Around the League 2019-20 Pt. 2

[fivehole32]

As far as Van is concern I think they can make adjustments and beat VGK, but man the Knights did to Vancouver last night what I thought the Blues would do to them.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I am sure if Mike Milbury would have said, "Yeah and no worries of distraction by their significant other." it probably would have been okay, but man this is another silly one. I don't enjoy listening to Milbury during games honestly, but its something for everyone to get angered about. People have to get angry about something nowadays and post it on social media, even though we've heard it for years road trips how it brings the guys together and there are no distractions.

Which is what Forslund said. Milbury could have just literally kept his yap shut but he made it a point to interject about women specifically.

And that's the point--he had so many options of ways to say it including just not opening his mouth, but he had to go out of his way to reduce women to puck bunnies.

Again, this is not difficult, and people need to stop making it a society-is-soft thing--this is an HR nightmare for any company. It's not some faux-social outrage.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

As far as Van is concern I think they can make adjustments and beat VGK, but man the Knights did to Vancouver last night what I thought the Blues would do to them.

Exactly my thoughts, surprised they made the Blues look mortal and VGK like last year's Blues. Hopefully they can turn it into a long series, it still just counts as only one game!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What the NBA player said should have got him fined and suspended. If the races were reversed, there would have been a riot and lifetime ban.

Sigh.

1. This isn't the NBA forum.
2. The NBA not taking care of business appropriately has no bearing on the NHL.
3. There is a completely different, loaded history if the races were reversed that cannot be ignored.
4. Historically across sports "a riot and lifetime ban" is not true and just looks hyperbolic for the sake of martyrdom. Stop. You can't project that would be the case.

We're done with this part of the chat right here, right now.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Milbury should have been offered to apologize for his unprofessional comments on the air. If he didn’t, then good on NBC for removing him from the broadcast team. Similar to the Cherry incident. I think society has the most to learn from someone admitting fault and trying to move on.

 

[Master Yoda]

The overwhelming success of the bubble just goes to show how easy it is to contain this pandemic with universal, rapid testing and everyone following basic safety procedures.

Like, imagine if we could rapidly test every single person in an outbreak zone and quickly quarantine the positives. That's basically what they did in SK from the beginning, which is why they've been able to continue operating while idiots in America continue to complain about masks.

Just as we say that, cases in South Korea have spiked in the past few days. As good a job as they've been doing, it's just extremely difficult to keep this in control.

 

[BigKing]

If you missed the Jackson stuff, you have your eyes willfully closed. I literally posted a link. There was plenty of noise.

Also, let's not pretend the former doesn't happen: Riley Cooper vows apology to black teammates after slur

And let's be sure to distinguish between public reprimand and actual organizational discipline, as well as between leagues. Drew Brees getting yelled at by a bunch of people is different from an actual suspension or firing.

I'm not here to defend the NFL or NBA though, they have their own major sets of issues. Invoking different leagues doesn't do anything. NHL has been consistent on their line.

This is a lot more rebuffing than I expected about Mike f***ing Milbury, though. Wow.

In regards to Cooper, a lot has change since then. It is funny it is the same team and that they still have WR depth issues that make them not just cut ties with a player.

It's not about "missing the Jackson stuff" but rather not missing an ounce of it and stating that the response from his fellow black players and the league was pathetic. Is it really a "movement" or is it just about caring about what only directly impacts you and your family--because you are black--or a white person that needs to "look good" on social media to avoid being criticized? Case in point is what seemed like the entire league--both white and black--crushing Drew Brees for his comments about kneeling but Jackson can put this over-the-top shit out there and there was barely a peep. Bring it back to Desean's comments and you have self-appointed George Floyd family rep Stephen Jackson supporting Desean's comments! What the f***, right?!?!

I'm not "on the Right" and am registered Independent. I'm not one of these "reverse racism" guys which my comments about Luka could be interpreted as. If I see hypocrisy, however, then I'm going to call it out. I just think there is so much patronizing and corporate bullshit with all of it.

That ties in to Milbury. I don't think the people running the NHL on NBC care about what he said and we'll see that when he is back in his studio analyst spot next season. He also isn't actually sorry but, to be fair, he doesn't think he said anything wrong so he shouldn't be sorry. So this is the patronizing stuff but online SJW's are celebrating the fact that Milbury stepped away with stuff like "we did it!" when they didn't really do a damn thing.

I agree that Milbury sucks and he should not be on the air as an in-game color analyst. I don't care about the studio stuff because I don't really watch it but, dude, he is not good on the live broadcast. While it is a good thing he is no longer doing color, I don't like the argument that it doesn't matter why he is gone but rather it's just great that he is gone.

Nuance has died in the era of wokeness and cancel culture: you have to pick sides. This is really unfortunate since it leads to ineffective arguing and a hardening of one's pre-existing beliefs. If you argue against how this particular incident went down against Milbury, then you must like Mike Milbury and hate women. That's silly. When you say you didn't expect this much rebuffing about Mike Milbury, realize it isn't really about Mike Milbury.

 

[fivehole32]

I agree that Milbury sucks and he should not be on the air as an in-game color analyst.

He is awful at it.

As far as the rest of the broadcasts, they should have either had all of the broadcasters in the bubble or out. In some cases you have people in three different areas and they all step all over one another. When they showed the CBC/SN broadcasts Cuthbert and DeBrusk were in the booth together and I imagine the rest of the teams are in the booth together. They way NBC is doing it seems extremely disjointed. I forgive it because at least its live hockey, but damn it can be uncomfortable to hear at times.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

I’m predicting:

• COL in 6
• VAN in 6 (upset special)
• TB in 6
• NYI in 5

And this is why I never bet on sports. Guaranteed loss!!

 

[KingsFan7824]

The only choice left is Boston.

Never have, and never will, like Colorado. Vancouver and Vegas, obviously are not cheered for. I don't want TB to win. If the Islanders win it invalidates my opinion on them, so I don't want to be wrong. I guess if there had to be another option, it wouldn't be horrible if Dallas won. The only problem is Pavelski, and to a lesser extent Perry(because he already tainted the Cup once). I don't want Philly to win either, but, they could be a distant 3rd.

 

[BigKing]

The only choice left is Boston.

Never have, and never will, like Colorado. Vancouver and Vegas, obviously are not cheered for. I don't want TB to win. If the Islanders win it invalidates my opinion on them, so I don't want to be wrong. I guess if there had to be another option, it wouldn't be horrible if Dallas won. The only problem is Pavelski, and to a lesser extent Perry(because he already tainted the Cup once). I don't want Philly to win either, but, they could be a distant 3rd.

Islanders and Philly seem like the best options for me. Too bad they are playing each other.

Vegas is the worst option although I do prefer that either Vegas or Vancouver's first Cup win come with the biggest asterisk of all time attached to it.

I mean, you'll take the Cup but this is a joke. Never having to go in to someone else's building in the playoffs but getting a Cup is laughable.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

In regards to Cooper, a lot has change since then. It is funny it is the same team and that they still have WR depth issues that make them not just cut ties with a player.

It's not about "missing the Jackson stuff" but rather not missing an ounce of it and stating that the response from his fellow black players and the league was pathetic. Is it really a "movement" or is it just about caring about what only directly impacts you and your family--because you are black--or a white person that needs to "look good" on social media to avoid being criticized? Case in point is what seemed like the entire league--both white and black--crushing Drew Brees for his comments about kneeling but Jackson can put this over-the-top shit out there and there was barely a peep. Bring it back to Desean's comments and you have self-appointed George Floyd family rep Stephen Jackson supporting Desean's comments! What the f***, right?!?!

I'm not "on the Right" and am registered Independent. I'm not one of these "reverse racism" guys which my comments about Luka could be interpreted as. If I see hypocrisy, however, then I'm going to call it out. I just think there is so much patronizing and corporate bullshit with all of it.

That ties in to Milbury. I don't think the people running the NHL on NBC care about what he said and we'll see that when he is back in his studio analyst spot next season. He also isn't actually sorry but, to be fair, he doesn't think he said anything wrong so he shouldn't be sorry. So this is the patronizing stuff but online SJW's are celebrating the fact that Milbury stepped away with stuff like "we did it!" when they didn't really do a damn thing.

I agree that Milbury sucks and he should not be on the air as an in-game color analyst. I don't care about the studio stuff because I don't really watch it but, dude, he is not good on the live broadcast. While it is a good thing he is no longer doing color, I don't like the argument that it doesn't matter why he is gone but rather it's just great that he is gone.

Nuance has died in the era of wokeness and cancel culture: you have to pick sides. This is really unfortunate since it leads to ineffective arguing and a hardening of one's pre-existing beliefs. If you argue against how this particular incident went down against Milbury, then you must like Mike Milbury and hate women. That's silly. When you say you didn't expect this much rebuffing about Mike Milbury, realize it isn't really about Mike Milbury.

I guess the point I'm making on all of the above is that I'm not going to tell people how they can feel--if more people were more mad about Drew Brees' comments than they were about DeSean Jackson's, who am I to judge? Like I said in another post, I don't know if the NBC people go home and put on white hoods, I'm not privy to their inside character, etc. What I do know is that someone publicly being a douche is subject to consequences especially by employer. If you think it's a dog and pony show, that's fine, it's a media company, it's literally ALL for show, so if you have an idiot shooting his mouth off in a way that it makes an entire protected class uncomfortable, you know what's going to happen. I don't see how it's patronizing to sit a guy for conduct unbecoming.

When I say i didn't expect much rebuffing about Mike Milbury, what I mean is everyone knows Mike Milbury, he's not a soft-spoken gentleman with no history of being a dick, and it's small potatoes, he's just sitting out, it's not jailtime. So people rushing to his defense is a little surprising is all. Don't make this more than it is. Mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Colorado > Philly > NYI > Van > Dallas > Boston > TBL >>>>>>VGK for me.

The Mackinnon show is fun as hell to watch and as far as I'm concerned Colorado fans have paid their penance for being born on 3rd.

Philly is still my favorite east team, i didn't really think they had a legit shot but it's nice to see them battle. Carter Hart is the next big game money goalie.

NYI is just so harmless in the NHLscape for me. We're not a New York area team so they've left us alone haha and rooted for us vs NYR and NJD so.

Vancouver is also fun to watch and they've been humbled since 2011 as well so it's all good.

I have an irrational hate of Dallas the team even though I love so many of their players.

Boston...same thing. I love how they play, very 2012 Kings-East, pissing everyone off on the way. I just don't want the city to have any more nice sports things

TBL low key dirty. Hedman is a dick. Kucherov finally getting some attention for his shadiness. All the chest thumping since early this decade is getting old. I want them to crash and burn in the worst way, but they're too good.

VGK...again, just too good, and right in their prime. Just cannot understand how their antics keep getting overlooked, with the human helicopter rotor on their team.

 

[KINGS17]

I guess the point I'm making on all of the above is that I'm not going to tell people how they can feel--if more people were more mad about Drew Brees' comments than they were about DeSean Jackson's, who am I to judge? Like I said in another post, I don't know if the NBC people go home and put on white hoods, I'm not privy to their inside character, etc. What I do know is that someone publicly being a douche is subject to consequences especially by employer. If you think it's a dog and pony show, that's fine, it's a media company, it's literally ALL for show, so if you have an idiot shooting his mouth off in a way that it makes an entire protected class uncomfortable, you know what's going to happen. I don't see how it's patronizing to sit a guy for conduct unbecoming.

When I say i didn't expect much rebuffing about Mike Milbury, what I mean is everyone knows Mike Milbury, he's not a soft-spoken gentleman with no history of being a dick, and it's small potatoes, he's just sitting out, it's not jailtime. So people rushing to his defense is a little surprising is all. Don't make this more than it is. Mountain out of a molehill.

This is fine. People in a society shouldn't expect someone to apologize for their feelings though, and in the case of Brees I thought the criticism of him was over the top.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This is fine. People in a society shouldn't expect someone to apologize for their feelings though, and in the case of Brees I thought the criticism of him was over the top.

If you're free to shoot your mouth off publicly, you're free to endure other people shooting off criticism. Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence. Is the criticism of Brees over the top? That's your opinion, just like others who are voicing their displeasure have their opinion. You're absolutely free to be a dickwad in public and others can say whatever they want about it stopping short of threats to safety. But from an employer standpoint--when you do stuff like that, especially for a worldwide public media company with an audience of millions, if your employer doesn't approve, too bad.

And again, this isn't Drew Brees model citizen we're talking about, this is Mike Milbury. With Drew Brees, you saw even teammates saying "I Love you man, but...". With Milbury, it's "god damnit not again, you idiot."

 

[jfont]

I predict Vegas vs Boston final with Boston winning another title.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Holy crap, that's nuclear.

 

[KINGS17]

If you're free to shoot your mouth off publicly, you're free to endure other people shooting off criticism. Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence. Is the criticism of Brees over the top? That's your opinion, just like others who are voicing their displeasure have their opinion. You're absolutely free to be a dickwad in public and others can say whatever they want about it stopping short of threats to safety. But from an employer standpoint--when you do stuff like that, especially for a worldwide public media company with an audience of millions, if your employer doesn't approve, too bad.

And again, this isn't Drew Brees model citizen we're talking about, this is Mike Milbury. With Drew Brees, you saw even teammates saying "I Love you man, but...". With Milbury, it's "god damnit not again, you idiot."

I didn't say they were not free to shoot off their mouths with criticism. IMO the criticism was hyperbolic.

 

[psych3man]

If you're free to shoot your mouth off publicly, you're free to endure other people shooting off criticism. Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence. Is the criticism of Brees over the top? That's your opinion, just like others who are voicing their displeasure have their opinion. You're absolutely free to be a dickwad in public and others can say whatever they want about it stopping short of threats to safety. But from an employer standpoint--when you do stuff like that, especially for a worldwide public media company with an audience of millions, if your employer doesn't approve, too bad.

And again, this isn't Drew Brees model citizen we're talking about, this is Mike Milbury. With Drew Brees, you saw even teammates saying "I Love you man, but...". With Milbury, it's "god damnit not again, you idiot."

If we're talking about benefiting employers, Brees was actually speaking for the millions and millions who stopped watching and attending NFL games, sending their record ratings and attendance into the shitter. The problem is his employer/league thinks they have to pander and punish rather than stand up for the millions who were turned off. The better marketing move was to defend Brees' right to voice his opinion. Just like if they left Milbury alone for speaking truth, none of us would be discussing this.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I didn't say they were not free to shoot off their mouths with criticism. IMO the criticism was hyperbolic.

Your issue is with the masses then, not the NHL.

If we're talking about benefiting employers, Brees was actually speaking for the millions and millions who stopped watching and attending NFL games, sending their record ratings and attendance into the shitter. The problem is his employer/league thinks they have to pander and punish rather than stand up for the millions who were turned off. The better marketing move was to defend Brees' right to voice his opinion.

That's his employer's decision to make, good or bad. Agree?

Just like NHL/NBC decided Milbury needs a break.

 

[ru4reals]

Colorado>>>>Tampa is Who I want in the finals. Hate every other team especially Boston and Dallas. Colorado losing Grubauer is huge but hoping they pull it out. And if I see Marchand lift another cup I'm gonna puke.

 

[KopitarFAN]

I mean if they are planning on starting the season December/January, they may not have a choice unless things improve greatly in just 3 months.

 

[deeshamrock]

Flyers down 3-0 with over 7 min left and AV pulls the goalie, isles getthe EN right away.

AV showing why he'll never win a Cup.

that and the fact Thomspon should have rented a car and driven him and Braun out of the bubble on Saturday. Awful...they suck, the worse they play, the more ice time they get

 

[KINGS17]

Your issue is with the masses then, not the NHL.

I already said I had no problem with NBC firing Milbury.