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Peasy said:
In the NBA you trade picks and prospects for super stars, in the NHL you trade them for a 2nd pairing d or a 3c.

Its honestly crazy how less exciting player movement is in the NHL compared to the other major NA sports. The NHL isn't even in the same realm as them.
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Football and hockey are the ultimate team sports. Baseball, though it’s a team, it’s a lot of one on one.
 
Most of the league is capped out and the teams that aren’t are actively tanking. Can’t have big player movement like the NBA or MLB when GMs are working with such little room. A soft cap would fix this and give the NHL more exciting player movement like other leagues but God forbid the owners spend any more money or Gary’s precious pursuit of parity is compromised.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
So the back to back cup winners are "abject failures" that have "no pride"?
Can't be flip-flopping on what these losses mean depending on the team.
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your comprehension needs improvement.

Hubris that Leafs losing is okay because other teams do; and other teams have won cups while leafs haven't got out of 1st round yet; but Leafs are equal to them is absolutely ridiculous.

but then again humble outlook is not something i expect from a dubas supporter. as you were....
 
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Dekes For Days said:
So the back to back cup winners are "abject failures" that have "no pride"?
Can't be flip-flopping on what these losses mean depending on the team.
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What a can of worms to open, lol. Yes, we shouldn't go into full panic mode whenever the Leafs play like garbage. Yes, the Lightning have EARNED the benefit of the doubt when they play like garbage; they've won when it mattered and as much as we hate the arrogant comments from Jon Cooper, his team backs up his statements 90% of the time.

I'm sure you understand this but just want to go at it with PromisedLand, but this is just polluting the thread.
 
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Peasy said:
In the NBA you trade picks and prospects for super stars, in the NHL you trade them for a 2nd pairing d or a 3c.

Its honestly crazy how less exciting player movement is in the NHL compared to the other major NA sports. The NHL isn't even in the same realm as them.
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Do you think that’s more to do with players or owners or culture or a mix of all of them.

Personally, I think it has more to do with players wanting to get pay(not just their salary but other stuff too) and willing to move from one team to another to create buzz around themselves in order to strengthen their own brand.
Also owners tend to not mind to rebuild or retool every few years but I think that has more to do with their TV deals and how their revenue stream is not mainly from the gate like the NHL.
 
PromisedLand said:
Hubris that Leafs losing is okay because other teams do; and other teams have won cups while leafs haven't got out of 1st round yet; but Leafs are equal to them is absolutely ridiculous.
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zoA said:
Yes, we shouldn't go into full panic mode whenever the Leafs play like garbage. Yes, the Lightning have EARNED the benefit of the doubt when they play like garbage;
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Nobody is saying losing is okay. The issue is that some people claim losses like the ones being referenced are evidence that there is something inherently wrong with our team, that it shows we have "no pride", and it disqualifies us from being contenders. Clearly that is not true, as undeniable contenders with plenty of pride do the same things.

When confronted with this, certain individuals will bring up unrelated differences between the teams to justify this contradiction, but we're not talking about those other differences. We're talking about this specific occurrence and what it specifically means. You can't pick and choose different meanings for an identical occurrence based on the team.
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:
Most of the league is capped out and the teams that aren’t are actively tanking. Can’t have big player movement like the NBA or MLB when GMs are working with such little room. A soft cap would fix this and give the NHL more exciting player movement like other leagues but God forbid the owners spend any more money or Gary’s precious pursuit of parity is compromised.
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Not that I like Bettman but I think most owners just don’t want to spend more money and would rather push this parity agenda instead of soft cap and luxury tax.
 
Gabriel426 said:
Not that I like Bettman but I think most owners just don’t want to spend more money and would rather push this parity agenda instead of soft cap and luxury tax.
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The luxury tax already exists. It's called revenue sharing, and all the 'rich' franchises pay into it! It's used to prop up the poor franchises located in non-traditional hockey markets.
 
Dekes For Days said:
Nobody is saying losing is okay. The issue is that some people claim losses like the ones being referenced are evidence that there is something inherently wrong with our team, that it shows we have "no pride", and it disqualifies us from being contenders. Clearly that is not true, as undeniable contenders with plenty of pride do the same things.

When confronted with this, certain individuals will bring up unrelated differences between the teams to justify this contradiction, but we're not talking about those other differences. We're talking about this specific occurrence and what it specifically means. You can't pick and choose different meanings for an identical occurrence based on the team.
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I mean, that's what I meant by not going into full panic mode. I do agree with you there, and I think some people get too heavily involved emotionally with the team, which just isn't good for them or the people they're around.

That said, in the example of the Lightning, the reason "pride" doesn't get mentioned is because they've won where we haven't. In fact, almost everyone on HFboards gives them a pass because of that -- it's similar to why I've never believed the Bruins were going to regress out of the playoffs every year people picked them for that; their team, and it's mainstay players, just get things done in a different way than we have. We haven't really earned the right to not be questioned, and unfortunately as fans, a large part of being a fan these days is wondering why your team didn't win when you wanted them to.

Again, I think you already know all of this, but I could see both points in the argument, which is why I commented. Appreciate the response. Cheers.
 
Al14 said:
The luxury tax already exists. It's called revenue sharing, and all the 'rich' franchises pay into it! It's used to prop up the poor franchises located in non-traditional hockey markets.
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Sort of but not really. Since revenue sharing could go up and down depends how much the rich franchises are making and which franchises can be consider rich franchises(sadly any NHL teams in the black is consider rich franchises)where as Luxury tax is paid due to going over the cap and can be a lot more than luxury tax.
 
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