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See the problem here is that you think you know everything about how Kyle Dubas operates, and you also believe that the analytics that we see constantly posted around here (Fresh, Dom, RAPM charts) are equivalent to what the Leafs organization uses.

You don't need to be Scottie Bowman to know that a player who is sheltered is generally going to have better on ice numbers, because there is a distinct difference between playing against Marchand or Kucherov vs. Nosek or Bellemare.

If I had to speculate, the Sandin trade comes down to his inability to handle heavy forecheck, his lack of footspeed, and the fact that he's an offensively gifted dman who cannot run a powerplay without giving up a lot of dangerous chances against. Couple this with the speculated bad blood from the his contract demands....

But ya, I guess make this an "us vs them" thing if you think that is better for stirring up replies.

Dubas and I happen to be quite aligned on moving out Sandin, and you seem to be as well in your breakdown of Sandin’s flaws…

Where folks cite Sandin’s elite analytics numbers to criticize the trade that was made by an analytics GM, that looks like a new schism to me.
 
Looking at their (Oilers) recent record you have to acknowledge they've been playing extremely well. Beat Leafs and Bruins.

Same with the Kings. One of the better teams the past couple of months.

I find the Kings more surprising. Impression I had was a team on the way down, not on the way up.

McDavid and Draisaitl are well known, but finding a rookie goaltender has really made a difference for the Oilers.

I hope LA and Edmonton meet up in the first round and they can beat each other up.

LA kind of reminds me of the 90s Weight, Smyth Oilers, more of a pack rat team on the no name side while the Oilers have the star power and name recognition. Almost think it should be reversed where the Kings have the superstars and the Oilers are the pack rat team…
 
Dubas and I happen to be quite aligned on moving out Sandin, and you seem to be as well in your breakdown of Sandin’s flaws…

Where folks cite Sandin’s elite analytics numbers to criticize the trade that was made by an analytics GM, that looks like a new schism to me.

I wasn't a fan of the trade.

Thought they'd use the pick to improve the team, but almost seems like a CYA scenario ... we're going all in except we're not ...

Sandin can play in the NHL, just to be dtermined at what level he'll get to when he's considered cooked.

Boston's 1st. rounder will be useful, maybe even get a pick out of it.
 
I wasn't a fan of the trade.

Thought they'd use the pick to improve the team, but almost seems like a CYA scenario ... we're going all in except we're not ...

Sandin can play in the NHL, just to be dtermined at what level he'll get to when he's considered cooked.

Boston's 1st. rounder will be useful, maybe even get a pick out of it.

I like it in the sense that it gives us more options at the draft towards the offseason. Keep some of the powder dry even though it doesn’t achieve a maximum all-in type scenario if we had flipped the pick for something else. Replenishes the ROR pick at a slight trade down.

Although I would be interested to know if there was an alternative solution where Sandin was traded to Washington for Orlov and Hathaway directly. Giving Washington what they wanted while cutting off the Bruins altogether. That could have been a short term grand slam, and maybe we don’t do McCabe and Lafferty.
 
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I find if you mention another team in a positive light some, for whatever reason, take is a a slight to the Leafs.
I find that slights against the Leafs are what are taken as slights against the Leafs, not mention of another team in a positive light.
Lots of great teams out there. Unfortunately, some seem to forget that the Leaf are one of them.
 
I wasn't a fan of the trade.

Thought they'd use the pick to improve the team, but almost seems like a CYA scenario ... we're going all in except we're not ...

Sandin can play in the NHL, just to be dtermined at what level he'll get to when he's considered cooked.

Boston's 1st. rounder will be useful, maybe even get a pick out of it.

Think the idea was Sandin wasn't going to get ice time so you should get something out of him while having Gustafsson make sure we don't take a hit on our depth chart right now.

Leafs need a 1st rounder more than a 4LD and I guess they are happy with other guys stepping in for Gio in the future rather than have Sandin sit and lose more development time.
 
The main boards just keep getting worse eh? The excrement level takes are out of control. I find when the Oilers are doing well it becomes unreadable as the fanbase practically expects everyone to bow down to McDavid and Drai like they are untouchable gods
Man it blows my mind how many people on this site spend more time talking about the Leafs than the team they actually cheer for (I can list off at least 5 posters like this off the top of my head). I couldnt imagine putting that much effort to talk about something i dislike so much.

Its like a weird fetish or kink for these people.

They'll talk and never shut up about the Leafs and leaf fans yet they cant even see the irony thats pouring out of them.
 
The main boards just keep getting worse eh? The excrement level takes are out of control. I find when the Oilers are doing well it becomes unreadable as the fanbase practically expects everyone to bow down to McDavid and Drai like they are untouchable gods

I'd love to see Pasta with couple more hattricks, while very unlikely they are 6 goals apart. Imagine if he atually outscored him (while playing 3 min less per game on avg).

It's season for the ages for McDavid either way, but still, some fans would lose their sh*t.
 
Man it blows my mind how many people on this site spend more time talking about the Leafs than the team they actually cheer for (I can list off at least 5 posters like this off the top of my head). I couldnt imagine putting that much effort to talk about something i dislike so much.

Its like a weird fetish or kink for these people.

They'll talk and never shut up about the Leafs and leaf fans yet they cant even see the irony thats pouring out of them.
It's truly bizarre, some people really have no life.
 
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Think the idea was Sandin wasn't going to get ice time so you should get something out of him while having Gustafsson make sure we don't take a hit on our depth chart right now.

Leafs need a 1st rounder more than a 4LD and I guess they are happy with other guys stepping in for Gio in the future rather than have Sandin sit and lose more development time.

Boston's pick might land a home-run, or they could use it (likely) to trade down and pick up a 2nd. and 4th./5th.

Hopefully, the Leafs allow their prospects to develop into the best they can be, before getting impatient and watching them blossom elsewhere. Development time for the Leafs shouldn't be any different than it is for other teams. I do think some fans are just more impatient, last year / year before Hughes of Vancouver was totally dissed here when discussing trade options. 'He's a unicorn': Vancouver Canucks star defenceman Hughes continues to grow his game | TSN
 
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The main boards just keep getting worse eh? The excrement level takes are out of control. I find when the Oilers are doing well it becomes unreadable as the fanbase practically expects everyone to bow down to McDavid and Drai like they are untouchable gods
Imagine these boards if the ping pong ball bounced the right way and the Leafs drafted him and he was putting up the type of season he is in the blue and white...
 
Imagine these boards if the ping pong ball bounced the right way and the Leafs drafted him and he was putting up the type of season he is in the blue and white...

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No idea.

I don't go to the main boards.

I wouldn't be surprised if it did though.

This site is about hockey, and the NHL is quite a big player in hockey, and well, the Leafs are part of that.

@ACC1224 has mentioned the insecurities.
Yes. I know, and I agree. I'm trying to be cheeky in suggesting that the insecurities aren't simply one-sided. Leaf fans are just as insecure as Oilers fans about the whole thing.
 
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Man it blows my mind how many people on this site spend more time talking about the Leafs than the team they actually cheer for (I can list off at least 5 posters like this off the top of my head). I couldnt imagine putting that much effort to talk about something i dislike so much.

Its like a weird fetish or kink for these people.

They'll talk and never shut up about the Leafs and leaf fans yet they cant even see the irony thats pouring out of them.
to be fair some on here do the same thing about other teams/players. It's just a fan thing of anything really. Sports, music or anything really.
 
to be fair some on here do the same thing about other teams/players. It's just a fan thing of anything really. Sports, music or anything really.

It is a crowded house, and sometimes the air supply is quite limited and you look for any oasis to get away but it never ends with the talking heads always bringing it up.
 
Boston's pick might land a home-run, or they could use it (likely) to trade down and pick up a 2nd. and 4th./5th.

Hopefully, the Leafs allow their prospects to develop into the best they can be, before getting impatient and watching them blossom elsewhere. Development time for the Leafs shouldn't be any different than it is for other teams. I do think some fans are just more impatient, last year / year before Hughes of Vancouver was totally dissed here when discussing trade options. 'He's a unicorn': Vancouver Canucks star defenceman Hughes continues to grow his game | TSN

I think the first rounder is real flexibility even in terms of like if we needed to trade for a star player or make a bigger move at the draft.
 
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I think an easy trap to fall into is just presuming the Leafs could have replicated a trade that another team made. Inter-GM relations, cap, roster balancing ect all come into play. Folks do the same thing in free agency often just assuming beacuse a player signed a certain contract with one team, they'd automatically be willing to do the exact same deal with the Leafs ect
 
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