Around the League 2020-21 part 2 *Insert funny thread title here* edition

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Dangerous play, Pesce got $5000 fine, but should have been suspended, I think. NHL has to crack down on stunts like that..



slew foot is one of the most dangerous things you can do. Sometimes legs get crossed and you battle with your arms and it looks like a slew, but really was unintentional. this was intentional and Fabbri is very lucky. Honestly this should be 5 games.
 
don't see how one relates to the other

Because Sutter knows all about Doughty and how he gets rattled. He’s aware of Drew’s long history of whining and acting like an actual child when he’s frustrated. To Drew’s credit he seems to be doing less of that this season but there’s no doubt in my mind that Sutter would to try and throw Drew off his game.
 
Because Sutter knows all about Doughty and how he gets rattled. He’s aware of Drew’s long history of whining and acting like an actual child when he’s frustrated. To Drew’s credit he seems to be doing less of that this season but there’s no doubt in my mind that Sutter would to try and throw Drew off his game.

for sure he can try....I look back at the game in calgary that Drew scored the OT winner on. He took over that game with a King's team that is far less skilled than todays, let alone next years. Point is Drew rose above it and instead of getting rattled he increased his level of play.

the true battle with be Sutter will be vs Brown IMO. Also Sutter vs McLellan, Sutter seemed to have McLellan's number when they were with LA and San Jose respectively. Will be interesting to see how the systems do with their new teams.
 
as bad as i feel for seabrook personally, that org has lost any hope of me believing that they're not just doing creative accounting
 
as bad as i feel for seabrook personally, that org has lost any hope of me believing that they're not just doing creative accounting

Except this has been two season of Seabrook trying to play through injury. He is a warrior, and this one 100% seems legit to me.

Also 100% get the skepticism.
 
Seabrook done. this is not a Hoss Jersey allergy this one seems legit. He wanted to keep playing but his body was done.
Wait, the Hawks get out of another horrible contract with no penalty?...this contract is the worst in hockey.
 
Except this has been two season of Seabrook trying to play through injury. He is a warrior, and this one 100% seems legit to me.

Also 100% get the skepticism.
i have no doubt that the injuries are legit and again i feel horrible for him personally. a shoulder surgery and double hips in like 6 months? probably agonizing for an athlete and no org is gonna perform unnecessary procedures on their players..

it's just not too far out of left field to think they're just like "hey, you're in pain obviously, your play's declining, get your surgeries while you're still under contract and we'll see if you can make it back" instead of letting him tough it out. it's not that i want to punish them for being proactive about repairing their players but it's awful convenient that it happens to provide so much cap relief when they're in the mix
 
Wait, the Hawks get out of another horrible contract with no penalty?...this contract is the worst in hockey.

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Not only is his contract worse, just look at him...
 
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i have no doubt that the injuries are legit and again i feel horrible for him personally. a shoulder surgery and double hips in like 6 months? probably agonizing for an athlete and no org is gonna perform unnecessary procedures on their players..

it's just not too far out of left field to think they're just like "hey, you're in pain obviously, your play's declining, get your surgeries while you're still under contract and we'll see if you can make it back" instead of letting him tough it out. it's not that i want to punish them for being proactive about repairing their players but it's awful convenient that it happens to provide so much cap relief when they're in the mix

I remember reading something last year that the Hawks wanted to LTIR him but he refused wanting to prove he could still play. That's why I think this is legit, Seabrook signing off is huge.
 
It's still an abuse of what LTIR was meant to be. Everyone either does it or will do it as needed, but long term wasn't supposed to be 5 years. It was supposed to be, oh, a guy gets a season ending injury, ok, we'll give you some breathing room so you can still try to win.

But with LTIR the way it operates, it gives teams an incentive to add a year to a contract to keep the cap hit down, while the player gets to collect a check.

If a guy is too hurt to ever play again, he should have to retire. The owner can pay him the money, whatever, it's just the up front advantage you get. Which is why the 7/8 year limit is a good thing, but even then, still too long when you're talking about 30 year olds. However, 30 year old UFAs are pretty much all that's available. That was the case in the pre-cap days too, but at least then guys were only getting short term deals, but that was because you could load up $21m in 3 years instead of 7.
 
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It's still an abuse of what LTIR was meant to be. Everyone either does it or will do it as needed, but long term wasn't supposed to be 5 years. It was supposed to be, oh, a guy gets a season ending injury, ok, we'll give you some breathing room so you can still try to win.

But with LTIR the way it operates, it gives teams an incentive to add a year to a contract to keep the cap hit down, while the player gets to collect a check.

If a guy is too hurt to ever play again, he should have to retire. The owner can pay him the money, whatever, it's just the up front advantage you get. Which is why the 7/8 year limit is a good thing, but even then, still too long when you're talking about 30 year olds. However, 30 year old UFAs are pretty much all that's available. That was the case in the pre-cap days too, but at least then guys were only getting short term deals, but that was because you could load up $21m in 3 years instead of 7.
So you want to force the guy to retire, the owner must pay him, and they suffer the cap hit? Why would the owners agree to that for a second?
 
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So you want to force the guy to retire, the owner must pay him, and they suffer the cap hit? Why would the owners agree to that for a second?

right under current scenrio contract would be covered by insurance (most of the time), player gets paid, and team gets cap relief. Win /win
 
I'm so happy that Sutter is back behind the bench I'm really tempted to buy the NHL package to follow the Flames the rest of the year. I just love everything about Daryl Sutter.

Sutter has to be the most entertaining personality in the NHL, along with the most boring style of hockey systems. Dump and Chase, pass to D, clog the net, look for rebounds, Center up high to help on backcheck, man to man in D zone. YAWN
 
I remember reading something last year that the Hawks wanted to LTIR him but he refused wanting to prove he could still play. That's why I think this is legit, Seabrook signing off is huge.

They were both legit, and anyone who says otherwise is clueless, especially with Hossa.

The piece by Scott Powers in The Athletic on Hossa was eye-opening, the guy was suffering from a severe form of eczema that made it impossible for him to play hockey anymore without greatly effecting his overall health and quality of life. Maybe this is personal to me because I have a daughter who also suffers from pretty severe eczema and it's lame to hear people minimize just what Hossa was going through on a daily basis to try and play hockey or insinuating he and Chicago were lying so Chicago could clear Hossa's pretty minimal cap hit from the books. The guy was making barely over $5m and was scoring at about a 30G, 50P pace his final year while being one of the better two-way wingers in the league.
 
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It's still an abuse of what LTIR was meant to be. Everyone either does it or will do it as needed, but long term wasn't supposed to be 5 years. It was supposed to be, oh, a guy gets a season ending injury, ok, we'll give you some breathing room so you can still try to win.

But with LTIR the way it operates, it gives teams an incentive to add a year to a contract to keep the cap hit down, while the player gets to collect a check.

If a guy is too hurt to ever play again, he should have to retire. The owner can pay him the money, whatever, it's just the up front advantage you get. Which is why the 7/8 year limit is a good thing, but even then, still too long when you're talking about 30 year olds. However, 30 year old UFAs are pretty much all that's available. That was the case in the pre-cap days too, but at least then guys were only getting short term deals, but that was because you could load up $21m in 3 years instead of 7.

The owners should have held out indefinitely for 5 year maximum contracts during the last CBA negotiation. For every Bergeron there are eight guys like Erik Karlsson and Mike Richards who completely fall off the face of the earth in the middle of huge, long-term contracts. It sucks for everyone except for those players, sucks for the fans, sucks for the coaches and GM's, sucks for the other players.

Richards contract would have only come off the books at the end of last season, let that sink in for a second.
 
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