Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

[KingsFan7824]

Yep, very good read.

But again, the skeptic in me will always say so, this has been going on since 2013, he had no problem toughing it out when making 8 million a year, then 4 million, then when the 1 million was all that was left, he hung em up.

Of course both have legitimate medical concerns, and I want these guys to have lives after hockey, but the situations are also too convenient to just nod and smile at.

It's no different than Richards. If he could still play, we either never hear about the border incident, or the Kings don't care about it, and Richards is in the lineup in October 2015. It's not like Lombardi was Mr. Morality all of a sudden.

None of this stuff is fake, just convenient. Granted, there's a fine line there, but that was/is the problem with the back diving contracts. All's fair in love and war, so if it's not against the rules, it's not against the rules. If you push the rules to their extreme though, and then certain things happen at certain times, it's just interesting. They should make the drop in salary a 75% limit instead of 50%. Hell, make every contract like Doughty's where he makes $12 in year 1, and $$11m in year 8.

 

[deeshamrock]

Maybe Marner is the best player on the team. Does that make him the most valuable player to the team's success though?

That's a great question. Given the money already committed to Tavares and Matthews, I would say no. They should accept the offer sheet, if one is there, take those 4 #1's, trade Kapanen and Kadri and outfit the team going forward.

He wants at least 11M per and that would cripple them, going forward. F or 11M, if I were them, I would rather have a legit top d, 7-8 M range and use the rest on filling holes.
You have two legit #1 centers, and they will make their wingers better. So you can have a top winger, not named Marner, and still build a deeper team that can achieve success.

 

[deeshamrock]

Burakovsky may not receive a qualifying offer from the Caps. He's 24, a former 1st round pick who has shown flashes of what he can do but hasn't really reached the potential he was drafted for.

He is coming off 2 rs/ 3 M per. I wonder what kind of contract he'll net? Would a change of scenery make the difference? How much does a GM put on his potential vs. stats.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

They made a huge mistake with Nylander, should have dealt him/his rights, for a top pairing Dman....and given the money to Marner.... now they are screwed, people say Matthews is the engine, but he's not, he's a cog, Marner is the true engine that runs that offense, both are very good players, but something about Marners play that just makes him better....to me.

 

[kovacro]

They made a huge mistake with Nylander, should have dealt him/his rights, for a top pairing Dman....and given the money to Marner.... now they are screwed, people say Matthews is the engine, but he's not, he's a cog, Marner is the true engine that runs that offense, both are very good players, but something about Marners play that just makes him better....to me.

Agreed on your points.

I’ve never been overly impressed with Nylander. He’s a pretty good hockey player but, I don’t see the commitment and hunger from him night in and night out. He can certainly be a liability in the defensive zone.

Marner is strong in all facets of the game. His instincts at both ends of the ice are high end.

He’s a guy you can put on the ice in pretty much any situation and be confident in.

Best player on that club.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The tricky part is all the young players getting their money now, instead of later. It makes sense to pay for 23 year old production instead of 30 year old production, but the old guys haven't been squeezed enough yet for that new balance to be met. The death of the bridge contract has created a lot of issues. Although the Leafs voluntarily having Tavares at $11m, when they knew they had large RFA contracts coming up, was a risk. They tried to win in their ELC window, and it didn't work. Much like Edmonton and Winnipeg. The Oilers have already taken a step back, and the Jets and Leafs probably will next year too, just without the Cup like Chicago had after 2010.

The cap does not make building a team easy.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The tricky part is all the young players getting their money now, instead of later. It makes sense to pay for 23 year old production instead of 30 year old production, but the old guys haven't been squeezed enough yet for that new balance to be met. The death of the bridge contract has created a lot of issues. Although the Leafs voluntarily having Tavares at $11m, when they knew they had large RFA contracts coming up, was a risk. They tried to win in their ELC window, and it didn't work. Much like Edmonton and Winnipeg. The Oilers have already taken a step back, and the Jets and Leafs probably will next year too, just without the Cup like Chicago had after 2010.

The cap does not make building a team easy.

Don't agree the Leafs will take a step back, with one move, they can really have a solid lineup that can compete for the cup, they need to trade Nylander for a top pairing D, then you run this out,

Hyman - Matthews - Kapanen
Marner - Tavares - Marleau
Brown - Kadri - Johnsson
Moore - Gauthier - Petan

Reilly - Player from Nylander deal
Muzzin - Dermott
Zaitsev - Holl

Anderson

There's 3-4 players they can bring instead of Holl, they can sign a UFA D etc...

That lineup contends, plain and simple

 

[kovacro]

Don't agree the Leafs will take a step back, with one move, they can really have a solid lineup that can compete for the cup, they need to trade Nylander for a top pairing D, then you run this out,

Hyman - Matthews - Kapanen
Marner - Tavares - Marleau
Brown - Kadri - Johnsson
Moore - Gauthier - Petan

Reilly - Player from Nylander deal
Muzzin - Dermott
Zaitsev - Holl

Anderson

There's 3-4 players they can bring instead of Holl, they can sign a UFA D etc...

That lineup contends, plain and simple

Just trading Nylander wouldn’t solve the cap issue. You figure in that trade the player coming back is going to make somewhere in the neighbourhood of, say $5 million. So maybe you save close to $2 million on that transaction. No one will take the Nylander salary without salary going out in return.

Then you have roughly $8-$9 million in space (cap is estimated to be around $81.5 million this year).

You still need to sign Marner, Johnsson and Kapanen.

Also, it’s ideal you head into the season with some cap space, say roughly $1.5 million. That’s for roster moves in case of injury or callup, maybe a small trade. You don’t want to have zero cap space.

I don’t see how your setup works without the Leafs moving out potentially two of Kapanen, Johnsson, Kadri, or Brown.

As of now, it looks like they are stuck with Marleau and if they deal Zaitsev, they will take back salary in his range. Can’t see them getting out of his deal free and clear.

 

[SFKingshomer]

How many teams have a top pairing D available for a player like Nylander? If I'm trading a stud defenseman then I want Matthews or Marner at the very least.

 

[deeshamrock]

Don't agree the Leafs will take a step back, with one move, they can really have a solid lineup that can compete for the cup, they need to trade Nylander for a top pairing D, then you run this out,

Hyman - Matthews - Kapanen
Marner - Tavares - Marleau
Brown - Kadri - Johnsson
Moore - Gauthier - Petan

Reilly - Player from Nylander deal
Muzzin - Dermott
Zaitsev - Holl

Anderson

There's 3-4 players they can bring instead of Holl, they can sign a UFA D etc...

That lineup contends, plain and simple

Except the can't afford to keep them all. Right now they have 7M in space with a bunch of expiring contracts. Kapanen will be paid, but it might not be in Toronto. Even moving Nylander (who I agree signing was a mistake) doesn't given them enough to get all the deals they need inked. 7 contracts to get inked, including Kapanen, Marner and, Gardnier . Moving Zaitsev (which is rumored, he wants out) and Nylander would get them some cash back but Marners 11M plus would eat up too much. 3 forwards at 33M, that's gonna sink a team.
I love Marner , and I'm sure they want to keep him, for every reason he's shown on the ice, but it's not realistic

 

[LAKings88]

Toronto has Tavares, Matthews, and Marner. Nylander is a good player too.

Now you trim the compliments. Kadri will be the casualty.

Zaitsev and Marleau are the problems.

If you’re gonna have three max guys tho, one should likely be a defenseman.

 

[deeshamrock]

Some tidbits from Vancouver ...

Dreger= Sakic slept on offer for Barrie , could be done today. Vancouver very interested
Seravalli – although the Oilers getting a ton of calls on Nurse, not looking to move him.
Dreger- Vesey and Nylander’s names are out there. Sabres moving their #31 pick

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Just trading Nylander wouldn’t solve the cap issue. You figure in that trade the player coming back is going to make somewhere in the neighbourhood of, say $5 million. So maybe you save close to $2 million on that transaction. No one will take the Nylander salary without salary going out in return.

Then you have roughly $8-$9 million in space (cap is estimated to be around $81.5 million this year).

You still need to sign Marner, Johnsson and Kapanen.

Also, it’s ideal you head into the season with some cap space, say roughly $1.5 million. That’s for roster moves in case of injury or callup, maybe a small trade. You don’t want to have zero cap space.

I don’t see how your setup works without the Leafs moving out potentially two of Kapanen, Johnsson, Kadri, or Brown.

As of now, it looks like they are stuck with Marleau and if they deal Zaitsev, they will take back salary in his range. Can’t see them getting out of his deal free and clear.

Nylander salary is 6.9 million....you replace that as you said with a player who has 2-3 years left on term, at 4-5 million, that's 2 million there, you dump Zaitsev, package your 1st next year if you have to, there are teams that will take him, that's 4.5 right so that,s 6.5 million added to the 7.7 they have right now, that,s 14.2 million in cap space, assume Marner gets 11 million of that, you have 3.2 million to sign Kapanen, and Johnsson. Gardiner is gone, can't bring him back....Johnsson in line for 1.5- 1.7 million maybe 2 million, if you get someone take Marleau's 6.25 million and you have to take 3 million on, there is Kapanen on a 2-3 year deal for 4.2 million,

They don't have to deal Kapanen, Johnsson, Kadri, or Brown.

Do what you can to dump Zaitsev and Marleau, they are in excellent shape for youth, they can afford to dump a 2nd on each deal and not get hurt

 

[kovacro]

Nylander salary is 6.9 million....you replace that as you said with a player who has 2-3 years left on term, at 4-5 million, that's 2 million there, you dump Zaitsev, package your 1st next year if you have to, there are teams that will take him, that's 4.5 right so that,s 6.5 million added to the 7.7 they have right now, that,s 14.2 million in cap space, assume Marner gets 11 million of that, you have 3.2 million to sign Kapanen, and Johnsson. Gardiner is gone, can't bring him back....Johnsson in line for 1.5- 1.7 million maybe 2 million, if you get someone take Marleau's 6.25 million and you have to take 3 million on, there is Kapanen on a 2-3 year deal for 4.2 million,

They don't have to deal Kapanen, Johnsson, Kadri, or Brown.

Do what you can to dump Zaitsev and Marleau, they are in excellent shape for youth, they can afford to dump a 2nd on each deal and not get hurt

Your lineup includes Zaitsev and Marleau so that’s what I based my reply on.

Your not getting rid of Zaitsev without taking back salary. I got no problem being wrong if it happens but, I don’t see it.

Johnsson gets more than what you are noting in my opinion. I think Kapanen gets closer to $5 million.

Dubas has work to do.

 

[kovacro]

Some tidbits from Vancouver ...

Dreger= Sakic slept on offer for Barrie , could be done today. Vancouver very interested
Seravalli – although the Oilers getting a ton of calls on Nurse, not looking to move him.
Dreger- Vesey and Nylander’s names are out there. Sabres moving their #31 pick

BUF/MIN idea...Nylander and #31 for Zucker.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Your lineup includes Zaitsev and Marleau so that’s what I based my reply on.

Your not getting rid of Zaitsev without taking back salary. I got no problem being wrong if it happens but, I don’t see it.

Johnsson gets more than what you are noting in my opinion. I think Kapanen gets closer to $5 million.

Dubas has work to do.

He definitely has to work to do, but regarding Johnsson, coming off his ELC, if he wants to stick, he's gonna have to go with a 2-3 year bridge....same with Kapanen, both of them had very similar seasons, if Kapanen gets 5M then Johnsson is gonna get close to that....Dubas has to work some magic to convince both of them to sign 2-3 year bridge deals, to allow time for contracts to expire.....

 

[kovacro]

Peter Chiarelli has been in talks with the Vancouver Canucks for a front office position, according to TSN's Pierre LeBrun.

Chiarelli, who was fired by the Oilers in Jan. 2019 after being hired by the organization in 2015, has worked with Canucks GM Jim Benning before when they were with the Boston Bruins. He has reportedly been speaking to other teams as well, though.
Source: TSN.ca

 

[TruKingFan]

Don't agree the Leafs will take a step back, with one move, they can really have a solid lineup that can compete for the cup, they need to trade Nylander for a top pairing D, then you run this out,

Hyman - Matthews - Kapanen
Marner - Tavares - Marleau
Brown - Kadri - Johnsson
Moore - Gauthier - Petan

Reilly - Player from Nylander deal
Muzzin - Dermott
Zaitsev - Holl

Anderson

There's 3-4 players they can bring instead of Holl, they can sign a UFA D etc...

That lineup contends, plain and simple

Zaitsev wants out so they need to fill that void too.

 

[deeshamrock]

Zaitsev wants out so they need to fill that void too.

Dubas said he wants a defenseman for kapanen and a center for Kadri

 

[kovacro]

Zaitsev wants out so they need to fill that void too.

That's an easier one to fill. They got guys that were in Toronto last year, notably Calle Rosen that could slot in on the bottom pair or you go out a bottom pair guy in FA for cheap on a 1-year deal.

They also signed Teemu Kivihalme who should compete for a spot in camp.

 

[deeshamrock]

Nylander salary is 6.9 million....you replace that as you said with a player who has 2-3 years left on term, at 4-5 million, that's 2 million there, you dump Zaitsev, package your 1st next year if you have to, there are teams that will take him, that's 4.5 right so that,s 6.5 million added to the 7.7 they have right now, that,s 14.2 million in cap space, assume Marner gets 11 million of that, you have 3.2 million to sign Kapanen, and Johnsson. Gardiner is gone, can't bring him back....Johnsson in line for 1.5- 1.7 million maybe 2 million, if you get someone take Marleau's 6.25 million and you have to take 3 million on, there is Kapanen on a 2-3 year deal for 4.2 million,

They don't have to deal Kapanen, Johnsson, Kadri, or Brown.

Do what you can to dump Zaitsev and Marleau, they are in excellent shape for youth, they can afford to dump a 2nd on each deal and not get hurt

They do have to move some of them out, they have 7 contracts expired and 7.7M. EVen if you do get that 7M back for Zaitev and Nylander trade, and Marner gets 11M, that leaves 3.2 to sign 6 players. Nobody is taking Marleau without a contract coming back.

And having 3 forwards eating up 41% of your CAP, is lunacy. And it weakens your team, and the depth at all positions, esp defense and center, that you need to go deep.

The minute they traded for Tavares, their fate was sealed.
The pieces that Dubas would have to move out would create holes that Marner cannot fill.

 

[deeshamrock]

 

[KINGS17]

Dubas said he wants a defenseman for kapanen and a center for Kadri

Send Martinez right over.

 

[LAKings88]

Send Martinez right over.

Makes to much sense.

 

[KINGS17]

They do have to move some of them out, they have 7 contracts expired and 7.7M. EVen if you do get that 7M back for Zaitev and Nylander trade, and Marner gets 11M, that leaves 3.2 to sign 6 players. Nobody is taking Marleau without a contract coming back.

And having 3 forwards eating up 41% of your CAP, is lunacy. And it weakens your team, and the depth at all positions, esp defense and center, that you need to go deep.

The minute they traded for Tavares, their fate was sealed.
The pieces that Dubas would have to move out would create holes that Marner cannot fill.

The price to take on Marleau's contract for a season is going up. Blake's patience may be paying off. The Kings may want to send a contract the other way, but it is not a necessity.

I wouldn't settle for less than a 1st and a good prospect now to take Marleau. In return the Kings can send a 7th round pick. The extra year and the NMC on Marleau's contract were ill-advised. Why did Toronto think they needed him in the first place is an equally good question.