Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

[YP44]

Yes, not winning after you choked several times is mediocre to me. They have wasted millions and several assets on guys that can't get the job done.

I would imagine all the winning and playoff games has also made their owner millions, so not really a waste

 

[KingsFan7824]

You peel the SJS label off and people are forced to confront reality.

Again, I think of how many fans here want the Kings to avoid being that team on one hand but praise San Jose for this garbage on the other, the dissonance around here is phenomenal. How pissed are people that we wiped out in the first round? Repeat that ad nauseum, except for a few times going further and still falling short with still zero Cups instead of two. I mean, people were ready to throw in the towl after 2010 and 2011...

I'll be the first to give Wilson props for longevity. Guy has made some blockbuster deals and constantly finds ways to get NHL players in the late first. But he's done 'not good enough' for way too long, too. We give DL/Blake crap for putting too much faith in this core? Wilson relied on Thornton/Marleau for over a decade. At some point, you have to think "this isn't working" and go another route.

If the Kings had more than 0 wins at home in the playoffs since Jazz Hands, it would be a lot easier to swallow going for it every year by selling at least one more little sliver of the future. When is the last time the Sharks quit before day 1 of training camp?

The Cup might have spoiled us as much as it did the players. Getting trashed in a 4 game sweep is one thing, but when it's sandwiched between the mess of 14-15, the uninspired 15-16 playoffs, the slog of 16-17, and then whatever this year was, that's not the same as the Sharks. Neither is the Cup.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Scuds hired by Preds for development. Predators hire Scuderi, Bordeleau, Rook as development coaches - Sportsnet.ca

Hope this works out for him/team.

 

[BigKing]

Of course we'd take the 2012-14 stretch.

Prior to 2012, we would have gladly traded places: especially while we were watching the playoffs at home for seven straight seasons.

Now we've been watching for three-out-of-five seasons and have been watching from home after Week 1 in the other two.

The Cups are the best thing ever and they can't take them away. Until SJ pulls it off, we'll always have that over them.

It's just insane how the Kings were supposed to be a dynasty and killed SJ's future in 2014. Since then, one playoff win for the Kings and a SCF/WCF for San Jose.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Scuds hired by Preds for development. Predators hire Scuderi, Bordeleau, Rook as development coaches - Sportsnet.ca

Hope this works out for him/team.

Scuderi seemed like a mentor type.

 

[KINGS17]

So they're saying the cap could be less than 82M now. That will put teams like Tampa and Toronto in an even more difficult position.

Don't worry the players will use their magic escalator again, then whine about the escrow they have to pay.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would imagine all the winning and playoff games has also made their owner millions, so not really a waste

Right, from an organizational standpoint, the "just make the playoffs and anything can happen" thing makes sense, because playoff revenue.

 

[BigKing]

Right, from an organizational standpoint, the "just make the playoffs and anything can happen" thing makes sense, because playoff revenue.

It also makes sense from SJ's standpoint because they've been seen as good enough to make noise in the playoffs as opposed to 3 goals in a four game sweep.

 

[Master Yoda]

I'm pretty sure if you told any of us in 2004 we could pick one of the following for the next 15 years:

1. Be pretty mediocre in general with a few short playoff runs but a three year run with two Stanley Cups and a WCF, vs.

2. Be the best regular season team of the era and almost always make the playoffs, going past the 2nd round once every few years, but never make it all the way

I could say confidently 90% of us would pick 1.

I'm not going to say the sharks have been mediocre, but I am going to say people put wayyyy too much stock in the regular season, and that San Jose constantly enters the playoffs a 'favorite' but falls on their faces, it's not like they're an underdog defying expectations, the VAST majority of those exits have been a great disappointment. How many years running have we had a "can anyone beat the Sharks?!?" thread?

I'd say more like 100% of us.

 

[Sol]

It also makes sense from SJ's standpoint because they've been seen as good enough to make noise in the playoffs as opposed to 3 goals in a four game sweep.

Increases very short term likelihood of success, and insures future highway to caphell bottom dwellers.

 

[BigKing]

Increases very short term likelihood of success, and insures future highway to caphell bottom dwellers.

Sure. They're already on that road before the EK signing so they need to double down.

If they pull it off, it will all be worth it in the end.

We have a team full of old guys on long contracts and this board was stoked on giving Kovy $6MM a year for three seasons after getting swept in the 1st round.

 

[Sol]

Sure. They're already on that road before the EK signing so they need to double down.

If they pull it off, it will all be worth it in the end.

We have a team full of old guys on long contracts and this board was stoked on giving Kovy $6MM a year for three seasons after getting swept in the 1st round.

And the thing is, they won't pull it off. We've seen champions and the Sharks dont have the balls to become one.

To be fair, 6mm for three years is a minor commitment for a team with space. People were happy that Kovy joined because the Kings got bent cause they couldn't score.


But nonetheless, John "High IQ" Stevens was cool with putting the guy with the booming shot as a screen instead.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I'm not going to say the sharks have been mediocre, but I am going to say people put wayyyy too much stock in the regular season

That's another sports debate. Does the sample size of a regular season mean anything? No, not in relation to actually winning when it really matters. However, if we're going to use those accumulated fancy stats for short bursts like the Kings had, to show how much better they were likely to be than their competition, then the actual on ice results from 1,230 games also can't mean nothing.

and that San Jose constantly enters the playoffs a 'favorite' but falls on their faces, it's not like they're an underdog defying expectations, the VAST majority of those exits have been a great disappointment. How many years running have we had a "can anyone beat the Sharks?!?" thread?

A lot. We've also been scared of them actually winning in 2 of the last 4 years. Did people ask how easy of a road they had after lucking out against Vegas? Colorado, and then a bunch of other teams that can't win from the ever dangerous but overhyped "Thunderdome"? That's it? That's all that stands in the way of complete depression?

If the Sharks can't win, then it didn't matter if people didn't want Vegas to win more playoff games. Vegas is actually a threat, that will only get better because they paid a bunch of guys before winning. We should never worry about the Sharks winning again(their new contracts will take care of that), even if they're in Game 7 OT of the Final.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It also makes sense from SJ's standpoint because they've been seen as good enough to make noise in the playoffs as opposed to 3 goals in a four game sweep.

The only noise they've made in the playoffs is a wet fart.

You think of how disappointed we are about going 4 and out in our last playoff run, imagine nearly always being a favorite and meeting close to the same fate. Instead of a champion, they're the answer to various trivia questions. NHL's Buffalo Bills.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's another sports debate. Does the sample size of a regular season mean anything? No, not in relation to actually winning when it really matters. However, if we're going to use those accumulated fancy stats for short bursts like the Kings had, to show how much better they were likely to be than their competition, then the actual on ice results from 1,230 games also can't mean nothing.

A lot. We've also been scared of them actually winning in 2 of the last 4 years. Did people ask how easy of a road they had after lucking out against Vegas? Colorado, and then a bunch of other teams that can't win from the ever dangerous but overhyped "Thunderdome"? That's it? That's all that stands in the way of complete depression?

If the Sharks can't win, then it didn't matter if people didn't want Vegas to win more playoff games. Vegas is actually a threat, that will only get better because they paid a bunch of guys before winning. We should never worry about the Sharks winning again(their new contracts will take care of that), even if they're in Game 7 OT of the Final.

Those reg. season games definitely don't mean nothing--I'm only saying that people put too much stock in them. Even I didn't see TBL falling in round 1, but a lot of us pointed out cracks early, even while they were running over everyone during the regular season. But theyre' for qualification, seeding, and for better or worse, expectations. YOu can't have it both ways--if you suggest SJ is a great team long term because of those results, then they've been massive chokers vs. expectations, right? There are quite a few posters riding the "at least SJ won a few series'" wave without acknowledging going two-and-out after you've made big deadline trades is a disappointment, not a success.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The only noise they've made in the playoffs is a wet fart.

You think of how disappointed we are about going 4 and out in our last playoff run, imagine nearly always being a favorite and meeting close to the same fate.

The thing that makes the sweep that much worse is the way they came back this year, not in any way motivated by the sweep. They could not have been more disinterested. The Sharks may not have a Richards, Williams, or Mitchell to lead a bunch of soy boys in a man's world, but they do pick themselves up off the mat without those types of leaders, failure after failure, and keep coming back for more.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Those reg. season games definitely don't mean nothing--I'm only saying that people put too much stock in them. Even I didn't see TBL falling in round 1, but a lot of us pointed out cracks early, even while they were running over everyone during the regular season. But theyre' for qualification, seeding, and for better or worse, expectations. YOu can't have it both ways--if you suggest SJ is a great team long term because of those results, then they've been massive chokers vs. expectations, right? There are quite a few posters riding the "at least SJ won a few series'" wave without acknowledging going two-and-out after you've made big deadline trades is a disappointment, not a success.

Of course. As we've seen with the Kings though, it's not easy to stay motivated after disappointment(or success). The Sharks have done that over the long term though. They're coming back next year too. Had the Sharks actually won at some point, maybe they would all be fat, happy, and content like the Kings have been.

 

[kingsholygrail]

The Sharks are jobbers. That's a better word for it. They should not have even made it out of the opening round.

 

[Voight]

Confirmed Signing with Link: - [SJS] Karlsson re-signs (8 years, $11.5M AAV) Part II

Karlsson re-sign thread as turned into another Due Doughty / bash DD thread. Man I thought we were past this

 

[LAKings88]

Knights trying to trade clarksons contract. Take that first off your hands for him Vegas.

 

[Voight]

The only noise they've made in the playoffs is a wet fart.

You think of how disappointed we are about going 4 and out in our last playoff run, imagine nearly always being a favorite and meeting close to the same fate. Instead of a champion, they're the answer to various trivia questions. NHL's Buffalo Bills.

Of course we'd take the 2012-14 stretch.

Prior to 2012, we would have gladly traded places: especially while we were watching the playoffs at home for seven straight seasons.

Now we've been watching for three-out-of-five seasons and have been watching from home after Week 1 in the other two.

The Cups are the best thing ever and they can't take them away. Until SJ pulls it off, we'll always have that over them.

It's just insane how the Kings were supposed to be a dynasty and killed SJ's future in 2014. Since then, one playoff win for the Kings and a SCF/WCF for San Jose.

Just do what I do - mention that your team has actually won cups, and in both our teams (CHI + LA) case, beat them on the way there at some point.

The Wilson hype kills me, yea he's a solid GM but for all the "amazing moves" he's made, he's got 1 finals to show for it. Sharks stans are unbearable at times. Why cant they be like my friends over here in Kingsland.

Maybe success ties us together

 

[Bandit]

I'm pretty sure if you told any of us in 2004 we could pick one of the following for the next 15 years:

1. Be pretty mediocre in general with a few short playoff runs but a three year run with two Stanley Cups and a WCF, vs.

2. Be the best regular season team of the era and almost always make the playoffs, going past the 2nd round once every few years, but never make it all the way

I could say confidently 90% of us would pick 1.

I'm not going to say the sharks have been mediocre, but I am going to say people put wayyyy too much stock in the regular season, and that San Jose constantly enters the playoffs a 'favorite' but falls on their faces, it's not like they're an underdog defying expectations, the VAST majority of those exits have been a great disappointment. How many years running have we had a "can anyone beat the Sharks?!?" thread?

And the other 10% need to be committed.

 

[KINGS17]

Sure. They're already on that road before the EK signing so they need to double down.

If they pull it off, it will all be worth it in the end.

We have a team full of old guys on long contracts and this board was stoked on giving Kovy $6MM a year for three seasons after getting swept in the 1st round.

The problem for Wilson is he is doubling down with an 8 and a 5. How many face cards and 9's are in the deck?

 

[tomd]

There isn't a single SJ fan wringing their hands that the Kings have won 2 Stanley Cups. Especially when they occurred a half decade ago. And I would guess there aren't many SJ fans that are wringing their hands about what the team will look like in 5 years (unless K17 has a relative who lives up there). SJ has some potentially exciting years ahead of them...just let them enjoy it. They don't give a d@mn about what fans from teams think nor should they (if they are mature at any rate). Win with humility; lose with class and don't dwell or live in the past.

 

[tny760]

Knights trying to trade clarksons contract. Take that first off your hands for him Vegas.

GMs should be licking their chops at that one

karlsson's gonna command a ton and i'd love to see a few offer sheets thrown in the mix around the league this year