Around the League '16-'17 Road Trip Blues Edition

[SettlementRichie10]

Would rather have Bogosian as a RP. Man that guy was hyped to no end during the draft, turned out to be very underwhelming. Would love to see the Ducks acquire E. Kane and see their room implode during the process.

A LOT of people around here were advocating for Bogosian over Doughty in the 2008 draft. Bogosian was a physical specimen at the time, whereas Doughty was considered the softer pure PMD. The argument was that we already had a pure PMD in the works with Hickey, and Bogosian would give us a physical presence to build around on the blueline. Plus, Doughty's production dropped off a bit during his last year in the OHL.

I remember that draft like it was yesterday. People like to claim now that Doughty was the no brainer #2 pick, but back then it wasn't so cut and dry. Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, and Schenn were all considered top tier picks.

 

[Omni Owl]

I honestly believe every team is going through the same angst we are with the expansion. Anyone wanna do some work and make up a hypothetical list of protected players from each team?

Our situation is not a unique one, every team is going to have to cough up a player they'd rather not lose. I'm worried about losing Dowd now that he's emerged as an effective 3C, but that means exposing McNabb/Forbort (if he's eligible). Its a tough spot to be in, considering we're lacking in the depth department and could get even thinner.

 

[Butch 19]

A LOT of people around here were advocating for Bogosian over Doughty in the 2008 draft. Bogosian was a physical specimen at the time, whereas Doughty was considered the softer pure PMD. The argument was that we already had a pure PMD in the works with Hickey, and Bogosian would give us a physical presence to build around on the blueline. Plus, Doughty's production dropped off a bit during his last year in the OHL.

I remember that draft like it was yesterday. People like to claim now that Doughty was the no brainer #2 pick, but back then it wasn't so cut and dry. Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, and Schenn were all considered top tier picks.

?? I certainly don't remember that.

What I remember was STAMKOS!!!!!! ... and then everything else Doughty at #2

(and all the yelling at the Kings d [I can see his face, who was it?] that scored the goal to get the last win and slip to the #2 pick, and slide out of the Stamkos sweepstakes)

 

[Trolfoli]

I honestly believe every team is going through the same angst we are with the expansion. Anyone wanna do some work and make up a hypothetical list of protected players from each team?

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

There's a tool to see who need protection. Just click on the teams at the top to cycle between them.

Some teams will make adjustments. Like the Ducks. They may buyout/move Bieksa and keep 3 other D.

Edit: Kings are sitting pretty well at this point. Forgot that McNabb is a UFA after one season. New team will probably go for someone with more time under contract and he'll be coming off an injury. Don't think he's overly likely to get taken. Plus half of you think he sucks so there that. That leaves a choice between protecting Forbort or Dowd. Dowd is also a UFA after 1 year.

If I'm the expansion team I'm not taking guys that are 1 year away from UFA. Just seems pointless.

 

[Brodeur]

If I'm the expansion team I'm not taking guys that are 1 year away from UFA. Just seems pointless.

If I were Vegas, I'd be trying to make some side deals for the future. They'll likely end up with some useful defensemen. When I was bored enough to do a mock draft with GeneralFanager's old page, I think I ended up taking like 10 D simply because they were the best assets.

They could then try to deal 4+ of those guys for forwards or prospects. That or they could try to pry a pick/prospect from teams in order to agree to not take somebody.

Ie, the Islanders might have a hard time protecting all of their D but Vegas might not be too interested in a Calvin de Haan type who is nearing UFA status. So maybe they could approach the Islanders and say that they'll draft somebody like Halak in exchange for a pick/prospect. Islanders might be happy to shed Halak's contract while keeping their D intact. The pick/prospect would be more useful to Vegas long term.

 

[kingsholygrail]

?? I certainly don't remember that.

What I remember was STAMKOS!!!!!! ... and then everything else Doughty at #2

(and all the yelling at the Kings d [I can see his face, who was it?] that scored the goal to get the last win and slip to the #2 pick, and slide out of the Stamkos sweepstakes)

Wasn't that fan favorite Randy Jones?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I honestly believe every team is going through the same angst we are with the expansion. Anyone wanna do some work and make up a hypothetical list of protected players from each team?

Very true, and a lot of teams are actually in WORSE situations due to things like must-protects--via NMC/NTC--and having young 1st rounders in the lineup out of necessity.

I've seen a couple of mock drafts but I'm behind a work wall right now haha

 

[YP44]

A LOT of people around here were advocating for Bogosian over Doughty in the 2008 draft. Bogosian was a physical specimen at the time, whereas Doughty was considered the softer pure PMD. The argument was that we already had a pure PMD in the works with Hickey, and Bogosian would give us a physical presence to build around on the blueline. Plus, Doughty's production dropped off a bit during his last year in the OHL.

I remember that draft like it was yesterday. People like to claim now that Doughty was the no brainer #2 pick, but back then it wasn't so cut and dry. Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, and Schenn were all considered top tier picks.

I wasn't on HF boards in 2008 but I remember that draft as being a two horse race between stammer and Drew. LA was due to get the sloppy seconds and either player would be a great pick. At list I think that's what I remember from the rankings.

I remember the couple of years afterwards lots of people claiming Bogo and Petro to be as good as Drew, but not before.

 

[YP44]

what were they asking and where did this info come from ?

I think it was confirmed by TSN that Vancouver walked away from the Kane discussions due to the price. If the price is too steep for the Canucks GM I think it is safe to assume it is a huge price.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I think it was confirmed by TSN that Vancouver walked away from the Kane discussions due to the price. If the price is too steep for the Canucks GM I think it is safe to assume it is a huge price.

i was hoping she had heard what the asking price was to be honest

 

[kingsboy11]

Wasn't that fan favorite Randy Jones?

This was around the time I became a fan, but I thought it was Brian Willsie? I could be wrong though, I barely remember anything from that time.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wasn't on HF boards in 2008 but I remember that draft as being a two horse race between stammer and Drew. LA was due to get the sloppy seconds and either player would be a great pick. At list I think that's what I remember from the rankings.

I remember the couple of years afterwards lots of people claiming Bogo and Petro to be as good as Drew, but not before.

There may have been more discussion here than elsewhere, but I remember it getting down to the idea of fitness/committment, too--like, if Drew is this good already, how good willl he be when he gets in shape, and WILL he actually get in shape? versus Bogosian who was already a fitness monster. It even got down to lolworthy things like drafting Bogosian to appease the Armenian population. I don't recall Pietrangelo ever seriously entering the discussions other than he was the more of the 'sure thing' safety pick, whereas Doughty had the much higher ceiling. I think most of those predictions have come to pass, actually--Drew has had wild peaks, but has been pretty inconsistent; Pietrangelo has been steady and great if unspectacular; Bogosian has been a monster but his d has fallen off a bit.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Brian ****ing Willsie man. Scored a goal to 'wreck' the draft, then promptly faded into obscurity!

 

[raswilliam]

I also remember the 2008 draft well. I read my THN draft guide cover to cover and had watched a bunch of youtube of doughty, Bogosian, Petroangelo and Schenn. I remember Doughty being a slight favorite for #2, but it didnt seem like any fans was sold 100% on Doughty.

Check out this gem from Greg Wyshynski

Heres the link -
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ew-Do?urn=nhl,89072+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

1. Down on the Upside. Brian Burke is a pretty smart dude, to the point where he's been able to hire a coach for the Leafs while still being under contract with the Ducks. (Kidding ... sort of.) Burke said that Doughty is ready for the NHL now because he's "become the player he's going to be," while fellow blue-chip defensive prospect Zach Bogosian has more upside. So, in the end, there's a chance the Bogosian will end up being a better player. Even if that player is Chris Pronger.

2. Once a Fat Kid, Always a Fat Kid. Doughty has had weight problems. Not severe ones. He doesn't look like Brando in "The Island of Dr. Moreau" or anything. But it's something he's battled, to the point where he's been working out five times a week since the end of the season to shed weight and keep it off. But it worries us that ESPN would evoke and slightly alter the old John Kruk adage for Doughty: "Lady, I'm not an athlete, I'm a hockey player." It really, really worries us that a guy with what can be called a rather "relaxed" temperament away from the rink could end up in California, home of burgers both Fat and In-n-Out.

3. He May Have the Worst Nickname in the Draft: Because of his history as a chubby kid and the spelling of his last name, Drew Doughty's nickname is actually "Doughnuts." Problem No. 1: In a League with legends nicknamed "Killer" and "Little Ball of Hate," Doughty's nickname makes him sound like a Beanie Baby. Problem No. 2: Don Koharski already completely owns the name. Potential Saving Grace: Fans throw Krispie Kremes on the ice whenever he scores.

4. He's a Bandwagon Fan. Doughty was a Wayne Gretzky fan as a kid. Seeing as how he's 18, that means he started watching hockey when Gretzky was on the Kings. So a young man from London, Ont. became a Los Angeles Kings fan and remained one, to the point where his bedroom had both a Kings telephone and a Kings trashcan. While he earns points for not being an out-of-market, post-MJ Bulls fan and abandoning his team when the star leaves, he still isn't the guy who supports the local club. Which would have been the Leafs, in his case.

Eh, maybe we'll just let him off the hook on this one.

5. The Can't-Miss Thing: As we said in our Steven Stamkos write-up, the idea of a can't-miss prospect scares us a little.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I still want Doughty to buy an In-N-Out franchise.

This was around the time I became a fan, but I thought it was Brian Willsie? I could be wrong though, I barely remember anything from that time.

Brian ****ing Willsie man. Scored a goal to 'wreck' the draft, then promptly faded into obscurity!

Ah, see, I knew it was one of the ghosts on the team that suddenly scored a goal in a game we didn't actually want them to.

 

[Reaper45]

A LOT of people around here were advocating for Bogosian over Doughty in the 2008 draft. Bogosian was a physical specimen at the time, whereas Doughty was considered the softer pure PMD. The argument was that we already had a pure PMD in the works with Hickey, and Bogosian would give us a physical presence to build around on the blueline. Plus, Doughty's production dropped off a bit during his last year in the OHL.

I remember that draft like it was yesterday. People like to claim now that Doughty was the no brainer #2 pick, but back then it wasn't so cut and dry. Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, and Schenn were all considered top tier picks.

If you were smart you knew Doughty was the go to pick, but there was a very vocal minority for Pietrangelo. And a couple of guys like Johnny Utah and some of the Armenian community who wanted Bogosian.

 

[kingsfan28]

Brian ****ing Willsie man. Scored a goal to 'wreck' the draft, then promptly faded into obscurity!

Matt Barry, aka Dancing Boy, actually had a Stamkos jersey made and may have been wearing it at that game. No matter what, LA was taking Doughty and knowing Dean, he may have moved down a spot and grabbed an extra pick from Tampa to let them take Stamkos at 1.

 

[Trolfoli]

Doughty isn't the biggest guy, I always thought he kept the extra weight on to help not get pushed around by the 240-260 pound club.

 

[Fishhead]

Matt Barry, aka Dancing Boy, actually had a Stamkos jersey made and may have been wearing it at that game. No matter what, LA was taking Doughty and knowing Dean, he may have moved down a spot and grabbed an extra pick from Tampa to let them take Stamkos at 1.

Yea, it's safe to say Stamkos didn't fit Dean's MO at the time. They were all over Doughty. Looking back, Willsie may have contributed to those two cups by preventing the option of Stamkos. Who figured.

 

[Brodeur]

I wasn't on HF boards in 2008 but I remember that draft as being a two horse race between stammer and Drew. LA was due to get the sloppy seconds and either player would be a great pick. At list I think that's what I remember from the rankings.

I remember the couple of years afterwards lots of people claiming Bogo and Petro to be as good as Drew, but not before.

I still have the 2008 THN draft issue handy in case you want me to grab screenshots. Stamkos was the sexy prize. Goal scoring center who could sell tickets. Doughty was the cerebral Niedermayer type who I really liked going into that draft but wasn't going to boost season ticket sales.

Since Doughty was a late birthday (December '89), he was a bit of a more known commodity since he was completing his third OHL season (whereas 1990 born guys were in their 2nd year). It seems typical that players like that get nitpicked more since they've been on the radar for an extra season. Bogosian showed great progression in his 2nd year, so some preferred him to Doughty. Consensus on Pietrangelo was that he had similar upside to Doughty/Bogosian, but he needed more time to bulk up to be ready for the NHL.

 

[YP44]

wowser 8x8 for Burns. They had to do it but he will be 32 when that deal kicks in. Could be bad in 4 years.

 

[KingsFan7824]

wowser 8x8 for Burns. They had to do it but he will be 32 when that deal kicks in. Could be bad in 4 years.

Maybe he won't average like 2 points a game against the Kings by then.

 

[tsanuri]

wowser 8x8 for Burns. They had to do it but he will be 32 when that deal kicks in. Could be bad in 4 years.

Doughty's deal just keeps getting more scary. He'll be 29 when his new deal starts and turn 30 in Dec of that year.

They likely had to do it but seems a little long but so far their fan base is fine with it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's gonna look bad in a few years, but I get it. Kinda had to do that.

They're gambling on him being the guy of the last 70ish games and not the previous hundreds...recency bias everywhere. Curious what he'll look like when his offense inevitably regresses...

 

[YP44]

I still want Doughty to buy an In-N-Out franchise.





Ah, see, I knew it was one of the ghosts on the team that suddenly scored a goal in a game we didn't actually want them to.

I think it worked out ok. Would rather have drew considering LA has Kopitar than Stamkos.

Would have been interesting though. What deal would have Lombardi made to bring in a d-man instead of Richards? Would the Carter trade still had happened? Would Tampa still have drafted Headman if they had Doughty?