You don't need a McDavid or Gretzky for that matter either, what is your point?
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You don't need a McDavid or Gretzky for that matter either, what is your point?
Ziggy Stardust
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Sol
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That Price contract is awful. I hated Quicks contract, and still don't like it, this makes it much easier. God damn awful contract for the Canadiens.
The Canadiens aren't going to win for a long time with that contract. Why not settle for a normal goalie and allocate your money to defense and offense. How do you expect to win when you put everything on a guy who plays arguably the least important position in the game right now. How do you justify paying a goalie that much money?
The Canadiens aren't going to win for a long time with that contract. Why not settle for a normal goalie and allocate your money to defense and offense. How do you expect to win when you put everything on a guy who plays arguably the least important position in the game right now. How do you justify paying a goalie that much money?
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To be fair, with mediocre goaltending, stellar defense and offense can do it.
I think goaltending is the least important position in Hockey.
Offense, Defense, and then Goaltending in the current NHL.
Ziggy Stardust
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Maybe average would be a better term to apply.
We've seen teams win with average goaltending, even average defense (see this year's Penguins, Hurricanes, Lightning, '96 Avalanche, '93 Canadiens).
But center depth seems to be a common trait shared by all Cup winners.
On a side note, I really like that Toronto signing of Marleau.
Makes it significantly more difficult for Toronto to sign Doughty as a UFA. Their cap crunch is his UFA year. Plus, the sharks got weaker. I'm all for that.
Makes it significantly more difficult for Toronto to sign Doughty as a UFA. Their cap crunch is his UFA year. Plus, the sharks got weaker. I'm all for that.
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I really like this guy, we seem to see eye to eye on a lot of things. I still believe Matt Murray is an average goalie. You don't need great goalies to win cups, you need great centers, and good defense. Montreal doesn't even have a competent center. Makes zero sense. They just neutered themselves.
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Damn, I would have dealt our next years #2 and #3 for Marcus Johansson.
What's the deal? Caps had to move salary?
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Yeah like that powerhouse center Andy McDonald in 07? You're also comparing multiple players (centers) to 1. You changed the argument.
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Trust me.. I've watched him play a lot.. He's definitely a product of the team. He's not as good as his stats come out to be. He's not worth it.
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You mean the Ducks team that had Niedermayer, Giguere, Selanne, Getzlaf, Perry, Pronger among other good players?
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Goaltending is the most important position.
BUT...
The difference between an average NHL goalie and an elite NHL goalie isn't that much relatively speaking.
Comparatively, the difference between an average NHL center/defenseman and an elite NHL center/defenseman is HUGE.
That's why it doesn't make as much sense to allocate a large portion of your cap space to a netminder.
Additionally, goalies are notoriously hot and cold, and difficult to predict, so being tied to one is very risky.
BUT...
The difference between an average NHL goalie and an elite NHL goalie isn't that much relatively speaking.
Comparatively, the difference between an average NHL center/defenseman and an elite NHL center/defenseman is HUGE.
That's why it doesn't make as much sense to allocate a large portion of your cap space to a netminder.
Additionally, goalies are notoriously hot and cold, and difficult to predict, so being tied to one is very risky.
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That's a fair argument.
I can agree with you that the difference between an average goalie and an elite goalie is relatively smaller than other positions. For me that's what makes it a position I wouldn't allocate cap space on in comparison to other positions.
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I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just saying their cup winning team was great, they had good centers, and one of the best defensive pairings in the modern NHL.
Ziggy Stardust
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That Ducks team was balanced everywhere and had Pronger and Niedermayer playing half a hockey game. You also forgot to mention their leading scorer in those playoffs, Ryan Getzlaf. Sami Pahlsson was also a phenomenal third line center and Todd Marchant on the fourth line.
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I apologize, I thought you were insinuating that the Ducks had a weak forward/center line up with your post.
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There's a significant difference. But relative to centers and defenseman it's not anywhere near as big.
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