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johnjm22 said:
1 year 650k ? I would have taken him back for that.
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I would think the Kings had to make him some kind of offer, certainly one like that or better. Maybe he wanted to play on the east coast for some reason. That's $200K less than the Kings paid him last year.

Either that, or the team really thinks someone will step up and grab that last spot and they want to present that opportunity.
 
Fishhead said:
I would think the Kings had to make him some kind of offer, certainly one like that or better. Maybe he wanted to play on the east coast for some reason. That's $200K less than the Kings paid him last year.

Either that, or the team really thinks someone will step up and grab that last spot and they want to present that opportunity.
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I think he was never offered a contract by LA. I think Brickely and LaDue have made him expendable in Blake's eyes
 
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I like Foln, and the FLyers had been hunting a RH, Flames trade fell thru because Hexy wouldn't giveup what the Flames asked for. I'm guessing the DUmba rumor went south for the same reason. But he has something up his sleeve. The Flyers were already overloaded with defenseman, not enough slots for the young guys that came up last year and more in the wings. I'm guessing Folin might be replacing somebody going as part of a package in a trade. We'll see

But good pickup.
 
YP44 said:
I think he was never offered a contract by LA. I think Brickely and LaDue have made him expendable in Blake's eyes
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The Dillman quote would confirm this.

So realistically, LaDue, Brickley, Fantenberg, and MacD are fighting for two spots? I would consider Walker and any of the youth a longshot. Quite frankly, that's not a whole lot of quality competition for a roster spot. If none of them separate themselves I would be worried.
 
Fishhead said:
The Dillman quote would confirm this.

So realistically, LaDue, Brickley, Fantenberg, and MacD are fighting for two spots? I would consider Walker and any of the youth a longshot. Quite frankly, that's not a whole lot of quality competition for a roster spot. If none of them separate themselves I would be worried.
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considering one of those spots is a spot in the press box it is not bad for a 6th/7th. Top 5 are cemented.

Forbort-Drew
Muzzin-Martinez
Dion - ?
 
YP44 said:
considering one of those spots is a spot in the press box it is not bad for a 6th/7th. Top 5 are cemented.

Forbort-Drew
Muzzin-Martinez
Dion - ?
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Yea the press box spot is fine, but regular shifts are another. I love MacD, but he's not a regular on defense for any team inspiring to win. Fant did not impress. LaDue was a huge disappointment to me last year, he should have grabbed a spot but instead he looked terrible in camp. Brickley is a wild card, who knows there. Also, when that first injury hits things could go south real quick.
 
Fishhead said:
I would think the Kings had to make him some kind of offer, certainly one like that or better. Maybe he wanted to play on the east coast for some reason. That's $200K less than the Kings paid him last year.

Either that, or the team really thinks someone will step up and grab that last spot and they want to present that opportunity.
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Cap Friendly is now reporting that it's 850K. Still I would think a reliable RHD would get more than that.

I wonder if part of the reason there was little interest in him has to do with the league's current obsession with speed/skating over size/grit.
 
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johnjm22 said:
Phaneuf shouldn't be guaranteed a top 6 D spot IMO.
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Are you thinking he's done? He had a top 4 spot just a couple of months ago. If he's done, how do we get rid of him? Hide his contract in the AHL? Is that even still allowable these days? IMHO, his contract is 97% untradeable.
 
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Fishhead said:
Yea the press box spot is fine, but regular shifts are another. I love MacD, but he's not a regular on defense for any team inspiring to win. Fant did not impress. LaDue was a huge disappointment to me last year, he should have grabbed a spot but instead he looked terrible in camp. Brickley is a wild card, who knows there. Also, when that first injury hits things could go south real quick.
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Fantenberg sure impressed in the playoffs though. Especially the no Doughty game. I think that alone is why he was brought back over Frolin.
 
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As they try to find a 3rd team to ship some combination of Killorn, Palat, Callahan, Miller, Johnson, Stralman, Coburn and Girardi to, all but Miller have some form of NMC/NTC.

My first thought was SJ, then I realized they have no 2019 1st round pick, and I would assume the goal is to get a team that can contribute draft picks and young players to send to OTT.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Better give me something good if I'm doing it to help you get Karlsson.
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My thinking is something like this:

OTT: Point, Team X 2019 1st, TB 2019/20 1st (depending on if it conveys to NYR in '19) (see below)
TB: Karlsson
Team X: some combination of the above players, depending on team needs and who is willing to go where.

Note: In this scenario, Ottawa gets a young defenseman from somewhere, but they aren't getting Sergachev, which is why I made Point the principal piece.
 
YP44 said:
Fantenberg sure impressed in the playoffs though. Especially the no Doughty game. I think that alone is why he was brought back over Frolin.
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I wouldn't go that far. I think Quick was the only one that impressed in Game 2.

Fantenberg promptly went down for the AHL playoffs and was trash after the Kings were eliminated.
 
Fishhead said:
The Dillman quote would confirm this.

So realistically, LaDue, Brickley, Fantenberg, and MacD are fighting for two spots? I would consider Walker and any of the youth a longshot. Quite frankly, that's not a whole lot of quality competition for a roster spot. If none of them separate themselves I would be worried.
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Yes and if you think LaDue becomes the #6, they're going to want Brickley playing and he's waiver exempt so it's likely Ontario for him. So who do you want to risk losing out of Fantenberg or MacDermid? Staff and organization love MacDermid, Fantenberg somewhat impressed in the playoffs. Personnaly I'd move LaDue, send Brickley down and keep Fantenberg and MacDermid up.
 
KopitarFAN said:
My thinking is something like this:

OTT: Point, Team X 2019 1st, TB 2019/20 1st (depending on if it conveys to NYR in '19) (see below)
TB: Karlsson
Team X: some combination of the above players, depending on team needs and who is willing to go where.

Note: In this scenario, Ottawa gets a young defenseman from somewhere, but they aren't getting Sergachev, which is why I made Point the principal piece.
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I'd be surprised if Tampa gave up Point, even for a signed Karlsson. Tampa has some fat that could be trimmed: Coburn (1x3.7), Girardi (1x3), Callahan (2x5.8, "only" 4.7 in actual dollars), possibly even Stralman (1x4.5). Cap wise, they could afford to give up Palat (4x5.3), Johnson (6x5) or Killorn (5x4.45) but all have NTCs and probably would block a move to Ottawa. Third team probably would need to be involved.

He's hardly proven, but Ottawa previously had been linked to Slater Koekkoek (grew up nearby). Koekkoek seems stuck as a 6/7 at this point for Tampa, but maybe some theoretical upside left. If Tampa were getting Karlsson long term, they could probably afford to send 2017 1st rounder Cal Foote as well.

Edit: Dreger tweeted out that Tampa/Ottawa are still working things out, and he mentioned the possibility of Callahan going back to the Rangers to clear out cap space.
 
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Reaper45 said:
Yes and if you think LaDue becomes the #6, they're going to want Brickley playing and he's waiver exempt so it's likely Ontario for him. So who do you want to risk losing out of Fantenberg or MacDermid? Staff and organization love MacDermid, Fantenberg somewhat impressed in the playoffs. Personnaly I'd move LaDue, send Brickley down and keep Fantenberg and MacDermid up.
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I think odds are extremely low that Fantenberg or MacD get picked up off waivers, but I don’t think the team will risk it unless Brickley forces their hand in camp. I’m not sure what they could get for LaDue, really. I’m just hoping that one of them steps up and makes the others expendable.
 
I don’t quite get all the love for LaDue. He’s never yet impressed me and he must surely be at the last chance saloon. He has talent but just doesn’t fill me with confidence and needs to put it all together. Fantenberg played well in stretches and had a dip and his trip to the AHL before playing well again in the play-offs. I’m sure he will get a long look and he’s shown me more than LaDue and after a year adjusting to the NA game has more upside than LaDue IMO.

Brickley they are high on and they’ll do what’s best for his development. Waivers won’t come into it as the guys we are talking about have little or no value and are replaceable. My money is on Brickley and Fantenberg on the opening night roster, if we lose the other two guys so be it, but I think it’s unlikely.
 
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I'm not a big LaDue guy, but I'll take him over Fantenberg every time.

I think his offensive instincts are better and he has a better shot. Since he is a RHS and neither of these guys are giving me much in the way of actual defense, I'll go with LaDue.

I like Brickley more than both and I think the Kings do as well. Will be tough to send him down to Ontario since he is an RFA after this season. Kid didn't have a bidding war over his services so he can play in the AHL all season.
 
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BigKing said:
I'm not a big LaDue guy, but I'll take him over Fantenberg every time.

I think his offensive instincts are better and he has a better shot. Since he is a RHS and neither of these guys are giving me much in the way of actual defense, I'll go with LaDue.

I like Brickley more than both and I think the Kings do as well. Will be tough to send him down to Ontario since he is an RFA after this season. Kid didn't have a bidding war over his services so he can play in the AHL all season.
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Fair enough and I completely agree re: Brickley. He has a spot to lose
 
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