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deeshamrock said:
Terrible choice (or lack thereof) by the official. Player down on the ice, injured and play continues and other team scores.


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While this is true, players will take advantage of this just like everything else. Imagine on the pp, a guy blocks it with his shin and is limping around , then they blow it down. the game would come to a crawl.

I do know they stop play for certain injures, but i guess they didn't feel it was warranted there.
 
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kingsfan28 said:
While this is true, players will take advantage of this just like everything else. Imagine on the pp, a guy blocks it with his shin and is limping around , then they blow it down. the game would come to a crawl.

I do know they stop play for certain injures, but i guess they didn't feel it was warranted there.
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Yeah they definitely f***ed up here.

But the reason this is an issue is because they let embellishment go elsewhere. This is where the integrity of the game becomes an issue. otherwise you could be comfortable blowing it dead anytime a guy goes down like that.
 
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am i the only one that feels like reaves' thread on the main board is a bit strange? everyone's calling him a plug and a goon, this that and the other but i don't think i've ever really seen him as a dirty player, he's just one of the last hard checking low-skill players left. i think he often skirts the edge on being late with hits and sometimes blows way past it but i think generally he hits clean

like i don't care for the guy, his attitude, his reactions to his penalties or really much about him but i don't think he's necessarily a dirty player, he's not out there sticking out knees and elbows every game
 
tny760 said:
am i the only one that feels like reaves' thread on the main board is a bit strange? everyone's calling him a plug and a goon, this that and the other but i don't think i've ever really seen him as a dirty player, he's just one of the last hard checking low-skill players left. i think he often skirts the edge on being late with hits and sometimes blows way past it but i think generally he hits clean

like i don't care for the guy, his attitude, his reactions to his penalties or really much about him but i don't think he's necessarily a dirty player, he's not out there sticking out knees and elbows every game
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That's because we're mostly good to him too. He plays by the code. He's dirty as shit to teams that are dirty to them but won't answer the bell. Watch when he plays San Jose. They do something gnarly, he'll be sure they know about it until Kane or someone else actually steps up. I hate him hitting our players, but I love how he plays.
 
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If Toronto doesn't make the playoffs, do the Leafs get a rebate from Marner, Matthews and Tavares?
 
The Leafs situation is interesting. I think its only a matter of time before the team gets blown up. Maybe they'll get lucky and get lightning in a bottle with a new coach, which I would think is coming soon according to insiders. But there salary cap situation is so screwed up, I would think that Dubas wouldn't be far behind Babcock in the unemployment line.
 
fivehole32 said:
The Leafs situation is interesting. I think its only a matter of time before the team gets blown up. Maybe they'll get lucky and get lightning in a bottle with a new coach, which I would think is coming soon according to insiders. But there salary cap situation is so screwed up, I would think that Dubas wouldn't be far behind Babcock in the unemployment line.
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The Toronto model is extremely flawed. I think St. Louis proved last season that balance throughout the lineup is the way to go. The Leafs are relying on 5-6 players to do not just the heavy lifting, but all of the lifting.
 
KINGS17 said:
The Toronto model is extremely flawed. I think St. Louis proved last season that balance throughout the lineup is the way to go. The Leafs are relying on 5-6 players to do not just the heavy lifting, but all of the lifting.
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Disagree that that is the "model" they went for.....when everyone is healthy, they have a deadly 3rd line with Kerfoot centering it, they are light on defense, but they've been that way for years while they are trying to develop their own.... they aren't relying on 5-6 players to do all the lifting, they have a solid solid 9, and a bottom 3 that knows the role.....issue is health, cohesiveness, can possibly see a coaching change before Christmas if it keeps up...
 
King'sPawn said:
Kings should trade Toffoli to them. They get another scorer and Toffoli gets to go to outings with Lucic :sarcasm:
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I do think it's funny that 'model teams' around here in TBL and TOR are no more than 5 pts ahead of us and neither in a playoff spot.
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People are still stuck in the we have to copy what the Red Wings are doing from over a decade ago mode. There is no model, the game is constantly evolving, with the salary cap and guaranteed contracts some moves have to be made, some moves are guesses and some moves are filled with hope. 5 years ago the Kings were the model, now the Kings look more like a Model T car in an F1 race.
 
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The contracts are what are hilarious in Toronto. I mean next year they won't be able to afford Muzzin and they gave up a 1st and a blue chip. Nylander on its face was an over payment for a luxury player, etc, etc. Honestly I think its hockey karma after the whole Tavares shafting the Islanders. I really like Matthews game, but I think there are dark times ahead for that franchise.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I do think it's funny that 'model teams' around here in TBL and TOR are no more than 5 pts ahead of us and neither in a playoff spot.
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I don't think Tampa Bay and Toronto are comparable. Tampa Bay did a much better job with their cap. They have gotten production and results in the regular season, but they lack the grit to win in the playoffs. Not recognizing that was TB's biggest mistake. Using to much of the cap to sign three or four players is Toronto's big mistake.

Both of these teams are trying to get by on the cheap with their defensemen. Not a good idea.
 
The Tikkanen said:
People are still stuck in the we have to copy what the Red Wings are doing from over a decade ago mode. There is no model, the game is constantly evolving, with the salary cap and guaranteed contracts some moves have to be made, some moves are guesses and some moves are filled with hope. 5 years ago the Kings were the model, now the Kings look more like a Model T car in an F1 race.
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The Kings failed when they didn't refresh the roster. For all the consulting Dean did with teams from other major sports that had "dynasties", he failed to recognize the amount of turnover in the roster.
 
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KINGS17 said:
The Kings failed when they didn't refresh the roster. For all the consulting Dean did with teams from other major sports that had "dynasties", he failed to recognize the amount of turnover in the roster.
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Another narrative that isn't right, you can't just look at a roster and go, oh, they had 25% turnover without recognizing the type of turnover, star/mid star, producing players weren't turned over.....it was your bottom 6, bottom 3 D, backup G that was turned over in the majority of the cases.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Another narrative that isn't right, you can't just look at a roster and go, oh, they had 25% turnover without recognizing the type of turnover, star/mid star, producing players weren't turned over.....it was your bottom 6, bottom 3 D, backup G that was turned over in the majority of the cases.
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And honestly, how do you just turn to Kopitar, Quick, Carter and others and just say thanks for the hard work, pack your bags? A couple of those jerseys are going into the rafters one day.
 
Lafrieniere got kicked out of a game for abuse of an official, and will likely be suspended. Interesting to see how that affects the draft. His PPG pace slowed significantly from the beginning of the season. Still on pace for 140ish points across a full season, though.
 
You can point to resigning Greene, Martinez, Toffoli and Pearson as missed opportunities to turn over the roster.
 
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DoktorJeep said:
You can point to resigning Greene, Martinez, Toffoli and Pearson as missed opportunities to turn over the roster.
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Toffoli and Pearson were still young after the Cup wins with lots of promise, it wasn't until a couple of seasons later where they started to lose their drive to play hard. I know Sutter got on their case quite a bit and would cut their ice time down when the effort wasn't there. The right time to move them was probably two years ago, but unfortunately they played so poorly the following year that Pearson devalued himself and nobody would give anything worth a damn for Toffoli.

I think the missed opportunities were hanging onto guys like Stoll and Richards way after their expiration dates had passed, and having nothing in the pipeline to come in and overtake some of those spots they were looking to fill. There was no replacement for Justin Williams, they had many various centers to try to fill the Richards/Stoll/Fraser/Richardson spots and none of them stuck, they had nobody come up to fill any of the blueline vacancies left from the departures of Mitchell, Voynov, Regehr and eventually Greene. Thus, the organization was just completely deplete of any depth.

No team is going to sustain any type of success with that strategy, but at least these mishaps came after a successful run.
 
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