Around the League - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Stephen]

Gotta say, Edmonton's 9-0-1 run is the kind of momentum I'd like to enter the playoffs with, "meaningless games" be damned.

 

[LaPlante94]

Sandin's underlying numbers here were elite. Literally.

I'm not surprised a certain few are salty he held out on their boy so have decided to go full troll mode on him. What do you expect him to do on one of the worst teams in the league since the deadline? Use some common sense.

Sandin is going to be perfectly fine.

I don't think it's that. Most know he's good, it's just whenever we trade someone if they go on a hot start or put up numbers somewhere else they'll non stop post about it on here and say Dubas or we're gonna regret this. Analytics people will do it with guys like Engvall, Malgin, Sandin and even Joey Anderson and the people who don't care for analytics that much or at all will do it with guys like Marchment and etc.

 

[Stephen]

I don't think it's that. Most know he's good, it's just whenever we trade someone if they go on a hot start or put up numbers somewhere else they'll non stop post about it on here and say Dubas or we're gonna regret this. Analytics people will do it with guys like Engvall, Malgin, Sandin and even Joey Anderson and the people who don't care for analytics that much or at all will do it with guys like Marchment and etc.

The Sandin trade is interesting because Sandin represents so much of this regime's brand and philosophy, yet it's this same regime that didn't think he could help them in the moment. Sandin can still go on to be a quality NHLer and this management team could still be right about pulling the plug on this project, but it must be weird for fans who closely identify with management wavelength to be caught offside on this one.

 

[Gallagbi]

The Sandin trade is interesting because Sandin represents so much of this regime's brand and philosophy, yet it's this same regime that didn't think he could help them in the moment. Sandin can still go on to be a quality NHLer and this management team could still be right about pulling the plug on this project, but it must be weird for fans who closely identify with management wavelength to be caught offside on this one.

He is a quality NHLer already and most seem to be aware of that. The question is mostly fit on this roster, both short and long term.

Seems the disconnect is some people heavily swapping beliefs to push their agenda.

 

[Stephen]

He is a quality NHLer already and most seem to be aware of that. The question is mostly fit on this roster, both short and long term.

Seems the disconnect is some people heavily swapping beliefs to push their agenda.

What agenda are you speaking of now, I personally support the trade.

 

[Gallagbi]

What agenda are you speaking of now, I personally support the trade.

Theres a few, some are more obvious than others. The guy who regularly uses +/- as a judge for defensive abilities and preaches defense wins championships lamenting the trade is pretty odd. Especially when he was concerned with our undersized D being unable to withstand pressure in the post season pre trade.

Im sure you're fine with the trade, but that post you made is bait-y as hell with the management wavelength comment. Not sure it would fly the other way with how infractions have been tossed out lately. The philosphy of management aspect of it is also something you and I (as well as others) have gone back and forth on already.

 

[Stephen]

Theres a few, some are more obvious than others. The guy who regularly uses +/- as a judge for defensive abilities and preaches defense wins championships lamenting the trade is pretty odd. Especially when he was concerned with our undersized D being unable to withstand pressure in the post season pre trade.

Im sure you're fine with the trade, but that post you made is bait-y as hell with the management wavelength comment. Not sure it would fly the other way with how infractions have been tossed out lately. The philosphy of management aspect of it is also something you and I (as well as others) have gone back and forth on already.

I don't like Sandin as a defenseman at all, and I mostly don't like Dubas built bluelines at the NHL level, the defensemen he drafts and the pipeline we have coming up. Not sure how I can be more clear on these topics or my displeasure.

 

[Gallagbi]

I don't like Sandin as a defenseman at all, and I mostly don't like Dubas built bluelines at the NHL level, the defensemen he drafts and the pipeline we have coming up. Not sure how I can be more clear on these topics or my displeasure.

Nobody asked you to clarify

 

[3blizzard4]

Gotta say, Edmonton's 9-0-1 run is the kind of momentum I'd like to enter the playoffs with, "meaningless games" be damned.

I’m jealous.

 

[Legion34]

Sandin's underlying numbers here were elite. Literally.

I'm not surprised a certain few are salty he held out on their boy so have decided to go full troll mode on him. What do you expect him to do on one of the worst teams in the league since the deadline? Use some common sense.

Sandin is going to be perfectly fine.

Depends on usage. We saw this with dermott.

His numbers were elite. He couldn’t bridge the gap.

I wasn’t against sandin. I didn’t see the point in the trade I would rather him than the 28-32 and Gus

But we have seen this too many times. All we can do is trust their judgement

 

[BallardEra]

Robertson just hit 100 points on the season. 10 points in his last 3 games.

 

[Nineteen67]

Preds are done for this year. Is there a better fit for the NHL and Bedard?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

but it must be weird for fans who closely identify with management wavelength to be caught offside on this one.

My God man, what has happened to this fanbase. This is some Fox news level commentary.

 

[Jojalu]

I might have to watch Sabres/Panthers tonight.

One of the few games remaining with any meaning

 

[Nineteen67]

I might have to watch Sabres/Panthers tonight.

One of the few games remaining with any meaning

That and Pitt NJD.

 

[ULF_55]

Gotta say, Edmonton's 9-0-1 run is the kind of momentum I'd like to enter the playoffs with, "meaningless games" be damned.

I really think Ekholm being acquired, and secondarily Kane coming back from injury.

Replacing an offensive defenseman (Barrie) who is really about offense for a defenseman you can play against anyone, anytime.

A couple secondary pieces for 3rd. / 4th. line ... whatever.

 

[Jojalu]

I really think Ekholm being acquired, and secondarily Kane coming back from injury.

Replacing an offensive defenseman (Barrie) who is really about offense for a defenseman you can play against anyone, anytime.

A couple secondary pieces for 3rd. / 4th. line ... whatever.

Ekholm has been incredible for them. It allows Nurse to eat less minutes and get easier matchups which in turn has made him look better.

Their depth is also not as poor as a lot claim.

Then McDavid and Drai are just next level.

If Skinner can be just average they might make a deep run

 

[ACC1224]

Ekholm would have been a terrific add here, big miss by Dubas there.

 

[ULF_55]

Ekholm has been incredible for them. It allows Nurse to eat less minutes and get easier matchups which in turn has made him look better.

Their depth is also not as poor as a lot claim.

Then McDavid and Drai are just next level.

If Skinner can be just average they might make a deep run

Yeah, Holland didn't do a lot of scrambling around trying to change his team at the deadline.

Quality move.

Really, pushed down players to situations they are better suited for.

Not a middle of the line-up shuffle, and real top down improvement in a 20 minute a game position.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Ekholm would have been a terrific add here, big miss by Dubas there.

We add Ekholm we likely don't have RoR or Accari. Like it isn't like Dubas went the Carolina route and did nothing. He added to multiple areas of the team under a cap crunch.

 

[1specter]

Ekholm would have been a terrific add here, big miss by Dubas there.

I don't know if that's fair. If Dubas gets Ekholm it comes at the expense of other moves, and Nashville basically retained no cap on him too. Plus, defense wasn't as big of an issue with this team as quality depth up front was, especially a guy like ROR who is a legit winner and brings those net front goals that this team struggles with come playoff time. ROR also makes the team better defensively

 

[ACC1224]

We add Ekholm we likely don't have RoR or Accari. Like it isn't like Dubas went the Carolina route and did nothing. He added to multiple areas of the team under a cap crunch.

I'm sure there are many different scenarios that could have played out.
He'd look great here, no doubt.

I don't know if that's fair. If Dubas gets Ekholm it comes at the expense of other moves, and Nashville basically retained no cap on him too. Plus, defense wasn't as big of an issue with this team as quality depth up front was, especially a guy like ROR who is a legit winner and brings those net front goals that this team struggles with come playoff time. ROR also makes the team better defensively

ROR was a great pickup. Ekholm would have been as well.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We add Ekholm we likely don't have RoR or Accari. Like it isn't like Dubas went the Carolina route and did nothing. He added to multiple areas of the team under a cap crunch.

We'd lose out on more than just ROR and Acciari. Reports were that Nashville didn't want to retain, and ROR + Acciari + McCabe + Lafferty cost the same as Ekholm alone, before even getting into the cost of replacing the 3 other roster spots.

And I'm not sure Ekholm will be so desirable when he's in his mid-30s taking up 6.25m during the years when we most need cap space to re-sign our core.

Unfortunately, some ignore the ramifications of moves and how they'd actually work, and just demand their GM get everybody or they suck.

 

[ULF_55]

We'd lose out on more than just ROR and Acciari. Reports were that Nashville didn't want to retain, and ROR + Acciari + McCabe + Lafferty cost the same as Ekholm alone, before even getting into the cost of replacing the 3 other roster spots.

And I'm not sure Ekholm will be so desirable when he's in his mid-30s taking up 6.25m during the years when we most need cap space to re-sign our core.

Unfortunately, some ignore the ramifications of moves and how they'd actually work, and just demand their GM get everybody or they suck.

There is a good possibility that Ryan O'Rielly will be a good pick-up (rental).
McCabe looks like a good middle pairing d-man.

 

[ACC1224]

There is a good possibility that Ryan O'Rielly will be a good pick-up.
McCabe looks like a good middle pairing d-man.

Great pick ups, no doubt, imagine adding Ekholm to that group.