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1specter said:
Why would you assume that Kerfoot/Holl would still be here lol? Holl probably gets picked in the draft, which is $2M and then you jettison Kerfoot who is another 3.5M. That's McCann's money right there.
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How do the Leafs replace a top-4 Dman for far less than $2 million?

That move would have been worse in the long run. Replacing 2 players with 1.
 
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kb said:
How do the Leafs replace a top-4 Dman for far less than $2 million?

That move would have been worse in the long run. Replacing 2 players with 1.
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Personally, I take the chance that a top 4 of McCabe-Rielly-Gio-Brodie plus Lily and whoever else as 6/7 guys can get the job done along with 30-40 goal scorer McCann instead of pinning hopes on Justin Holl. And no, Kerfoot has been mediocre this season and has shown that last year was an overachieving season for him while this year has been more in line with his previous averages. He's hardly some irreplaceable player.
 
They made a wrong call on McCann in hindsight but an honest analysis would include the opportunity that McCann would have gotten here could be far less in terms of top 6 ice time. Also in PP time, 25% of his production comes from there. That likely doesn’t happen nearly as much on the Leafs
 
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BertCorbeau said:
They made a wrong call on McCann in hindsight but an honest analysis would include the opportunity that McCann would have gotten here could be far less in terms of top 6 ice time. Also in PP time, 25% of his production comes from there. That likely doesn’t happen nearly as much on the Leafs
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Then he probably would've been cheaper to extend.

He is also top 25 in 5v5 points
 
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BertCorbeau said:
They made a wrong call on McCann in hindsight but an honest analysis would include the opportunity that McCann would have gotten here could be far less in terms of top 6 ice time. Also in PP time, 25% of his production comes from there. That likely doesn’t happen nearly as much on the Leafs
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IMO, he would've had a clear spot in the top six. Bunting is not better than him and there was a massive hole on the second line for quite some time until ROR got here - and even then you could argue this isn't the best use of ROR given that he's a natural C (and a good one at that). The PP is where he takes a hit probably, but he's still been one of the best 5v5 producers this season. Of players who have played a minimum of 400 5v5 minutes, McCann ranks 7th overall in 5v5 P/60, ahead of guys like Brayden Point, Jason Robertson, Mitch Marner, Auston Matthews, Connor McDavid, Jack Hughes etc. He is riding a crazy sh%, but he scored 27 last year so I imagine here he'd still score 30-35 goals given the talent he'd have to work with.
 
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1specter said:
Personally, I take the chance that a top 4 of McCabe-Rielly-Gio-Brodie plus Lily
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We didn't have McCabe or Giordano then, and Liljegren had 13 NHL games to his name and we had no clue if he would take the next step. It's easy to say that we can do without players when you're years down the line, they're approaching the end of their time with you, and the replacements have had time to grow into that role. But the simple fact is, Holl would have had to be replaced in that offseason where worse players than Holl were making twice as much.

McCann was worth Hallander and a 7th. No team in the league thought he was worth more than that. Let it go already.
 
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We didn't have McCabe or Giordano then, and Liljegren had 13 NHL games to his name and we had no clue if he would take the next step. It's easy to say that we can do without players when you're years down the line, they're approaching the end of their time with you, and the replacements have had time to grow into that role. But the simple fact is, Holl would have had to be replaced in that offseason where worse players than Holl were making twice as much.

McCann was worth Hallander and a 7th. No team in the league thought he was worth more than that. Let it go already.
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I'm free to discuss what I want on this board, the topic came up and I replied to your boy Kb, so don't tell me what I can and can't discuss.
 
Personally, I think the Leafs are just fine using Jarnkrok + Bunting for about half the combined cap hit as McCann alone.

Even if he somehow manages to keep up his almost 20% shooting percentage here, I doubt he gets almost 9 shots/60 at 5-on-5 here playing in the Bunting/Jarnkrok role (that is what Tavares/Nylander gets). Bunting gets 7.5 and Jarnkrok gets under 6. That alone, without even accounting for shooting percentage or drastically reduced PP opportunities, shaves off 5 goals from his total.

I think he is a 25-30 goal, 60 point guy in Toronto assuming he can maintain a fairly high shooting percentage and can gel in the top 6. That is solid value for 5 mill per year, but that is not much better than what Bunting or a top 6 Jarnkrok has brought to the table in their Leafs careers (or a top 6 Hyman for that matter, making similar money to Jarnkrok), and McCann alone has the same cap hit as Bunting, Jarnkrok and Holl combined. And considering how many fans complain about how our Big 4 take up half the cap and the Leafs having no depth, that the same would apply here.
 
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1specter said:
I'm free to discuss what I want on this board, the topic came up and I replied to your boy Kb, so don't tell me what I can and can't discuss.
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You're free to talk about some meaningless player that was on our team for a couple days years ago for the exclusive purpose of the expansion draft.
I'm free to correct your misrepresentation of the situation we had at the time, and show how silly still talking about him is.
 
Dekes For Days said:
You're free to talk about some meaningless player that was on our team for a couple days years ago for the exclusive purpose of the expansion draft.
I'm free to correct your misrepresentation of the situation we had at the time, and show how silly still talking about him is.
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You're not correcting anything so please waste someone else's time.
 
1specter said:
You're not correcting anything
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I actually corrected quite a bit. You seemed to forget that we didn't have McCabe or Giordano then, where Liljegren was at in his development, the ramifications of losing Holl at the time and what it would have meant, and the established league-wide value that McCann had at the time.
 
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I actually corrected quite a bit. You seemed to forget that we didn't have McCabe or Giordano then, where Liljegren was at in his development, the ramifications of losing Holl at the time and what it would have meant, and the established league-wide value that McCann had at the time.
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Losing a top 4 defender that shouldn’t be a top 4 defender would have been a positive even without factoring in the other benefits.

Ideally, you push him into the #6 spot, but Keefe just insists on playing him more than superior players. It would have been best to just ditch him all together.
 
Dreakmur said:
Losing a top 4 defender that shouldn’t be a top 4 defender would have been a positive even without factoring in the other benefits.
Ideally, you push him into the #6 spot, but Keefe just insists on playing him more than superior players. It would have been best to just ditch him all together.
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Holl was coming off an excellent season in a shutdown top-4 role, and was signed for multiple years at a good cost. He was and continues to be valuable to the team. We can go back and forth talking about how much you undervalue Holl now, but it's really irrelevant when the simple, undeniable fact is that there was no replacement for him then.
 
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Pittsburgh is going to lose to Chicago and miss the playoffs. Wow.

EDIT: My bad they haven’t missed yet but they’ll be hard pressed to make it with the Islanders facing a depleted and tanking Habs team for their final game.
 
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Thank god the Penguins choked. Their D is non existent and so is their goaltending. It was going to be 4-0 Boston.

Panthers and Islanders at least play tough. Sorokin can steal a series and Panthers are hot and they have a bunch of shit disturbers that can at least make sure it's not easy for Boston to cruise through.

Islanders just have to get a point against Montreal and they're in.
 
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Booooo Pittsburgh’s incompetence means Florida back doors their way in. Lame. Need the Islanders and Panthers to win now to set up Islanders vs Bruins in round 1. Sorry to Crosby and his boys, should’ve won against shit competition.
 
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