Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

[kingsholygrail]

That's a real gnarly one, especially when factoring in that it was their original pick in the Hayes deal that got them squat, plus they gave up Lemieux.

Muzzin had one and a half seasons, but 22/Grundstrom/Durzi pisses all over this return.

If rumors were true, this may have been one of those "get him out of town now" kind of trades. But going from the Jets, a playoff team, to the Rangers who are working on putting it back together makes you wonder, but maybe he wanted to go there.

 

[LAKings88]

New York is adding Trouba, Kaako, and Fox to their lineup.

Some rumor out there that they want Cozens too. Maybe a trade for Edmonton’s 8th overall if he is there. No real source tho.

 

[KingsFan7824]

god i can't wait to watch the sharks implode a few years from now

Yes.

years upon years of piss poor decisions while vaunting wilson as some kind of god GM

It's not about being a god GM, but he has managed the roster in a general way pretty well. He's even survived, and the team has done fairly well, after Thornton publicly told him to shut up. The Kings can't even survive garbage cans. They've gone on to have success as a team after a captaincy change, where the former captain was still there.

You don't put a team in the playoffs in 14 of 15 seasons where you're the GM, if you make years and years of piss poor decisions. Not in a 30+ team NHL. The Sharks have the highest points% in the league in those 15 years. They've played in the most playoff games in those 15 years. They have the 2nd most playoff wins in those 15 years. They've been to at least the 3rd round 5 times, so once every three years just isn't a piss poor job. He's somewhere between Poile and Yzerman, guys that can't actually get the job done, but throw a decent team on the ice.

Years and years of piss poor decisions is unfair though. It's not as good as a Cup win, and certainly not as good as two, but to say years and years of poss poor decisions, that's just wrong.

This is funny, and will never not be funny, but what you said there is wrong. If you want years and years of piss poor decisions, go to Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida, places like that. Not SJ. The Sharks aren't made up of real men who can seal the deal, but they're always in the mix.

 

[Reclamation Project]

That Erik Karlsson deal is horrid, but you knew Wilson was going to go all in, he had to given how deep he was in it.

 

[BigKing]

Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh, Boston, Washington and St. Louis are the only teams this decade that wouldn't trade places with SJ. TB probably wouldn't either.

Until this year, St. Louis would gladly have traded places.

We'll always have 2014 on them, but we start to sound like Al Bundy and his four touchdowns in one game the further we get away from the reverse sweep. Like Ducks fans still talking trash during the 2012 season even though they hadn't done a damn thing since 2007.

It will probably turn into a disaster up there but they can still contend and, again, LA/WAS/STL were all losers until they were winners. All three of these teams weren't expected to win when they did, either. Hell, I feel like 90% of this board felt they were taking the Cup after the hand-pass OT winner in Game 3 against STL.

I'm not all for having a mediocre team and just trying to get in as getting bounced in the 1st round or maybe getting to Round 2 as a ceiling doesn't excite me since 2012-14 means that a run like the 2001 Kings isn't going to make me shit my pants like it could back then. That being said, SJ has not been--and isn't--a mediocre team. A big thing that their core has going for them is that they are still hungry since they've never won it while the Kings core became legends and spiraled into Voynov/Richards/Wet Republic. Bringing in Brantt Myhres wasn't just brought in for PR purposes: the wheels really started to fall off. If the rumors are true, Thornton could have taken more money to come to LA but he takes a discount to stay up there. Not a lot of people taking discounts unless they are in a tax-friendly state, meaning they aren't really taking a discount.

It is easy to judge their contract situation from where we sit since we are now in hell with these long-term deals. We didn't give a shit though five-to-seven years ago because they were winning. While SJ hasn't reached that level of winning, they get pretty close. If I was unfortunate enough to be a San Jose fan, I'd want them to re-sign him: it isn't surprising that SJ HF is pretty much 100% behind the deal.

 

[kovacro]

What's the context here....did fans spill beer on him?

Taylor Hall squirted water in his direction which caught him on his suit jacket and he got all bitchy.

 

[tomd]

Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh, Boston, Washington and St. Louis are the only teams this decade that wouldn't trade places with SJ. TB probably wouldn't either.

Until this year, St. Louis would gladly have traded places.

We'll always have 2014 on them, but we start to sound like Al Bundy and his four touchdowns in one game the further we get away from the reverse sweep. Like Ducks fans still talking trash during the 2012 season even though they hadn't done a damn thing since 2007.

It will probably turn into a disaster up there but they can still contend and, again, LA/WAS/STL were all losers until they were winners. All three of these teams weren't expected to win when they did, either. Hell, I feel like 90% of this board felt they were taking the Cup after the hand-pass OT winner in Game 3 against STL.

I'm not all for having a mediocre team and just trying to get in as getting bounced in the 1st round or maybe getting to Round 2 as a ceiling doesn't excite me since 2012-14 means that a run like the 2001 Kings isn't going to make me **** my pants like it could back then. That being said, SJ has not been--and isn't--a mediocre team. A big thing that their core has going for them is that they are still hungry since they've never won it while the Kings core became legends and spiraled into Voynov/Richards/Wet Republic. Bringing in Brantt Myhres wasn't just brought in for PR purposes: the wheels really started to fall off. If the rumors are true, Thornton could have taken more money to come to LA but he takes a discount to stay up there. Not a lot of people taking discounts unless they are in a tax-friendly state, meaning they aren't really taking a discount.

It is easy to judge their contract situation from where we sit since we are now in hell with these long-term deals. We didn't give a **** though five-to-seven years ago because they were winning. While SJ hasn't reached that level of winning, they get pretty close. If I was unfortunate enough to be a San Jose fan, I'd want them to re-sign him: it isn't surprising that SJ HF is pretty much 100% behind the deal.

That's so funny...I was going to post something about certain fans sounding like Al Bundy and his 4 touchdowns! Every fan of any team should think about that the next time they want to gloat about winning a championship while another team hasn't. Picture Al Bundy's pathetic face...picture him living his life totally in the past and no one caring except him...that's what these fans sound like. Thanks for posting that!

 

[crassbonanza]

We'll always have 2014 on them, but we start to sound like Al Bundy and his four touchdowns in one game the further we get away from the reverse sweep. Like Ducks fans still talking trash during the 2012 season even though they hadn't done a damn thing since 2007.

How long are you allowed to enjoy your cup wins? Is 4 years the limit? Is this the year that Blackhawk fans need to forget that their team won 3 cups in 5 years?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah, bullshit, provided they don't win a Cup, Sharks fans can wave all their 'regular season champion' banners in my face all they want and I'll Al Bundy the f*** out of them till the day I die.

 

[BigKing]

My point is that I just prefer to keep my mouth shut when I currently don't have a leg to stand on. Now, if a SJ fan wants to start trash talking me then 2014 is the KO punch and that is fine since they started it. The Cup wins will be enjoyed for the rest of our lives: there just comes a point where actively gloating about it while ignoring the shit show that has been Richards decision-to-present is kind of lame. It's much worse in person at Staples when some jackass is yelling "banners" to a Vegas fan as something called Blake Lizotte is skating for the Kings in Game 82. (No offense if you are reading, Blake: I believe in you)

I just don't like shitting on teams that have consistently been good while my team has been shitting on me during that same stretch of time. But, seriously, everyone can do whatever they want to do. When it comes to SJ, I just like the choker angle opposed to going to the Cups since the Kings are not close to being better than them now and haven't been since 2015.

 

[crassbonanza]

My point is that I just prefer to keep my mouth shut when I currently don't have a leg to stand on. Now, if a SJ fan wants to start trash talking me then 2014 is the KO punch and that is fine since they started it. The Cup wins will be enjoyed for the rest of our lives: there just comes a point where actively gloating about it while ignoring the **** show that has been Richards decision-to-present is kind of lame. It's much worse in person at Staples when some jackass is yelling "banners" to a Vegas fan as something called Blake Lizotte is skating for the Kings in Game 82. (No offense if you are reading, Blake: I believe in you)

I just don't like ****ting on teams that have consistently been good while my team has been ****ting on me during that same stretch of time. But, seriously, everyone can do whatever they want to do. When it comes to SJ, I just like the choker angle opposed to going to the Cups since the Kings are not close to being better than them now and haven't been since 2015.

It's fandom, there is not much logic involved. Teams have ups and downs and rivals are still going to shit talk one another in any way that they can no matter how good they are.

The Kings suck.
They are horrible.
They were the second worst team in the f***ing league last season.

Heaven forbid fans of a franchise that went through a season like that talk a little shit to their rivals.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

My point is that I just prefer to keep my mouth shut when I currently don't have a leg to stand on. Now, if a SJ fan wants to start trash talking me then 2014 is the KO punch and that is fine since they started it. The Cup wins will be enjoyed for the rest of our lives: there just comes a point where actively gloating about it while ignoring the **** show that has been Richards decision-to-present is kind of lame. It's much worse in person at Staples when some jackass is yelling "banners" to a Vegas fan as something called Blake Lizotte is skating for the Kings in Game 82. (No offense if you are reading, Blake: I believe in you)

I just don't like ****ting on teams that have consistently been good while my team has been ****ting on me during that same stretch of time. But, seriously, everyone can do whatever they want to do. When it comes to SJ, I just like the choker angle opposed to going to the Cups since the Kings are not close to being better than them now and haven't been since 2015.

That's all I'm saying really. Don't get me wrong, I don't go around instigating. But if any of them were ever to mouth off to me about SJ somehow being more successful than us...well, you see how annoyed I am with that even being a possible suggestion with YOU guys

 

[kingsfan28]

Rumor was Trouba wanted out. Might have hurt his selling price.

You'd think he'd have gotten more, much more. Hell, our 22nd pick and someone else would've probably worked.

 

[kingsfan28]

Spinning it like a gm who just got fleeced .

 

[kingsfan28]

The situation in San Jose makes sense, you can’t let Karlsson walk. But trading for him in the first place - after having Burns and Vlasic on big contracts - didn’t really make a ton of sense. I mean, obviously, if you have the chance to contend and can add a world-class talent, you do it. But the makeup of that team now is flawed. Their second-highest-paid forward is now Evander Kane, and there are a lot of pieces they need to re-sign. Labanc, Meier, Pavelski, Thornton, Donskoi, and Haley need contracts. They only have seven forwards signed at the moment.

12.5 in cap space to sign 5 or 6 guys?
Meier and Pavelski alone might cost 12, because you know he's gonna want more than Kanes 7. Then there's the other guys. Good luck with that.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Trouba is getting the Dougie Hamilton treatment, except Cheveldayoff got far less for Trouba.

 

[Bandit]

Some of y’all need to back the f*** up on the whole “San Jose success” bullshit. They’ve done jack shit.

 

[TruKingFan]

Some of y’all need to back the **** up on the whole “San Jose success” bull****. They’ve done jack ****.

Yeah that was f***ing hilarious.

 

[TruKingFan]

Spinning it like a gm who just got fleeced .

So if the Jets don’t re-sign Hayes it will basically be Pionk for Trouba? Wtf.

 

[dryz]

So if the Jets don’t re-sign Hayes it will basically be Pionk for Trouba? Wtf.

Jets already traded Hayes' rights to Flyers.

 

[kilowatt]

Jets already traded Hayes' rights to Flyers.

So if the Jets don’t re-sign Hayes it will basically be Pionk for Trouba? Wtf.

To New York: Winnipeg 2019 1st, Brendan Lemieux
To Winnipeg: Kevin Hayes

To New York: Jacob Trouba
To Winnipeg: Neal Pionk, Winnipeg 2019 1st

So yes, the Jets traded Trouba and Lemieux for Pionk (and Hayes, whose rights they traded to Philadelphia).

Brutal.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

To New York: Winnipeg 2019 1st, Brendan Lemieux
To Winnipeg: Kevin Hayes

To New York: Jacob Trouba
To Winnipeg: Neal Pionk, Winnipeg 2019 1st

So yes, the Jets traded Trouba and Lemieux for Pionk (and Hayes, whose rights they traded to Philadelphia).

Brutal.

Come on, that 5th rounder will make the trade flip in the ‘Peg’s favor. LOL

 

[raswilliam]

Muzzin trade return was bettered than what the trouba return was? Who would have thought?

 

[kovacro]

12.5 in cap space to sign 5 or 6 guys?
Meier and Pavelski alone might cost 12, because you know he's gonna want more than Kanes 7. Then there's the other guys. Good luck with that.

They'll also have to resign LeBanc and I would think he is in line for a decent raise.

I think they are going to look to clear some cap space by moving guy(s) like Dillon, Braun, M. Karlsson, and Dell.

Likely that Nyquist and Donskoi are out the door as UFA's.

The money they have tied up in their "Big 3" defenseman for the next several years is crazy.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Muzzin trade return was bettered than what the trouba return was? Who would have thought?

That's jumping the gun a bit, but Winnipeg is up against the cap, with a player that has made it clear he wants big money, and is willing to make things difficult if need be to get his way. Muzzin was happy just to get out of LA, and he's under control for another full season, and likely won't get the money Trouba will.