators have endured.

So, Provy has been out for pride nights before, was there any confirmation that the reason he refused was because of pride night?

Yes. Both he and Tortorella confirmed it in the post game and did not take any further questions on the issue, reportedly.

 

[KINGS17]

@KINGS17 I have to say that your comparisons are pretty far from apples to apples.

Your analogies are like dildos and bananas – you may think you are snacking on one but girl you better check if you have the wrong one in your mouth.

That's because 9/11 doesn't compare to a pride day, Dipshit.

 

[kingsfan28]

It does but even without it, it’s the longest break of the season. Other teams will finally catch up on games played.

I checked other teams around us, both Vegas and Seattle have long breaks too with the ASB . Vegas has 10 , Seattle 9 days off.

 

[KINGS17]

What seems to get by you is whether it's 9/11, Cancer Awareness, BLM, Pride Night is there's a large demographic of Americans (or, on a basic principle, people) who are less fortunate or victims of something, be it a global tragedy, societal oppression, or health.

It's the community showing support. Lifting people up who are down. Showing love.

Players wear Christmas-themed jerseys and participate in charities during the holidays. Christmas trees and other iconography of a Christian holiday already gets blasted full-force in the faces of Jews, Muslims, and other religious denominations every year. Are you trying to argue that those who celebrate Easter are marginalized and suffering?

If yes, sure, let's have that conversation. Let's talk about injustices and make sure while people are looking, let's take a moment to call it out. Because heck, I wasn't aware of the oppressions and injustices Easter celebrators have endured.


Yes. Both he and Tortorella confirmed it in the post game and did not take any further questions on the issue, reportedly.

Really? You have never heard of the historical oppression of Christians? How about Jews?

...or do these "nights" only apply to progressive politically correct choices?

...and for the ahole who thinks my comparisons don't make sense 9/11 and Cancer Awareness compared to BLM and Pride Night. Um yeah, they are not the same.

 

[kilowatt]

We literally named our mascot after one of the victims of 9/11, we honor that every single home game lmao shut the f*** up

 

[King'sPawn]

Really? You have never heard of the historical oppression of Christians? How about Jews?

...or do these "nights" only apply to progressive politically correct choices?

So you want Christians to feel more empowered? Please tell me how the United States has marginalized the rights for them.

I've made it clear that if there are injustices going around we should talk about it. It has nothing to do with politics. And I have one sibling married to a Muslim, one married to a Jew. Feel free to raise awareness for how Jewish people (or Muslims) have been oppressed in the US.

That's the point. If there's something where we need to raise awareness or empower those who need it, a sporting event that unifies people in love of a sport is a great opportunity. Promote equality. It's not political unless you align with a political party who believes that not all people should be treated equally.

...and for the ahole who thinks my comparisons don't make sense 9/11 and Cancer Awareness compared to BLM and Pride Night. Um yeah, they are not the same.

That's true. You apparently only care about the former two.

What if it was a moment of silence for a school shooting? What if it was a moment of silence for a mass shooting at a gay bar? I just want to know what threshhold society and sports should start giving a shit about other people.

 

[Statto]

I agree with his right as an individual not to participate.

Not sure why the NHL needs to celebrate any particular lifestyle or political orgnanizations.

Just play hockey.

Perhaps to foster an environment where gay players (there will be many) can be open about who they are, as a start.

 

[apadilla]

I know I'm in the small minority, but I don't have a problem with a player not wanting to participate in pride night.

You are not in the small minority. There are a lot of people who think like you.