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Around the League 2020-21 part 2 *Insert funny thread title here* edition

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kilowatt said:
I've been watching the Kings since the late 90's, and the Kovalchuk era is probably the worst hockey I've seen them play. Especially that Desjardins + Kovalchuk combo.
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Been watching the since the 60s and Kovi’s two years weren’t close to being the worst. I do think that WD40 was one of their worst coaches in their history - amazing how fast he lost the room.
But we should be heading into some memorable years very soon.
 
Anguyen92 said:
All right, I can concede to that line of thought.
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I rarely missed going to a home game--and I mean rarely--until the last two seasons and I've had seats since 2001-02. I was front and center for the playoff drought but the games were still fun to go to. The 2019 and '20 seasons were a nightmare though.
 
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I will say that I'm super, super impressed with what Blake, Luc, Yannetti, and crew have been able to build in such a short period of time. Smart drafting, smart trading, smart everything. A three year rebuild? I'll take it. Even if we don't make the playoffs this year, we know there are good times ahead.
 
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kilowatt said:
I will say that I'm super, super impressed with what Blake, Luc, Yannetti, and crew have been able to build in such a short period of time. Smart drafting, smart trading, smart everything. A three year rebuild? I'll take it. Even if we don't make the playoffs this year, we know there are good times ahead.
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It's gravy either way right now. Playoffs are great. A Lotto pick would be a neice piece too. Happy to see a push and improvement.
 
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kilowatt said:
I will say that I'm super, super impressed with what Blake, Luc, Yannetti, and crew have been able to build in such a short period of time. Smart drafting, smart trading, smart everything. A three year rebuild? I'll take it. Even if we don't make the playoffs this year, we know there are good times ahead.
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This is the 3rd season of the rebuild, even though it didn't technically start until the Muzzin trade midway through the 2019 season. I don't believe they will make the playoffs this season but, even if they do, I wouldn't call it a three year rebuild because it isn't over. I think Lombardi's rebuild saw the playoffs in Year 4 which is what I have Blake's pegged at. Is a rebuild merely making the playoffs or is it to be a real contender? I think Lombardi viewed it as the latter with his 5-year plan. He got through the five years and what we saw were two first round playoff exits.

This isn't me raining on Blake's parade but rather throwing some cold water on the idea of a three year rebuild. Lot of time left for him to pull this thing off correctly but, yes, everything appears to be going to plan so far. Of course, all highly touted prospects are going to be solid NHL players until they aren't. I think Blake will add a proven NHL player via trade or FA in the off-season and we can really start to see him have to make big-boy decisions v. simply accumulating prospects. Pretty sure that they will have more of a "playoffs or bust" mindset next season.
 
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kilowatt said:
I will say that I'm super, super impressed with what Blake, Luc, Yannetti, and crew have been able to build in such a short period of time. Smart drafting, smart trading, smart everything. A three year rebuild? I'll take it. Even if we don't make the playoffs this year, we know there are good times ahead.
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What Blake has done thus far is the easy part. Soon he will have to decide when it is the right time to pull the trigger on moving out some young assets, or high picks to augment the roster for a run as a Stanley Cup contender. This must happen soon, if it is to be believed they actually believe they can win a cup with Kopitar as the 1C.
 
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KINGS17 said:
What Blake has done thus far is the easy part. Soon he will have to decide when it is the right time to pull the trigger on moving out some young assets, or high picks to augment the roster for a run as a Stanley Cup contender. This must happen soon, if it is to be believed they actually believe they can win a cup with Kopitar as the 1C.
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Depending on how this season finishes, we might see it as soon as this offseason. I think it is more likely next offseason tho

Even though Seattle will help it a little, there will be a cap crunch and people might be available and we definitely have a stable of prospect depth
 
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All The Kings Men said:
Two random thoughts...

95-97 was bleeeeeeak

for my money... the rebuild started with the acquisition of Cal Petersen
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How so? Signing Kovalchuk means you aren't rebuilding. Draft picks and signings prior to that was basic build the pipeline stuff.

When you trade Muzzin for no immediate help, that's when you let everyone know that winning games is not the number one priority: collecting assets to routinely win games three years later and beyond is. That's the rebuild.
 
BigKing said:
How so? Signing Kovalchuk means you aren't rebuilding. Draft picks and signings prior to that was basic build the pipeline stuff.

When you trade Muzzin for no immediate help, that's when you let everyone know that winning games is not the number one priority: collecting assets to routinely win games three years later and beyond is. That's the rebuild.
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When you rebuild a team you keep some pieces and then build up around them. Sure they didn't start jettisoning players left and right until a year later but once Blake took over they stopped trading picks and prospects and started acquiring building blocks.

Petersen was the first piece (in my mind) that was brought in specifically to be a piece of the future just like Brown was drafted in 2003 but the "Lombardi build" didn't "start" until 2006. The first move in the making of the 2012 Cup champs was Brown.

You're marking the rebuild from the crest of the wave. I'm just choosing to mark it from the little ripple out in the middle of the ocean.
 
All The Kings Men said:
When you rebuild a team you keep some pieces and then build up around them. Sure they didn't start jettisoning players left and right until a year later but once Blake took over they stopped trading picks and prospects and started acquiring building blocks.

Petersen was the first piece (in my mind) that was brought in specifically to be a piece of the future just like Brown was drafted in 2003 but the "Lombardi build" didn't "start" until 2006. The first move in the making of the 2012 Cup champs was Brown.

You're marking the rebuild from the crest of the wave. I'm just choosing to mark it from the little ripple out in the middle of the ocean.
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If you're going that way, the 2003 deadline came before Brown. An additional 1st rd pick in 2003, and Gleason, who turned into JMFJ, who turned into Carter.

Although then they got Robitaille, Klatt, and Stumpel later that summer. Traded for Straka in Nov that year.
 
BigKing said:
I rarely missed going to a home game--and I mean rarely--until the last two seasons and I've had seats since 2001-02. I was front and center for the playoff drought but the games were still fun to go to. The 2019 and '20 seasons were a nightmare though.
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Yep. Been watching since the early 90s. I have almost no recollection of the 19 and 20 seasons because I watched maybe a dozen games total across BOTH seasons. Just pathetic, uninspired hockey.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
If you're going that way, the 2003 deadline came before Brown. An additional 1st rd pick in 2003, and Gleason, who turned into JMFJ, who turned into Carter.

Although then they got Robitaille, Klatt, and Stumpel later that summer. Traded for Straka in Nov that year.
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OK.
 
Some division stats as of 3/21

* = Drop the highest and lowest team value from each division, eg, in the West, you drop Colorado and Anaheim for the goals for. To see what how much extremes affect averages

Bold text are leaders

Central
Avg:
715 goals for, 89.38 gf/team, 2.93 gf/game (as division avg)
715 goals against, 89.38 ga/team, 2.93 ga/game (as division avg)

Avg*:
534 goals for (182 games played), 89 gf/team, 2.93 gf/game (as division avg)
539 goals against (182 games played), 89.83 ga/team, 2.96 ga/game (as division avg)

East
Avg:
690 gf, 86.25 gf/team, 2.90 gf/game
690 ga, 86.25 ga/team, 2.90 ga/game

Avg*:
523 gf (178 games played), 87.17 gf/team, 2.94 gf/game
519 ga (181 games played), 86.5 ga/team, 2.87 ga/game

West
Avg:
690 gf, 86.25 gf/team, 2.90 gf/game
690 ga, 86.25 ga/team, 2.90 ga/game

Avg*:
522 gf (177 games played), 87 gf/team, 2.95 gf/game
517 ga (178 games played), 86.17 ga/team, 2.90 ga/game

North
Avg:
696 gf, 99.43 gf/team, 3.05 gf/game
696 ga, 99.43 ga/team, 3.05 ga/game

Avg*:
493 gf (162 games played), 98.6 gf/team, 3.04 gf/game
483 ga (163 games played), 96.6 ga/team, 2.96 ga/game

I'm pretty sure the addition is correct...but within every division, they have the same number of goals for as goals against. :huh:

The north division goals for average is higher than the team with the most goals for in the West, Colorado at 97 gf lol
 
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