GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[Stephen]

No I’m not saying they should just stick with Dubas. I’ve always maintained that the idea that as long as he shows willingness to adapt and adjust that it deserves some merit in keeping him. IMO he’s used his big bullets in the coach he wants, he’s reshaped the blue line, re-assorted the depth, and such she’s the goaltending. He’s made sensible moves along the way.. Him running back the core is my concern. I was open last year and am more now to making that move but I get the circumstances as to why they wouldn’t make that move. Goaltending is another one but more of a wild card. IMO taking a stand with his core and not trading one may be the biggest mistake if they continue to fail. But i don’t know if that’s the right move. So time will tell.

I don’t think they should fire the management team either. It’s really kind of dysfunctional for a 115 point team to blow it up. What’s the new management team supposed to do as a follow up? But on the other hand they are fair game to heavy criticism. That’s the price for job security.

 

[kb]

I was told manson trade by the Avs is really bad and sakic sucked on it right here on this board.

manson is playing in the finals meanwhile the same posters are in the dubas thread defending dubas' moves.

go figure

But if this was your intelligence on this whole issue, Manson had the Leafs on his NTC and has for years.

Let's just put this to bed.

Looks like Perry has joined yet another wrong team. He should try to sign with the Avs next.

Who did he pay for last season? I forget. Was it Montreal? If so, this is awesome

 

[ULF_55]

Not just Makar >> Rielly

Mack >> Matthews in the playoffs
Rantanen >> Marner in the playoffs
Landeskog > Nylander in the playoffs etc

The Avs lost the past few years due to poor goaltending. They've gotten elite production form their stars however

This year a guy like Valeri Nichkushkin having a better playoffs (13 pts in 16 games) than JT has had as a leaf these past 4 years (14 pts in 19 games)

Leafs don't compare whatsoever to them.

They're better at basically every position

1C, 1W, 1D, 1G they're clearly ahead

Yes, I agree.

However, other than Rielly, the Leafs players are younger by 2-3 years.
Tavares is another matter, guess you'd have to say Kadri-Tavares when it comes to depth?

Do we went to talk about goaltending?
Heck, I'm not sure they've had anyone better than Reimer the past decade.

 

[hamzarocks]

Yes, I agree.

However, other than Rielly, the Leafs players are younger by 2-3 years.
Tavares is another matter, guess you'd have to say Kadri-Tavares when it comes to depth?

Tavares is better than Kadri but in tbe playoffs he's been worse (though can save maybe JT is better despite the terrible production due to Kadri getting suspended in 2021)

The Avs though got this success through having these guys on steal deals

Mack at 6.5 or whatever a steal
Girard at 5ish a great deal
Kadri at 4.5m the main reason they kept him as it's a great deal
Landeskog at 8M a very good deal
Rantanen at 9 a great deal
Makar at his current deal probably tbe best contract in the NHL

Leafs overpaid the big 4 as if we were getting a 20% premium on the avs/bolts/prime pens/prime Hawks cores when these guys have been closer to 75% of those cores.

The avs could add quality depth and make aggrieved signings and trades (nuch, buralovsky, kumper) becuase every one if their core is ine a value surplus deal.

Despite our players being younger, they don't provide the same cap value as those guys. It hinders us heavily and will di so for this year and 2023.

Extremely tough to build a winner when the core is underperforming and we don't have the ability to bring them quality help

 

[BertCorbeau]

Bolts went down 2-0 against the Rangers and many said they were done.. this should be interesting to see if they come back again. Feels like their tank is empty, but they could adjust.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Tavares is better than Kadri but in tbe playoffs he's been worse (though can save maybe JT is better despite the terrible production due to Kadri getting suspended in 2021)

The Avs though got this success through having these guys on steal deals

Mack at 6.5 or whatever a steal
Girard at 5ish a great deal
Kadri at 4.5m the main reason they kept him as it's a great deal
Landeskog at 8M a very good deal
Rantanen at 9 a great deal
Makar at his current deal probably tbe best contract in the NHL

Leafs overpaid the big 4 as if we were getting a 20% premium on the avs/bolts/prime pens/prime Hawks cores when these guys have been closer to 75% of those cores.

The avs could add quality depth and make aggrieved signings and trades (nuch, buralovsky, kumper) becuase every one if their core is ine a value surplus deal.

Despite our players being younger, they don't provide the same cap value as those guys. It hinders us heavily and will di so for this year and 2023.

Extremely tough to build a winner when the core is underperforming and we don't have the ability to bring them quality help

True. The av‘a got lucky that Mackinnon had some seasons on his ELC where he didn’t produce as well, less than his rookie year, and the Av’s were able to get him on a stellar contract.

 

[Menzinger]

Bolts went down 2-0 against the Rangers and many said they were done.. this should be interesting to see if they come back again. Feels like their tank is empty, but they could adjust.

Though I'd say the Rags overachieved to get as far as they did.

That said, obviously Tampa has earned some benefit of the doubt even though they played like absolute trash tonight

 

[BertCorbeau]

Though I'd say the Rags overachieved to get as far as they did.

That said, obviously Tampa has earned some benefit of the doubt even though they played like absolute trash tonight

Seems like we are seeing a truer changing of the guard.

 

[garce]

Bolts went down 2-0 against the Rangers and many said they were done.. this should be interesting to see if they come back again. Feels like their tank is empty, but they could adjust.

If they come back from this, they are truly one of the best dynastic teams ever. This was a beat down of epic proportions that to be honest I feared the Leafs would get if they managed to make the final. I would bet anything but my pictured dog that the Avs win easily but…..

 

[hamzarocks]

True. The av‘a got lucky that Mackinnon had some seasons on his ELC where he didn’t produce as well, less than his rookie year, and the Av’s were able to get him on a stellar contract.

Not just him.

Girard is a very good deal too. He's better than brodie/muzzin and majes around their money

Burakovksy is on a great deal for a 60-70 point winger

Rantanen is a top 5 winger in the game or around there and makes 1-2M less than he could (Ala marner)

Makar is the best player/2nd best player in the NHL after 97 and makes 2-3M less than he could

The Avs players were signed to discounted deals and they were able to get quality and productive depth as a result

We overpaid heavily at the ti e of our signings for every one of the big 4. Matthews is worth it now, marner kind of, Nylander yeah, and JT is 3-4M overpaid.

We can't compete with them, not when they have elite and better players than our core guys signed for lower cap hits

 

[ULF_55]

Tavares is better than Kadri but in tbe playoffs he's been worse (though can save maybe JT is better despite the terrible production due to Kadri getting suspended in 2021)

The Avs though got this success through having these guys on steal deals

Mack at 6.5 or whatever a steal
Girard at 5ish a great deal
Kadri at 4.5m the main reason they kept him as it's a great deal
Landeskog at 8M a very good deal
Rantanen at 9 a great deal
Makar at his current deal probably tbe best contract in the NHL

Leafs overpaid the big 4 as if we were getting a 20% premium on the avs/bolts/prime pens/prime Hawks cores when these guys have been closer to 75% of those cores.

The avs could add quality depth and make aggrieved signings and trades (nuch, buralovsky, kumper) becuase every one if their core is ine a value surplus deal.

Despite our players being younger, they don't provide the same cap value as those guys. It hinders us heavily and will di so for this year and 2023.

Extremely tough to build a winner when the core is underperforming and we don't have the ability to bring them quality help

Mack has got to have one of the best team friendly deals.

Bye-the-way, Matthews and Nylander are PPG the past 3 playoffs totals. Nylander 10 goals, Matthews 7, in 19 games.

I really think the Leafs have 2 contracts that cause them issues, marner's and Tavares'.

We're probably looking at a 4-5 million dollar overage there.

 

[hamzarocks]

Mack has got to have one of the best team friendly deals.

Bye-the-way, Matthews and Nylander are PPG the past 3 playoffs totals. Nylander 10 goals, Matthews 7, in 19 games.

I really think the Leafs have 2 contracts that cause them issues, marner's and Tavares'.

We're probably looking at a 4-5 million dollar overage there.

Three years makes Nylander look better becuase it takes out 2019 where he was a top 3 reason we lost to the Bruins

Overall though he's been worth his deal the past three years

Matthews has been good enough despite not being superstar (top 5 in the world good)

And yea agree that Marner and JT both have shit the bed heavily since dubas was hired

Two guys who haven't done enough

Marner is a superstar in tbe regular season so he's worth his 11M for reg season

JT is a low end 1C in the reg season and even 2-3M overpaid there. In the playoffs he's just not a good player as a leaf.

These two need too be much better next year if we want a quality playoff run for once

 

[socko]

I really think some are looking at the Leafs in the passenger mirror.

However, Rielly is so inferior to Makar that the huge gap there is an issue.

Makar 4th. overall >>> Rielly 5th. overall. Instinct seems to be missing in Rielly.

And going forward, no goaltender.

Nazem Kadri > John Tavares
Nazem Kadri @ 4.5 >>> John Tavares @ 11

 

[ULF_55]

Three years makes Nylander look better becuase it takes out 2019 where he was a top 3 reason we lost to the Bruins

Overall though he's been worth his deal the past three years

Matthews has been good enough despite not being superstar (top 5 in the world good)

And yea agree that Marner and JT both have shit the bed heavily since dubas was hired

Two guys who haven't done enough

Marner is a superstar in tbe regular season so he's worth his 11M for reg season

JT is a low end 1C in the reg season and even 2-3M overpaid there. In the playoffs he's just not a good player as a leaf.

These two need too be much better next year if we want a quality playoff run for once

Yeah, maybe Matthews and marner can watch the video of McDavid and McKinnon and see what it means to shift into post-season gear?

It will be disappointing if Keefe runs out the same routine 2022-2023.

 

[ULF_55]

Nazem Kadri > John Tavares
Nazem Kadri @ 4.5 >>> John Tavares @ 11

Yes, every 2nd. year Kadri is very good in the playoffs, and every 2nd. year he is suspended.

 

[saffronleaf]

so glad to see perry lose over and over and over again, each time as sweet as the last. loser.

 

[ULF_55]

so glad to see perry lose over and over and over again, each time as sweet as the last. loser.

Yeah, that has to be so anti-Maroon.

 

[saffronleaf]

Yes, every 2nd. year Kadri is very good in the playoffs, and every 2nd. year he is suspended.

but you can reliably count on tavares to be useless every playoffs.

 

[Mess]

Tell us then, without opinion, what has Sakic won in his 9 years as GM?

How Joe Sakic built the Stanley Cup Final-bound Colorado Avalanche​

How Joe Sakic built the Stanley Cup Final-bound Colorado Avalanche

Joe Sakic helped lead the Colorado Avalanche to Stanley Cup championships in both 1996 and 2001 and the Hall of Fame centre is on the verge of doing it again more than two decades later – this time as the franchise’s general manager. Here's how he built the Avs.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Gabriel426]

If TB loses, Perry will be 3 times loser. He is like Taylor Hall with the first overall picks. There is something about having Perry on the team.

 

[Nineteen67]

Yes. None of that is important. Losing to game 7 to stanly cup winners is better than going to conference finals


I'll add this though. Sakic took over a team that was rebuilding. He drafted Nathan and so on
Dubas took on a team that had all the key players already drafted and played few seasons

One's 5 year isn't like other's 5 years

I’d argue that Dubas didn’t have all the key pieces when he took over

 

[Nineteen67]

If he can be a GM, all of us can. That's the appeal.

When I first joined, it took me awhile to figure out what was going with some poster, until I realized they must be playing some version of fantasy hockey and the actual score matters less than whatever they evaluate.

 

[Nooodles]

but you can reliably count on tavares to be useless every playoffs.

He literally scored on G6 and G7 as well which should have counted.

 

[Nineteen67]

He literally scored on G6 and G7 as well which should have counted.

Had the ref turned a blind eye in game 7 and the Leafs somehow managed to win that game, that play would caused an uproar.

 

[BallardEra]

Bolts went down 2-0 against the Rangers and many said they were done.. this should be interesting to see if they come back again. Feels like their tank is empty, but they could adjust.

True but towards the end of game 2 against the Rangers you could see Tampa playing much better. That gave them a positive feeling going back home.

Avs look so much better than the Rangers all over the ice.

Obviously it's do or die for Tampa tomorrow night. Pretty crazy that the Avs are 14-2 in the playoffs.