GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[leafsfan5]

The Leafs would just being the last to lose. IMO no teams left are on the same level as the Avs. They are 12-2 in the playoffs.

The Avs have played the following:

Nashville without their star goalie
St. Louis without their starter who was playing like a superstar
Edmonton who has the defensive acumen of a minor league team

Colorado can't choose their opponents so they got who they got and took care of business, but their record is more of an indication of how weak the west is.

Once they reach the finals they'll have a shock realizing how tough it is to score in the east. You have to earn every inch of ice against the likes of TB. That certainly isn't the case against the Oilers

 

[Dekes For Days]

Avs is a much better team than us.
Mack is better than AM
Rantanen is a better overall player than MM
Landy is better than Willie
Kadri is playing better than JT
Makar is better than anyone on Leafs D
Toews is better than Muz or TJ or Gio
Kemper is better than Campbell
They also don’t have low IQ players like Kerfoot or Holl

Pretty much the only thing correct here is that Makar is better than anyone on the Leaf's D.

 

[keonsbitterness]

So Toronto, while plagued with injuries, barely lost to the 2nd best team in the league last playoffs?

How can a team plagued with injuries build up a 3-1 lead?

It's also no coincidence that the year where the Leafs clearly set out to play that famous "playoffs hockey" the refs suddenly do an extreme crackdown, resulting in the most skilled teams going deep finally.

Keefe told the refs it would be a violent series and the refs took that warning to heart by keeping the Leafs in check. Why blame the refs for Keefe's big mouth?

Of course you can, but "we got further" doesn't automatically mean tangible progress.

Winning a series is tangible.

 

[ACC1224]

Avs is a much better team than us.
Mack is better than AM
Rantanen is a better overall player than MM
Landy is better than Willie
Kadri is playing better than JT
Makar is better than anyone on Leafs D
Toews is better than Muz or TJ or Gio
Kemper is better than Campbell
They also don’t have low IQ players like Kerfoot or Holl

Marner is better than Rantanen
Toews is debateable.

Can't see anyone arguing with the rest of the list.

 

[Gabriel426]

The Avs have played the following:

Nashville without their star goalie
St. Louis without their starter who was playing like a superstar
Edmonton who has the defensive acumen of a minor league team

Colorado can't choose their opponents so they got who they got and took care of business, but their record is more of an indication of how weak the west is.

Once they reach the finals they'll have a shock realizing how tough it is to score in the east. You have to earn every inch of ice against the likes of TB. That certainly isn't the case against the Oilers

I agree but looking at the Leafs records against backup goalies and Zamboni driver, I don’t think the Leafs will be 12-2 even if they against the same opponents.

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner is better than Rantanen
Toews is debateable.

Can't see anyone arguing with the rest of the list.

Rantanen performs better in the playoffs

 

[ACC1224]

Rantanen performs better in the playoffs

Yep, he's on a much better team.

 

[Lightsol]

They made tangible progress and their demons were just like ours; no series wins in decades.

Yeah, only required them to spend all their assets and destroy their cap for an all-or-nothing run... That ended in a second round sweep. And now they're going to have to start dumping players.

 

[leafsfan5]

I agree but looking at the Leafs records against backup goalies and Zamboni driver, I don’t think the Leafs will be 12-2 even if they against the same opponents.

I agree, I don't think mentally we are at the level where we can go 12-2 in the playoffs. The talent is there, though

But overall, 12-2 just shows how bad the west is at the moment. Colorado is the only top tier team right now

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Yeah, only required them to spend all their assets and destroy their cap for an all-or-nothing run... That ended in a second round sweep. And now they're going to have to start dumping players.

That had nothing to do with what we were talking about but OK.

 

[saffronleaf]

I was so hyped going into the 3rd of Game 6. I was literally shaking after those two quick goals and had to go for a walk to chill myself out.

Two bullshit penalties and weak goaltending by Campbell again in OT sunk us though. For me, that’s when I knew we were going to lose the series and felt all the frustration. I didn’t even care when they lost Game 7. I knew that was inevitable

yup, once game 6 was lost I knew we wouldn't win the series.

I will give the team credit for actually competing hard in game 7 unlike years past. Tampa is just too good at shutting things down, and all the ambiguous calls from the referees went against us.

That may be how some fans perceive it, but it's largely untrue. There may be some psychological weight lifted after that first series win, as I said, but we didn't lose this year because of "demons", and exorcising demons didn't really seem to help Florida avoid getting swept in the 2nd round. Did they overcome their demons or did they just make different ones?

I, as a fan of the team, would enjoy it, but in the end, it doesn't change the quality of our team or increase our chances of winning the cup if we're not winning that year.

the experience the core players get might help increase chances for the following year tho. instead the monkey on the back has become an elephant.

 

[saffronleaf]

How can a team plagued with injuries build up a 3-1 lead?

Keefe told the refs it would be a violent series and the refs took that warning to heart by keeping the Leafs in check. Why blame the refs for Keefe's big mouth?

Winning a series is tangible.

ok with all that but the referees f*** them. how unprofessional are they?? regardless of whether keefe shoulda said that (shouldn't have), the referees need to do their damn job. it wasn't insane or anything, but it definitely felt like throughout the series at key moments the ambiguous calls almost always went in favor of tampa.

the sba is usually quiet as a morgue and the only chant they have is go leafs go but even they decided this time to get in on the refs you suck chant.

 

[Gallagbi]

Keefe told the refs it would be a violent series and the refs took that warning to heart by keeping the Leafs in check. Why blame the refs for Keefe's big mouth?

Holy f*** this is an embarrassingly bad take.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yep, he's on a much better team.

Also on a team where nobody is making over 10mil.

Honestly, saying Rantanen is preforming better than MM in the playoffs is not a diss towards MM.
Like saying McD performed better than anyone in the playoffs. It doesn't everyone sucks

I agree, I don't think mentally we are at the level where we can go 12-2 in the playoffs. The talent is there, though

But overall, 12-2 just shows how bad the west is at the moment. Colorado is the only top tier team right now

NO doubt about it. I think Avs is a team where their mentality matches their talents. While TB is a team where their mentality is at a higher level than their already high level talents.

 

[stickty111]

The Oilers are still sensitive about one tweet. They need to relax. Thats not a team I want the Leafs to look up to.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Holy f*** this is an embarrassingly bad take.

Keefe should be embarrassed for saying what he said. Just so stupid.

 

[Lightsol]

Also on a team where nobody is making over 10mil.

Imagine the reactions of most of Leafs Nation if Matthews followed Mackinnon's development curve. Would he even still be here, or would the fans have ridden him out of town on a rail for not being the franchise immediately?

 

[zeke]

Keefe told the refs it would be a violent series and the refs took that warning to heart by keeping the Leafs in check. Why blame the refs for Keefe's big mouth?

Yup - I'm glad we all agree that the NHL changes it's rules based on what the Leafs say and do.

Crazy, eh?

 

[zeke]

Keefe should be embarrassed for saying what he said. Just so stupid.

Yup no coaches every talk about upcoming playoffs series as physical wars and battles.

Keefe is the first. What a boob!

 

[Gabriel426]

Imagine the reactions of most of Leafs Nation if Matthews followed Mackinnon's development curve. Would he even still be here, or would the fans have ridden him out of town on a rail for not being the franchise immediately?

Not sure. All I know is one player is leading his team in the Finals while the other is doing his off season routine.

 

[zeke]

Avs is a much better team than us.
Mack is better than AM
Rantanen is a better overall player than MM
Landy is better than Willie
Kadri is playing better than JT
Makar is better than anyone on Leafs D
Toews is better than Muz or TJ or Gio
Kemper is better than Campbell
They also don’t have low IQ players like Kerfoot or Holl

Leafs vs Avs head to head, Matthews Era: 4-4-2, +5gdiff
Leafs vs Avs head to head, Last 3 Years: 2-1-1, +4gdiff
Leafs vs Avs head to head, This Season: 1-0-1, +4gdiff


Probably just luck.

 

[Fogelhund]

on @timandfriends, @KevinWeekes said in terms of $ for a new evander kane contract, if it's with the oilers, it starts with a seven. any other team, an eight.


Lol

 

[Gabriel426]

Leafs vs Avs head to head, Matthews Era: 4-4-2, +5gdiff
Leafs vs Avs head to head, Last 3 Years: 2-1-1, +4gdiff
Leafs vs Avs head to head, This Season: 1-0-1, +4gdiff


Probably just luck.

Whats your point?
Honestly, I really don't see your point.

Leafs destroyed the Habs during the North Division and then got beaten by them in 7 games. I think AM feasted on Price his whole career and somehow just score ONE goal in that series, which tied with TJ our most defensive Dman.

Luck or the fact that our boys just can't do it when it matters yet.

Rather than blaming tough luck or whatever, how about comparing the remaining teams in the playoffs and look at whats click for them and implement and intergraded those elements on the Leafs.

Lastly, show some respect to teams or players who actually done something in the playoffs than saying they are lucky or he aint that good, it is his team......

 

[keonsbitterness]

Yup - I'm glad we all agree that the NHL changes it's rules based on what the Leafs say and do.

Crazy, eh?

Its, not it's.

It's (not its) not that your paranoid, it's (not its) just that everyone is against you.

What a boob!

That's fair.

 

[zeke]

Whats your point?
Honestly, I really don't see your point.

Leafs destroyed the Habs during the North Division and then got beaten by them in 7 games. I think AM feasted on Price his whole career and somehow just score ONE goal in that series, which tied with TJ our most defensive Dman.

Luck or the fact that our boys just can't do it when it matters yet.

Rather than blaming tough luck or whatever, how about comparing the remaining teams in the playoffs and look at whats click for them and implement and intergraded those elements on the Leafs.

Lastly, show some respect to teams or players who actually done something in the playoffs than saying they are lucky or he aint that good, it is his team......

I could argue many ways that the Avs and Leafs are very close.This is just one.

Btw - the Avs have been one of the biggest playoffs flops of this era.

Its, not it's.

It's (not its) not that your paranoid, it's (not its) just that everyone is against you.

That's fair.

Yep you ain't paranoid - like you just said, the league does in fact change how it refs games based on what the Leafs say and do.