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If I told you we could have a 4th liner score 25 point pace, wins most of his faceoffs, has some of the best possession stats on the team despite having the hardest assignments, most of you would be excited.

Disassociate the name with the results and you have the perfect 4th liner and, as Rosen points out, with more potential upside. Try not burying him and see what happens, surprised VGK didn't go for him.

Anyway was just pointing out a former King getting lots of interest for his actual abilities. Being boring in that role regardless of linemates is a skill given most 4th liners get run over with respect to flow of play.
 
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deeshamrock said:
Dreger saying today that a deal for Karlsson could happen in the next 24-48 hours. So I wonder if Stevie Y's sudden departure is tied to that? maybe the owner (and new GM Julien BriseBois’ ) have a different view on who could be traded away.
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Was thinking that the other day...maybe philosophical differences and Stevie getting overridden.

Ziggy Stardust said:
Is there a player that is more vanilla than Nick Shore? Does anyone fondly remember Bob Corkum or Steve Kelly?
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I do remember Corkum only because I loved the name haha.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
If I told you we could have a 4th liner score 25 point pace, wins most of his faceoffs, has some of the best possession stats on the team despite having the hardest assignments, most of you would be excited.

Disassociate the name with the results and you have the perfect 4th liner and, as Rosen points out, with more potential upside. Try not burying him and see what happens, surprised VGK didn't go for him.

Anyway was just pointing out a former King getting lots of interest for his actual abilities. Being boring in that role regardless of linemates is a skill given most 4th liners get run over with respect to flow of play.
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Wait, is this Shore? LOL

If you told me this fourth liner "wins most of his face-offs" I would be expecting some gnarly 60%+. Also, pace vs actual output is a real thing, RJ.

If we're talking Thompson I agree, disregarding how hypocritical my post is in doing so,

Thompson was a fine 4th line C last season.
 
King Trouty said:
Wait, is this Shore? LOL

If you told me this fourth liner "wins most of his face-offs" I would be expecting some gnarly 60%+. Also, pace vs actual output is a real thing, RJ.

If we're talking Thompson I agree, disregarding how hypocritical my post is in doing so,

Thompson was a fine 4th line C last season.
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By no means am I saying go reacquire him.

Just pointing out how stupid all the mudslinging is, but it just adds to this forum's inability to assess good depth players and what 4th liners 'on average' around the league bring to the game.

I also like Thompson. I hope he's not slowing down.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
By no means am I saying go reacquire him.

Just pointing out how stupid all the mudslinging is, but it just adds to this forum's inability to assess good depth players and what 4th liners 'on average' around the league bring to the game.

I also like Thompson. I hope he's not slowing down.
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Completely agreed. This forum has some weird shit on our solid fourth liners.

Like Clifford is holding us back from another Chip. While also playing solid 4th line minutes. I didn't like Shore compared to Thompson -- I like Thompson's edge, and he is very nice at the dot... but I wasn't in our GDTs b*tching about Nick f***ing Shore before we jettisoned him.
 
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If you look at Shore's average ice time as a King, he was utilized as a 3rd line center. Then he goes to Ottawa and sees a dramatic drop in ice time, and then his ice time went up in Calgary, where he was not retained.

I really dislike having a soft fourth line, and we saw how effective a physical and intense fourth line can be when Vegas had their fourth line scoring goals against LA's top line.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
If you look at Shore's average ice time as a King, he was utilized as a 3rd line center. Then he goes to Ottawa and sees a dramatic drop in ice time, and then his ice time went up in Calgary, where he was not retained.

I really dislike having a soft fourth line, and we saw how effective a physical and intense fourth line can be when Vegas had their fourth line scoring goals against LA's top line.
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Which is why, I, personally, like Nate, Ziggy. Gives us the same production on the 4th line, but isn't soft. Nate, Lewis, Clifford isn't a bad 4th line. If they have to get Brodz and Amadio in there, then so be it. Frankly, I welcome a fourth line of Brodz/Amadio/Lewis, but our 4th line wasn't what was holding us back against Vegas.

As per the minutes, that was all out of whack, with King getting, what, 15-16 mins a night?

With all that said, Lewis belongs on the 4th line of an elite team, imo.
 
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As long as Thompson is flanked by faster players he'll be good. He's just way too slow to be a permanent C in our system, requires 200 foot skating and he's not that guy
 


Wow.

Voynov is gonna get a season methinks.

Maybe even as a favor to Blake so the Kings wouldn't have to make a decision about his rights etc.
 
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Wow.

Voynov is gonna get a season methinks.

Maybe even as a favor to Blake so the Kings wouldn't have to make a decision about his rights etc.
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What was his offense, RJ? The same as Voynov, essentially, no? If so, the league just made a precedent and we should expect the same, roughly, for Slava.

Gory details notwithstanding.
 
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Wow.

Voynov is gonna get a season methinks.

Maybe even as a favor to Blake so the Kings wouldn't have to make a decision about his rights etc.
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Sounds about right. A little hand shake deal, NHL doesn't have to deal with him, the Kings don't have to deal with him, Voynov goes back to Russia and doesn't return. Can we do the same with King Trouty?
 
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Sounds about right. A little hand shake deal, NHL doesn't have to deal with him, the Kings don't have to deal with him, Voynov goes back to Russia and doesn't return. Can we do the same with King Trouty?
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I'll tell you what, only if you and I share the adventure together. Room up. Deal?

We can save on money and get a single bed. But I have to be the man.
 
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All of a sudden we have a fast system? Nate is a solid 4C on most teams, RJ
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I don't necessarily mean fast, but if he's with Lewis, he's good. Just saying Thompson isn't going to be the guy to lug the puck all the way down the ice like Kopitar, Carter, or Kempe. It's not a knock, just an assessment of his skating. Clifford, Thompson, Lewis would be more than fine by me.

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What was his offense, RJ? The same as Voynov, essentially, no? If so, the league just made a precedent and we should expect the same, roughly, for Slava.

Gory details notwithstanding.
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He had the same plea--no contest--to pushing a significant other, leaving a mark on her chest. Not quite as gory in detail, and the league isn't really beholden to the law for their punishment.


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He already got a season.
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I don't disagree at all. That can't be overlooked, even if it's being cheapened by some (not here, just in general).
 
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I don't necessarily mean fast, but if he's with Lewis, he's good. Just saying Thompson isn't going to be the guy to lug the puck all the way down the ice like Kopitar, Carter, or Kempe. It's not a knock, just an assessment of his skating. Clifford, Thompson, Lewis would be more than fine by me.

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He had the same plea--no contest--to pushing a significant other, leaving a mark on her chest. Not quite as gory in detail, and the league isn't really beholden to the law for their punishment.
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To your first quote -- it's a hell of an expectation to expect him to perform at those listed in your second sentence, RJ. I know you know this, so I'm bit confused?

To your second quote in my reply -- no doubt, brother. The league can implement more of a penalty, less than one... whatever they want, having no DV by-law in place. "Conduct detrimental to the league" or however they tag it, is purely discretionary on them. But still, if I want to read the tea leaves optimistically, this sets a precedent for DV. Slava pled down, and eventually got his case dropped, so if the league is going only off the act (not the carnage), we should expect roughly the same amount of games -- ~30 or so. Of course, as you said, the league isn't beholden to any law (CBA) at this point, and could cave to the East Coast. I'm hoping it's the opposite, and they revert to the Watson suspension as precedent. *Hoping*
 
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King Trouty said:
(I dont know how to do the multi-box quote)

To your first quote -- it's a hell of an expectation to expect him to perform at those listed in your second sentence, RJ. I know you know this, so I'm bit confused?

To your second quote in my reply -- no doubt, brother. The league can implement more of a penalty, less than one... whatever they want, having no DV by-law in place. "Conduct detrimental to the league" or however they tag it, is purely discretionary on them. But still, if I want to read the tea leaves optimistically, this sets a precedent for DV. Slava pled down, and eventually got his case dropped, so if the league is going only off the act (not the carnage), we should expect roughly the same amount of games -- ~30 or so. Of course, as you said, the league isn't beholden to any law (CBA) at this point, and could cave to the East Coast. I'm hoping it's the opposite, and they revert to the Watson suspension as precedent. *Hoping*
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I'm not at all suggesting Thompson has to play to their standards. I'm only pointing out the center responsibilities in the Kings' system--often requiring play behind our own net--versus Thompson's skating abilities. Again I like the player, more than I probably should actually, I just think he's gonna need help with skaters on his line to be most effective.
 
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I'm not at all suggesting Thompson has to play to their standards. I'm only pointing out the center responsibilities in the Kings' system--often requiring play behind our own net--versus Thompson's skating abilities. Again I like the player, more than I probably should actually, I just think he's gonna need help with skaters on his line to be most effective.
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I like him as our 4th line C, probably more than I should, too. Touché, RJ :)

If we hit on Vilardi and Amadio, I'm hoping it shores (no pun) Lewis down to the 4th. There's your speed with Thompson, and where Lewis should be, imo. Lewis is an elite 4th liner in this league.
 
This one is OT, but I’m just watching TSN who are broadcasting the Humboldt Broncos home opener.

Former King, Scott Barney is an assistant coach for the Broncos.

A couple of the boys who were on the club last season are in the lineup tonight and a few that survived the accident are there as well.

There will be a post game tribute to the 29 individuals that lost their lives that day in early April 2017.

I don’t think there will be a dry eye in the house.

Leave a stick out for the boys.

#Humboldtstrong
 
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Dreger saying today that a deal for Karlsson could happen in the next 24-48 hours. So I wonder if Stevie Y's sudden departure is tied to that? maybe the owner (and new GM Julien BriseBois’ ) have a different view on who could be traded away.
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How the hell can Tampa afford him? 6.5 this year, plus 11 or more for an extension.They have only 500k more in cap space than we do.
 
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