Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

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Why? Well, because as many remember the Kings were built for the playoffs. They finished just a few points out of 1st in the Pacific in 2012. After that they were comfortably in the playoffs in 2013 and 2014. Other teams above them in the standings were checking on where the Kings were going to finish below them hoping they could avoid the Kings in the first round. Is any team saying that about San Jose, because I haven't seen it.

I agree with the Kings quitting before the season ever started last year. It kind of shows Lombardi had the pulse of his young leadership core pegged correctly. They needed guys like Williams, Mitchell, Greene, and Stoll to show them the way, but sadly they didn't pick up the mantle.

After the fact, sure. Before the 2012 run, they hadn't won a playoff series. Before lucking out that Carter was unhappy, they might've been on their way to missing what they were built for.

If you look at the San Jose, Colorado, and Vegas rosters which of these teams should improve the most next season. I don't think it's the Sharks.

Vegas has no cap space, and Stone hasn't won anything. Where has he, or Pacioretty, ever led a team? Stastny is 33, 34 in Dec. How long does he keep going? Why will they get better? Colorado hasn't won anything either. They beat a paper tiger in the 1st round. Landeskog will be 27 in November, and just had his best season. Statistically, that's not likely to happen again, or continue at that same level. Barrie, 28 in July, had his best year. Not likely to continue. How can a team be a contender if they haven't won the Cup? Even SJ has been closer to a Cup than Vegas.
 
That's the big problem with the Kings now, too. Zero identity. Used to be this heavy, defense first team. Tried to open up the system for more offense. Now they're stuck somewhere in the middle. Not talented enough to be a high flying offensive team. Not disciplined enough to be defense first.

Both teams should suck again.
 
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That's the big problem with the Kings now, too. Zero identity. Used to be this heavy, defense first team. Tried to open up the system for more offense. Now they're stuck somewhere in the middle. Not talented enough to be a high flying offensive team. Not disciplined enough to be defense first.

With Baldy the Clown on the left and Perry (maybe not for long) the Joker on the right.

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After the fact, sure. Before the 2012 run, they hadn't won a playoff series. Before lucking out that Carter was unhappy, they might've been on their way to missing what they were built for.



Vegas has no cap space, and Stone hasn't won anything. Where has he, or Pacioretty, ever led a team? Stastny is 33, 34 in Dec. How long does he keep going? Why will they get better? Colorado hasn't won anything either. They beat a paper tiger in the 1st round. Landeskog will be 27 in November, and just had his best season. Statistically, that's not likely to happen again, or continue at that same level. Barrie, 28 in July, had his best year. Not likely to continue. How can a team be a contender if they haven't won the Cup? Even SJ has been closer to a Cup than Vegas.
What has San Jose won? Why will they be a better team in 2019-20?
 
That's the big problem with the Kings now, too. Zero identity. Used to be this heavy, defense first team. Tried to open up the system for more offense. Now they're stuck somewhere in the middle. Not talented enough to be a high flying offensive team. Not disciplined enough to be defense first.

It's going to be tough for both teams to find that new identity for sure.

Anaheim benefits from Kesler and Eaves both going on LTIR or retiring. Perry getting bought out seems like a given. That leaves only Getzlaf and he is still productive and a leader. Ducks are much further along in the 23-28 player age group as well as the 19-22 age group. Still, this will be a year of transition for them.

Don't know where the Kings go but somehow they have to keep the veteran core engaged. They are going to be a barbell team very soon (most of the roster either in the 20-22 range or over 30). The two age groups have virtually nothing in common off the ice and that can lead to locker room dysfunction. They desperately need a group of players in the 23-28 range to balance things out. Those are hard to get...can't draft them and they aren't old enough to be UFA's. It's a real problem. We'll see how talented Blake is as a GM.
 
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After the fact, sure. Before the 2012 run, they hadn't won a playoff series. Before lucking out that Carter was unhappy, they might've been on their way to missing what they were built for.



Vegas has no cap space, and Stone hasn't won anything. Where has he, or Pacioretty, ever led a team? Stastny is 33, 34 in Dec. How long does he keep going? Why will they get better? Colorado hasn't won anything either. They beat a paper tiger in the 1st round. Landeskog will be 27 in November, and just had his best season. Statistically, that's not likely to happen again, or continue at that same level. Barrie, 28 in July, had his best year. Not likely to continue. How can a team be a contender if they haven't won the Cup? Even SJ has been closer to a Cup than Vegas.

Vegas was clearly the better team in the SJ series this year. But they choked, and SJ was helped along by a world class playoff screwjob, so there you go.

Vegas still has a solid young forward core in March, WK, Tuch, etc. Plus they have some good forward prospects coming into the league in Glass and Gustav. They have one of the best forward cores in the entire league, including the undisputed best collection of wingers in the entire league, many of which are still very young. They will continue to get better on that front. Vegas ain’t going anywhere. They’re contenders.

Their D is still questionable. They desperately need a #1 D. Schmidt is a great #2.
 

I think the Ducks need to hit the UFA market and go for it. They only have a couple of seasons left where Getzlaf and Kesler are under contract. The Ducks have to go for it now, because to do otherwise would just show they have a loser's mentality. Did I do that right?
 
The boldfaced is almost exactly what I'm talking about.

What a rosy, alibi-laden outlook for SJS. "if only...", and pessimistic retroactive view of LA, who was coming off being the best defensive team in the league and literal mvp caliber performances, allowing as many goals in one series as SJS did in GAME 1, trying to add scoring.

The next two paragraphs are a much more reasonable assessment, but man, I will never understand how that team gets so many excuses made for them for 'just competing' while attempting the same around here is considered blackholing and the worst situation to be in.

I mean, I thought they were running out of spectacular ways to fail, but having two Norris winners on your roster and getting the benefit of damn near every call in the first two rounds while making everyone hate you was a new twist. So I guess they are entertaining.

It basically says that fans of a team generally think their team is better than it is while downplaying other teams. It took the Kings taking a shit on the ice in 2019 for the majority of this board to say time to pack it in while SJ has remained competitive. Comparisons to Washington and St. Louis are amusing to me because those teams are Washington and St. Louis until they aren't: much like the LA Kings were the pathetic f***ing LA Kings until they weren't for what now appears like a three year hallucination.

This fan base would be ecstatic if the Kings followed up 2015 with the W/L record that San Jose has put up. It would mean the Kings core was good enough to contend as opposed to what has proven out over the last five seasons. While it is true it appears the window isn't as open as it once was for SJ, the majority of this board was still sweating a possible Cup win from them this season and we've had to sweat out a SCF appearance. The Kings have one playoff game victory over that same time.

I'm not saying I advocate a "just make the playoffs" strategy since I don't really put San Jose in that camp. We laugh at them because they choke and we miraculously have the ability to look down on them due to that aforementioned three-year stretch, but they've been to the SCF/1st Round/2nd Round/WCF the past four seasons. Pittsburgh is probably the only other team that has had more cumulative playoff series wins over that time, right? Maybe Washington?

Point is, San Jose has been good enough to warrant "going for it" while the Kings haven't been and really proved they didn't deserve it after last season. Wilson has dug a hole for the future with the long-term deals and lack of picks so they have to try to win it now. Odds are stacked against them since there is only one winner per season, but I don't blame Wilson one bit for going all in while he's had these players. That franchise is starved for a Cup and to ditch the choker label: letting EK walk and then just rolling with a lesser squad or trying to rebuild just doesn't work for them. The dye had already been cast with the other long-term deals.

This is also why I don't blame DL for "going for it" with Sekera and then even Lucic. Easy to dismiss 2015 as an aberration after what they did the three seasons prior: I definitely did. They just won the Calder Cup, Kempe looked great during that Calder run and Toffoli/Pearson looked like 20 goal + locks moving forward. Wilson doesn't have the benefit of his core putting up a 2012-14 Kings run but it is the best he has and they annually are in the mix.

I want the Kings to respectfully tank at this point but I also wanted the Gaborik contract, was stoked on Sekera and Lucic as well. I even thought they would beat Vegas in 2018. It is clear that they need to hit the reset button on this thing and get buy-in from the vets and continued improvement from youth. San Jose? They can't blow it up if they wanted to and it doesn't make sense to do so. If the Kings core had performed like SJ's the past four seasons, we'd be clamoring to add an impact FA and try to keep the ball rolling while these guys were still hot.

Tanking/rebuilding is the right move for some teams and continuing to go for it makes sense for others. SJ will bottom out eventually with all the other long-term contracts they have: what's another log on the fire at this point if it buys you better than a puncher's chance at the Cup for a couple seasons?
 
I think the Ducks need to hit the UFA market and go for it. They only have a couple of seasons left where Getzlaf and Kesler are under contract. The Ducks have to go for it now, because to do otherwise would just show they have a loser's mentality. Did I do that right?

Nope. Kesler is going on LTIR or retiring. So is Eaves. Perry is getting bought out. That leaves Getzlaf and he only has 2 years left. Ducks also have a much deeper roster of 21-28 year olds.

That's a far cry from the virtually untradeable core of Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Brown, and Carter. Kings have virtually no one in the 21-28 age range who could be considered a core player.

The two teams couldn't be more different.
 
A big gamble by the Sharks for sure, but chances are Karlsson will give them some not so great years and a couple of really good ones. Who knows whether or not it will pay off, no one can say for sure at this point. Personally I think Wilson is one of the best GMs in the league and I´d trust his judgement in the matter. The Sharks always seem too old to be good next season yet they consistently are a top team in the western conference year after year, proving me and others wrong.
 
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While I understand wanting to keep Karlsson, doing so when you are already paying big money long term contracts with NTC's to two other aging defensemen is a recipe for disaster.
 
god i can't wait to watch the sharks implode a few years from now

years upon years of piss poor decisions while vaunting wilson as some kind of god GM

My dream is that the Sharks and Wilson are thought of in 23/24 as the Kings are thought of now - past their prime and buried in vet contracts.

Except with zero Cups to show for it.
 
That's a real gnarly one, especially when factoring in that it was their original pick in the Hayes deal that got them squat, plus they gave up Lemieux.

Muzzin had one and a half seasons, but 22/Grundstrom/Durzi pisses all over this return.
 
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