Around the League 2021-22 Part 2

[Anaheim4ever]

I feel like Byfields age + raw stats/skill was too hard to pass up on. He still isnt even 20 yet.

But ya Turcotte has been massively disappointing.... i feel like hes going to be a similar player to Lundy.... dont think he comes anywhere near McTavish

Byfield i still think will pan out, but i dont think hell be as good as stutzle/zegras

Then you got
Clarke Vs Drysdale or Zellweger if you are feeling extra spicey and want to piss off king fans.

Yeah that is what i mean, i don't see Byfield being as good as Zegras or Stutzle.
In Zegras 2nd year after being drafted he finished half a point per game, while Byfield 2nd year after being drafted he has really struggled.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Zegras > Byfield
McTavish > Turcotte
From what ive noticed Blake drafts are mostly all a bunch of consensus BPA picks.

The Kings don't pull any McTavishes, Seiders or Hampus Lindholms, it's always the picks that armchair GMs like that leads to them getting alot of praise.
I remember wanting Turcotte more than Zegras, good thing I'm not a scout.

I think Yzerman probably would have taken Stuztle if he had the #2 pick, just a hunch.

It's not even the high first rounders. Akil Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo, Grans, Faber, etc. It's why I've been skeptical of all the buzz at their unrivaled prospect pool, it all seemed to be based on them "winning" drafts as opposed to how those guys were coming along.

And yeah, it's too early to write off Turcotte and especially Byfield but I dunno, the red flags were there and the returns are really bad.

 

[Sean Garrity]

It's not even the high first rounders. Akil Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo, Grans, Faber, etc. It's why I've been skeptical of all the buzz at their unrivaled prospect pool, it all seemed to be based on them "winning" drafts as opposed to how those guys were coming along.

And yeah, it's too early to write off Turcotte and especially Byfield but I dunno, the red flags were there and the returns are really bad.

Faber is their best defensive prospect IMO. Dude impressed on team USA and was nasty at Minnesota. He'll be better than Clarke. Overall though you're right, I think the Kings are in a horrible spot. They had this great surprising year carried by vets, while none of their young players significantly progressed. I think they're gonna be irrelevant, possibly exciting (but that's not the Kings' style) up until maybe 4 years as they try to repair the damage that has been done.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Faber is their best defensive prospect IMO. Dude impressed on team USA and was nasty at Minnesota. He'll be better than Clarke. Overall though you're right, I think the Kings are in a horrible spot. They had this great surprising year carried by vets, while none of their young players significantly progressed. I think they're gonna be irrelevant, possibly exciting (but that's not the Kings' style) up until maybe 4 years as they try to repair the damage that has been done.

I don't think they're in a horrible spot, but yeah, there's definitely some major cause for concern and their future looks a lot less bright than it did even a year ago.

I also am really skeptical on Faber haha. He's small and his lack of production is alarming. I think there's a very real limit on how good he can be.

 

[Terry Yake]

 

[dracom]

Leafs get another hometown discount.

 

[duckaroosky]

Leafs get another hometown discount.

That's $400k/yr per knee

 

[bsu]

Detroit got 2 huge pillars in Seider and Edvinsson. If they can find some centers they gonna be good for a while.

 

[bsu]

Dylan Guenther is having himself a playoff similar to McTavish, both players can absolutely rip it.

 

[Static]

Both comtois and steel were part of this team.

 

[Arthuros]

Both comtois and steel were part of this team.

Apparently there's a good chance that all of the perpetrators were in the CHL at the time - since it took place at a bar, someone did the work and narrowed it down:

Kyrou, Hart, Comtois, Clague, Foote, Timmins, Bean, Thomas, Formenton, Steel, Howden, McLeod, Raddysh, Katchouk.

Not exactly insignificant names on there, and we're talking at least 8 perpetrators.

 

[Static]

Apparently there's a good chance that all of the perpetrators were in the CHL at the time - since it took place at a bar, someone did the work and narrowed it down:

Kyrou, Hart, Comtois, Clague, Foote, Timmins, Bean, Thomas, Formenton, Steel, Howden, McLeod, Raddysh, Katchouk.

Not exactly insignificant names on there, and we're talking at least 8 perpetrators.

Yeah, it's not good.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Apparently there's a good chance that all of the perpetrators were in the CHL at the time - since it took place at a bar, someone did the work and narrowed it down:

Kyrou, Hart, Comtois, Clague, Foote, Timmins, Bean, Thomas, Formenton, Steel, Howden, McLeod, Raddysh, Katchouk.

Not exactly insignificant names on there, and we're talking at least 8 perpetrators.

A lawsuit like that could cause a player to be out of shape over the stress of it and effect their play on ice.
Now that the suit is settled that player probably would be playing better now if they playing in any games lately. That makes me very suspicious about one player.

That is 14 names and including 2 Ducks and they say it's 8 out of that 14.
High chance at least one of the Ducks is part of that 8.

Does not look good at all.
Absolutely terrible.
Why did the incident lead to no arrests and no a criminal court and trial ?

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

A lawsuit like that could cause a player to be out of shape over the stress of it and effect their play on ice.
Now that the suit is settled that player probably would be playing better now if they playing in any games lately. That makes me very suspicious about one player.

That is 14 names and including 2 Ducks and they say it's 8 out of that 14.
High chance at least one of the Ducks is part of that 8.

Does not look good at all.
Absolutely terrible.
Why did the incident lead to no arrests and no a criminal court and trial ?

It's possible there was no proof and it was her word against theirs. I'd be interested to see if there would be any details released to the public, but I doubt that will happen since the case has been dropped.

 

[Quack Shot]

If either Duck is involved with it, then get them off this team.

 

[bsu]

If either Duck is involved with it, then get them off this team.

Facts

 

[Static]

 

[AngelDuck]

Let’s not defame anyone’s character until we know more about it. Sounds really bad though for those involved, as it should be

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Let’s not defame anyone’s character until we know more about it. Sounds really bad though for those involved, as it should be

Yeah I think I rushed to judgment too soon.
Got to see how this unfolds, the one red flag in the case is its a settled civil lawsuit and the accuser chose to not talk to police and file criminal complaint or press criminal charges, then there is the fact there is 8 accused which increases the payout in a settlement and also makes it seem they arent scared of who their accusing. A criminal case would mean the accuser could face perjury if lying under oath in a criminal court and if it's false accusations they would be smart to file lawsuit for money instead.

If the accuser was heavily intoxicated how were they able to remember all 8 of their faces ? 2 to 3 or so I'd find believable in remembering.
Also there may be a issue where some of the accused players may want to settle the lawsuit because they dont know if some of their teammates commited sexual assault or not and those same teammates may be thinking the same thing so they end all agreeing to settle it.

Let's also remember the Kobe Bryant case where the accuser was more focused on a payout than criminal charges that were dropped due to lack of actual evidence and mentally unreliable accuser who had recently been in mental hospitals before the incident took place suggesting serious mental illness that could make a person delusional of what really happened.

Another concern is that if we simply discard players based on accusations who have not been arrested and charged in a criminal case then this could lead to fans of one playoff team to make false accusations to destroy a rival teams playoff run or someone doing it just because they want to influence outcome in sports.

Timing is interesting too considering Makar is in the playoffs on a cup contending team and 1 win away from conference finals

 

[Paul4587]

Timing is interesting too considering Makar is in the playoffs on a cup contending team and 1 win away from conference finals

Makar wasn’t a CHL player so think that clears him doesn’t it? Thomas and Kyrou from the Blues were though.

 

[Deuce22]

Yeah I think I rushed to judgment too soon.
Got to see how this unfolds, the one red flag in the case is its a settled civil lawsuit and the accuser chose to not talk to police and file criminal complaint or press criminal charges, then there is the fact there is 8 accused which increases the payout in a settlement and also makes it seem they arent scared of who their accusing. A criminal case would mean the accuser could face perjury if lying under oath in a criminal court and if it's false accusations they would be smart to file lawsuit for money instead.

If the accuser was heavily intoxicated how were they able to remember all 8 of their faces ? 2 to 3 or so I'd find believable in remembering.
Also there may be a issue where some of the accused players may want to settle the lawsuit because they dont know if some of their teammates commited sexual assault or not and those same teammates may be thinking the same thing so they end all agreeing to settle it.

Let's also remember the Kobe Bryant case where the accuser was more focused on a payout than criminal charges that were dropped due to lack of actual evidence and mentally unreliable accuser who had recently been in mental hospitals before the incident took place suggesting serious mental illness that could make a person delusional of what really happened.

Another concern is that if we simply discard players based on accusations who have not been arrested and charged in a criminal case then this could lead to fans of one playoff team to make false accusations to destroy a rival teams playoff run or someone doing it just because they want to influence outcome in sports.

Timing is interesting too considering Makar is in the playoffs on a cup contending team and 1 win away from conference finals

As the woman wouldn't talk to police or to the Canada Hockey investigator and declined to identify the 8, I guess the only way names would come out is if some of the players ratted out others. These types of cases are so difficult to know for sure what went on. We all want justice for the victim, but sometimes it's not that simple. I guess we'll have to wait for the NHL investigation to see what is next. Here's hoping that Steel or Comtois were not involved.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

As the woman wouldn't talk to police or to the Canada Hockey investigator and declined to identify the 8, I guess the only way names would come out is if some of the players ratted out others. These types of cases are so difficult to know for sure what went on. We all want justice for the victim, but sometimes it's not that simple. I guess we'll have to wait for the NHL investigation to see what is next. Here's hoping that Steel or Comtois were not involved.

There could be more players involved in it because its really hard to remember more than 8 faces while very intoxicated 4 years ago.

Makar wasn’t a CHL player so think that clears him doesn’t it? Thomas and Kyrou from the Blues were though.

The Thread on mainboards had his name in there.

Here is the roster of the 2017-18 Canadian team. Some big names among them.

GK Colton Point
GK Carter Hart
D Jake Bean
D Conor Timmins
D Callan Foote
D Cale Makar
D Dante Fabbro
D Kale Clague
D Victor Mete
F Dillon Doube
F Jonah Gadjovich
F Boris Katchouk
F Maxime Comtois
F Taylor Raddysh
F Drake Batherson
F Michael McLeod
F Brett Howden
F Sam Steel
F Alex Formenton
F Jordan Kyrou
F Robert Thomas


A good 1/3 of them would have part of this. Disgusting. I hope for the sake of the innocent that the names of the guilty DO LEAK, so the ones not involved don't have their careers clouded in suspicion.

Makar is the most high profile name on the list. Several from the Blues, Lightning and Avalanche on there.

 

[Paul4587]

There could be more players involved in it because its really hard to remember more than 8 faces while very intoxicated 4 years ago.

The Thread on mainboards had his name in there.


Makar is the most high profile name on the list. Several from the Blues, Lightning and Avalanche on there.

They have him on the roster but there was something in the article that implied that it was all CHL players involved.

Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever know the facts here, it’s a horrible situation and another black mark on hockey.

 

[Static]

If bergeron retires Boston is in some real trouble.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

If bergeron retires Boston is in some real trouble.

My guess is they're going to Kucherov the cap with Marchand on LTIR. They only have just over $2 million in cap right now and that's without Bergeron.