Around the League 2019-20

[Peter James Bond II]

Turtles...whilst wearing WARRIOR gloves. Someone good with photoshop should make them say TURTLE

 

[Steve Zissou]

GOTTA SEE IT : Every Big Hit, Fight, & Crazy Goal From Wild Battle of Alberta + Post Game

 

[tbrown33]

Is Tkachuk an absolute punk? Yes. Don't like him. Reasons are obvious.

However, he laid out Kassian twice with hard, legal hits. Oilers fans disagree because nobody understands the f***ing rules, but principle point of contact on both hits were the body and Tkachuk doesn't leave his feet. DOPS will not suspend Tkachuk.

My problem is this thing in the NHL whenever a guy gets laid out clean, the hitter is then almost universally forced into a situation where he has to fight and go to the box for 5 or, in Tkachuk's case, turtle.

Tkachuk at times is asking for it, but I thought Kassian's response was gutless.

 

[KingsHockey24]

 

[KingsHockey24]

Is Tkachuk an absolute punk? Yes. Don't like him. Reasons are obvious.

However, he laid out Kassian twice with hard, legal hits. Oilers fans disagree because nobody understands the ****ing rules, but principle point of contact on both hits were the body and Tkachuk doesn't leave his feet. DOPS will not suspend Tkachuk.

My problem is this thing in the NHL whenever a guy gets laid out clean, the hitter is then almost universally forced into a situation where he has to fight and go to the box for 5 or, in Tkachuk's case, turtle.

Tkachuk at times is asking for it, but I thought Kassian's response was gutless.

Tkachuk took multiple strides for each hit on Kassian who was in some pretty vulnerable positions each time. He did not ease up.

Kassian beat his ass and rightfully so. Can't be taking runs like that and not expect to drop the gloves.

 

[tbrown33]

Tkachuk took multiple strides for each hit on Kassian who was in some pretty vulnerable positions each time. He did not ease up.

Kassian beat his ass and rightfully so. Can't be taking runs like that and not expect to drop the gloves.

Nope, Tkachuk was gliding into each hit. And Kassian had the puck in his possession both times, with his head down.

Above: he's already stopped making strides and is into a full glide about 10 feet away from Kassian. Not a charge.

Above: same. Doesn't take any more strides. In fact, Tkachuk even turns his body and hits Kassian squarely.

Tkachuk plays on the edge and sure, we can qualify him as a punk player. But these hits were fine. JFC I can't believe I'm defending Tkachuk but I'm just being objective.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Nope, Tkachuk was gliding into each hit. And Kassian had the puck in his possession both times, with his head down.
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Above: he's already stopped making strides and is into a full glide about 10 feet away from Kassian. Not a charge.

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Above: same. Doesn't take any more strides. In fact, Tkachuk even turns his body and hits Kassian squarely.
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Tkachuk plays on the edge and sure, we can qualify him as a punk player. But these hits were fine. JFC I can't believe I'm defending Tkachuk but I'm just being objective.

Yeah and Steve Downie "glided" into this hit as well just after taking multiple strides .



Tkachuk got what was coming. We need more of this to take care of the rats in the league. My applause goes to Kassian.

 

[tbrown33]

Yeah and Steve Downie "glided" into this hit as well just after taking multiple strides .



Tkachuk got what was coming. We need more of this to take care of the rats in the league. My applause goes to Kassian.

lol wow completely different hit

- head is principle point of contact
- launches up and FLIES into him, leaving his feet by an egregious amount. like holy shit man.

c'mon man, not even comparable

 

[KingsHockey24]

lol wow completely different hit

- head is principle point of contact
- launches up and FLIES into him, leaving his feet by an egregious amount. like holy **** man.

c'mon man, not even comparable

I guess we'll agree to disagree then.

If you want a league where you can take runs at players and not have to pay the consequences then go ahead.

I'll gladly take having the Kassians/Cliffords/MacDermids patrolling the ice.

 

[tny760]

they were both technically clean hits but he knows very well that they're predatory when kassian is engaged with giordano

they don't have to either be clean or gutless, they can be both. turtling after taking runs like those is grade A chickenshit and he knows it

i can only hope someday someone gives him the tie domi elbow and he learns something about being a tough guy

 

[tbrown33]

I guess we'll agree to disagree then.

If you want a league where you can take runs at players and not have to pay the consequences then go ahead.

I'll gladly take having the Kassians/Cliffords/MacDermids patrolling the ice.

I want a league where not every clean hit has to result in the guy who gets hit throwing a f***ing hissy fit and trying to fight immediately. This goes outside of Kassian - Tkachuk. Again, Tkachuk is a gutless punk in his own right but watching a guy get ragdolled over hitting someone cleanly is ridiculous.

they were both technically clean hits but he knows very well that they're predatory when kassian is engaged with giordano

they don't have to either be clean or gutless, they can be both. turtling after taking runs like those is grade A chicken**** and he knows it

i can only hope someday someone gives him the tie domi elbow and he learns something about being a tough guy

Sure, turtling is dumb, and Tkachuk is indeed spineless! but I'm not arguing for or against Tkachuk's reaction to Kassian's reaction. I'm saying the reaction to getting hit cleanly is getting out of hand.

If Kassian wants to fight Tkachuk, square him up and ask him to go. Or, better yet, lay him out with a bodycheck at some point in the game. If you have the puck, which Kassian did, then know you risk taking a hard hit. And keep your f***ing head up. That's hockey.

 

[AzKing]

Someone will eventually take care of Tkachuk and hurt him. Just ask Ulf Samuelsson about NHL justice. The guy is making a lot of enemies. All it takes is one crazy guy to sweep the leg or go for the head.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Nope, Tkachuk was gliding into each hit. And Kassian had the puck in his possession both times, with his head down.
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Above: he's already stopped making strides and is into a full glide about 10 feet away from Kassian. Not a charge.

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Above: same. Doesn't take any more strides. In fact, Tkachuk even turns his body and hits Kassian squarely.
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Tkachuk plays on the edge and sure, we can qualify him as a punk player. But these hits were fine. JFC I can't believe I'm defending Tkachuk but I'm just being objective.

Oh, I'll find you the clips of those ones. Sure 'stopped making strides and into a full glide' after leaving the high slot to take 10 steps at an opponent who--even in the freeze frame--is engaged enough with another opponent that it shows him with a handful of jersey. Those gifs don't show the distance Tkachuk came. I f***ing hate those hits from anyone--technically there's nothing in the rulebook about hitting an 'engaged' opponent but setting someone up on a tee with a hold so someone else can destroy them isn't really code. Like you said, 'technically' clean, but everyone knows what's happening here. He's pushing the red button and acting surprised.

I think everyone is with you that fights after clean hits are dumb but this probably isn't the best situation to use as illustrative of a wider phenomena.







I mean, distance traveled, hitting a tied up opponent, blasting the head...no one should be surprised.

I'm absolutely biased against Tkachuk but objectively those are borderline hits at best and a series of three of them means no one can play dumb about his intention or the result.

 

[KINGS17]

Yeah and Steve Downie "glided" into this hit as well just after taking multiple strides .



Tkachuk got what was coming. We need more of this to take care of the rats in the league. My applause goes to Kassian.

Not even close to the same type of hit.

 

[kovacro]

Don’t care for the guy but nothing wrong with Tkachuk’s hits last night.

Kassian has always been a bit of a mo-mo so those two can bludgeon each other to death for all I care.

 

[ujju2]

Hey folks. Oilers fan dropping in here. Love the support for Kass. For some context, this was from a game last year:



So that's twice now that Kassian has beat up the rat while he's turtled.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Devils have fired Ray Shero.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Maybe their next GM will be Uncle Daddy Brodeur. Or perhaps DL will get his shot again.

 

[BigKing]

Hits were clean. If you run a goon that hard twice, you'll have to answer or not answer and get fed.

Tkachuk chose the latter. That said, he knows what he's doing and would never fight Kassian. He will try to get him to take a major, however.

This changes nothing about how Doughty should fight Tkachuk. Kassian is a HW while Tkachuk is a light weight. If Doughty can wrestle an actual man in Thornton, he can square up with Matthew. After how he clawed and beat on Doughty earlier this year, Drew should want to fight the guy.

It's not like Doughty would be fighting the toughest Tkachuk. Matthew is third on that list behind Brady and, far and away, Keith.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Hits were clean. If you run a goon that hard twice, you'll have to answer or not answer and get fed.

Tkachuk chose the latter. That said, he knows what he's doing and would never fight Kassian. He will try to get him to take a major, however.

This changes nothing about how Doughty should fight Tkachuk. Kassian is a HW while Tkachuk is a light weight. If Doughty can wrestle an actual man in Thornton, he can square up with Matthew. After how he clawed and beat on Doughty earlier this year, Drew should want to fight the guy.

It's not like Doughty would be fighting the toughest Tkachuk. Matthew is third on that list behind Brady and, far and away, Keith.

Doughty would probably get dropped by Tkachuk.

Then we wouldn't hear the end of it. Not to mention the meme's it'd create.

 

[kovacro]

Leafs getting tuned up 6-1 midway through the 2nd. Panthers have 3 goals on 3 shots in the 2nd thus far.

Andersen chased from the net again. He’s been poor lately.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Leafs getting tuned up 6-1 midway through the 2nd. Panthers have 3 goals on 3 shots in the 2nd thus far.

Andersen chased from the net again. He’s been poor lately.

And not too long ago Leafs fans were planning a parade, proclaiming they’ll be the first Canadian team to end Canada’s Cup drought.

 

[AzKing]

Leafs are taking over for Edmonton in the "Getting the least out of the most" category. Just a fail on all levels.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Tampa loses to NJ, ending their winning streak. Oh boy, tuesday is gonna be ugly.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Kassian ragdolling Tkachuk was a thing of beauty.