Around the League '16-'17 Other Teams' Free Agent Frenzy

[KingsFan7824]

I think Sakic still has time on his side. If the Avs are going to be bad again, and if Duchene is a distraction, what difference does it make? Him being a distraction isn't making them into a bad team. No reason to not hold out for what you want. Someone might pay it. Someone might get hurt. I'd guess he has until the deadline to get a good amount, and the draft to still get a decent amount. After that it gets tougher.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I think Sakic still has time on his side. If the Avs are going to be bad again, and if Duchene is a distraction, what difference does it make? Him being a distraction isn't making them into a bad team. No reason to not hold out for what you want. Someone might pay it. Someone might get hurt. I'd guess he has until the deadline to get a good amount, and the draft to still get a decent amount. After that it gets tougher.

If Duchene performs like he did last season, his value is going to drop considerably. He went through a horrible scoring drought and it was evident that the trade rumors were bothering him and affected his on-ice performance.

 

[johnjm22]

I think Sakic still has time on his side. If the Avs are going to be bad again, and if Duchene is a distraction, what difference does it make? Him being a distraction isn't making them into a bad team. No reason to not hold out for what you want. Someone might pay it. Someone might get hurt. I'd guess he has until the deadline to get a good amount, and the draft to still get a decent amount. After that it gets tougher.

Duchene with 2 years on his contract is worth more than Duchene with 1 year on his contract.

 

[Basilisk]

2018 1st/LaDue/Vilardi/Muzzin

They would probably do that. I get what you are saying but the Kings do have things the Avs would want: the Kings are not in a position to give them up, however.

To be fair, nobody in the league is really in a position to give up what Sakic is asking for, hence why Duchene is still an Av. He is going to need to remove one of the requested pieces.

He'd get plenty of traction if it is a 1st round pick/young quality defenseman/good prospect. Or he can just ride Duchene out on a garbage team and wind up getting nothing for him when he walks.

He'd probably get more at the deadline in the way of futures when teams with Cup hopes feel like Duchene would push them over the top. Teams don't have a reason right now to meet Sakic's demands or even come close.

While this is true, the Kings do possess one card up their sleeve. Currently, our GM is Rob Blake and (last time I checked), Blake & Sakic were supposed to be friends dating back to the Avs Cup days. With that in mind, it's not beyond the realm of possibility for Sakic to give Blake a discount in any potential Duchene deal. Think of it as the "homer" discount.


*Crosses fingers*


But, yeah, I wouldn't trade either Vilardi or LaDue. LaDue is supposed to FINALLY be Voynov's replacement. Meanwhile, Vilardi could easily one day be BETTER than Duchene. The highest D & forward prospects I'd part with in a Duchene deal would probably be Clague & Kempe, respectively. Fans would howl, though.

 

[damacles1156]

Honestly LaDue wouldn't even entice me if I am the Colorado GM.

I would want a 20-24 year old defender that has proven he can play NHL hockey at a high level.

 

[Basilisk]

Guys, much of my reasoning for wanting to include Muzzin in a potential deal for Duchene is purely salary cap related......


1) With Muzzin in a deal for Duchene = ~$4 million in cap space

2) Without Muzzin in a deal for Duchene = ~$0 million in cap space



That is all.......

 

[KingsFan7824]

If Duchene performs like he did last season, his value is going to drop considerably. He went through a horrible scoring drought and it was evident that the trade rumors were bothering him and affected his on-ice performance.

But if it's just the trade rumors that bother him, his talent is still there, and that's what teams will pay for. Although, if he can't play decently through some rumors, you wonder what playoff teams would want with him when the pressure really rises come playoff time.

Duchene with 2 years on his contract is worth more than Duchene with 1 year on his contract.

Sure, which is why I said I think they have until the deadline to still get some good value for him. He's not a one year rental yet.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Ryan Malone got a try-out with Minnesota.

I always liked him, hopefully he'll make a comeback after being out 2 seasons.

 

[deeshamrock]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...rnak_s_agent_have_some_work_to_do_on_contract

Sweeney is meeting with Pastrnak and his agent today. Cam Neely , BRuins team president, on the lack of contract in place with camp about to start:

“To be honest with you, we haven’t really gotten a response on what they’re looking for,†Neely said from the Bruins’ Fanfest in Providence

“But I feel confident we can get something done. I think David has expressed that he loves it here and wants to play here. We want him here for as long as it makes sense for us.â€

And from the other side, Barry, Pastrnak's agent

When told of Neely’s comment about a lack of counter-offer, Barry responded in an email, “(The Bruins) are aware that the offers to date aren’t where we feel David fits in this marketplace. We plan to discuss an eight-year maximum term to see if we can find more common ground.â€

Bruins offered 6M per, Pastrnak's /agent are seeing 8years in the 7.5M range. Neither side appears willing to move, Bruins historically, underpay their young players.

I think the best thing for both sides, would be a bridge deal, but I don't think either side wants that, esp Pastrnak.

Neely when asked about Draisaitl's new contract as a comparable:

It’s not so much internal as it is what are some of the list of the recent ’16-17 signings of players under 25,†he said. “We’re looking at those comps, not so much our own team. What did those players do prior to getting contracts and how does it stack up against David? I know everyone’s talking about the Draisaitl contract, and rightfully so they were waiting to see what was going to happen there. But that’s one player.â€

Both sides want 'the right deal' but each have a different opinion on what that is.

This is a sticky situation that is going to get stickier...

 

[KingsFan7824]

Contracts are always a risk, no matter how good or young a player might be. For all anyone knows, Pastrnak already had his career best season. Only time will tell, but if you're paying $7.5m for the next 8 years, and he doesn't break 60 or 65 points again, you're not getting what you paid for.

As is usually the case in these individual contract negotiations, the player has the upper hand. At least until the team wins without him. Boston has the cap space for him, and he/his agent knows that, so it's one of those always fun waiting games. $7.5m would give him the largest cap hit on the team.

 

[KINGS17]

I wouldn't consider Draisaitl to be a comp for Pastrnak if I was the Bruin's GM.

Pastrnak is a fine player and I think the Bruins should try to sign him to an 8-year deal, but I think something along the lines of a $6.5M cap hit is more appropriate.

It's highly unlikely he won't produce consistently over the next 8 years.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wouldn't consider Draisaitl to be a comp for Pastrnak if I was the Bruin's GM.

Pastrnak is a fine player and I think the Bruins should try to sign him to an 8-year deal, but I think something along the lines of a $6.5M cap hit is more appropriate.

It's highly unlikely he won't produce consistently over the next 8 years.

It's closer than you suggest. Drai is a high-end comp for David, but he's still in the ballpark. Closer to 7 is more than fair.

Drai definitely has the better draft pedigree and, imo, the body to stay healthy like Kopitar, but Pastrnak is a stellar kid in his own right.

 

[deeshamrock]

I wouldn't consider Draisaitl to be a comp for Pastrnak if I was the Bruin's GM.

Pastrnak is a fine player and I think the Bruins should try to sign him to an 8-year deal, but I think something along the lines of a $6.5M cap hit is more appropriate.

It's highly unlikely he won't produce consistently over the next 8 years.

I think both camps appear to okay with term (boston at 7, Pastrnak at 8) it's just the $$$. He won't sign for 6.5, not for LTC, from what I've read coming from his agent. That's why a bridge deal makes sense. Sign for 2 yrs at 6 and then when you prove that worth, ink the LTC. Problem for Boston is that in 2 yrs, he might want more than 7 or 7.5, if he produces and I think he will.

From what Dreger reported, Boston offered 6M either for 6 or 7 yrs and Pastrnak wasn't interested. Draisaitl is also a center, which gives him a bit more clout. Dreger said Pastrnak's comparable is Tarasenko which is the number his agent seems to want.


It's a tough situation, Boston is correct to be cautious as 'star' and 'projected to be star' are 2 different things. I think he will be a star but there's nothing wrong with signing a bridge deal, helping your team, the town you play for and working for it.

And he knows that he is a big part of their offense and they will ,I think, suffer w/o him.

 

[deeshamrock]

Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger 1h1 hour ago

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Sounds like Zaripov has two firm NHL offers and expects at least two more before making his decision

THe Rangers and Lightning are the 2 teams I heard (his agent mentoined the Bolts) and Geno loves him, and has been pushing for the Pens to sign him.

 

[tsanuri]

I wouldn't consider Draisaitl to be a comp for Pastrnak if I was the Bruin's GM.

Pastrnak is a fine player and I think the Bruins should try to sign him to an 8-year deal, but I think something along the lines of a $6.5M cap hit is more appropriate.

It's highly unlikely he won't produce consistently over the next 8 years.

Where I agree he's not a full comp but Draisaitl he did play on the wing quite a bit last year.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

As expected, Vanek signs with Vancouver, 1 year, $2M.

 

[The Tikkanen]

As expected, Vanek signs with Vancouver, 1 year, $2M.

I guess with the Sedin's still there you might as well add a Gagner and Vanek and see what happens. If it doesn't work out you can easily trade those 2 for more assets and then have the Sedin's finally off the books after the year.

 

[deeshamrock]

Franson has apparently Franson'ed himself again. Went into July w/agent asking for a LTC. No takers. Not only didn't that happen but not much interest. SOme Sept, you usually get PTO or 1 yr deal.

He's still waiting for the call..


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CapFriendly ‎@CapFriendly


With Wennberg signed at 6yrs $4.9M aav, the #bluejackets have a projected $7.98M in cap space with Josh Anderson left to be signed.

5:09 PM - Sep 1, 2017

Blue Jackets signed Wennberg to 6 yrs/ 29.4 M, great deal IMO, he had a breakout year and still has some growing to do but I saw a lot of their games and really liked his game. Good young center signed for them for 6 at that price, is great.

 

[KINGS17]

I think both camps appear to okay with term (boston at 7, Pastrnak at 8) it's just the $$$. He won't sign for 6.5, not for LTC, from what I've read coming from his agent. That's why a bridge deal makes sense. Sign for 2 yrs at 6 and then when you prove that worth, ink the LTC. Problem for Boston is that in 2 yrs, he might want more than 7 or 7.5, if he produces and I think he will.

From what Dreger reported, Boston offered 6M either for 6 or 7 yrs and Pastrnak wasn't interested. Draisaitl is also a center, which gives him a bit more clout. Dreger said Pastrnak's comparable is Tarasenko which is the number his agent seems to want.


It's a tough situation, Boston is correct to be cautious as 'star' and 'projected to be star' are 2 different things. I think he will be a star but there's nothing wrong with signing a bridge deal, helping your team, the town you play for and working for it.

And he knows that he is a big part of their offense and they will ,I think, suffer w/o him.

I thought Boston had offered 7 years at $6M a season.

 

[deeshamrock]

I thought Boston had offered 7 years at $6M a season.

From the initial stuff I read, 6M was where they drew the line, 6 yrs was the number I heard but then a couple reports said they were willing to move to 7.
Problem is Pastrnak number starts a lot higher and he wanted 8 yrs.

I guess that was discussed at the meeting yesterday. I think if both sides are that far apart, a bridge deal, 2 x 6.5 would work. But I'm not sure, from what I read, that Pastrnak wants a bridge deal.

 

[KINGS17]

From the initial stuff I read, 6M was where they drew the line, 6 yrs was the number I heard but then a couple reports said they were willing to move to 7.
Problem is Pastrnak number starts a lot higher and he wanted 8 yrs.

I guess that was discussed at the meeting yesterday. I think if both sides are that far apart, a bridge deal, 2 x 6.5 would work. But I'm not sure, from what I read, that Pastrnak wants a bridge deal.

Pastrnak is an RFA. The Bruins can take the same approach the Kings did with Doughty. Pastrnak is a fine player, but he is a winger and isn't a player who is going to be the kind of difference maker which commands a $56M - $64M contract.

He had his best season by far last season. If he wants a a long term deal with a much bigger cap hit than $6.5M, let him sign a bridge deal and prove he can do it consistently.

I think Cam Neely has correctly identified Filip Forsberg as a good comp for Pastrnak.

 

[johnjm22]

If Forsberg is the comp, then 7M+ on an 8 year deal is the right number because Pastrnak would be giving up more UFA years.

 

[deeshamrock]

Some updates on the contract holdout front on Pastrnak, Bennett and Athanasiou

Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger · 3h3 hours ago

Andreas Athanasiou in ongoing discussions with KHL teams. Unless something shifts in Detroit, indications are Athanasiou will jump to KHL.



Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger · 2h2 hours ago

 Still a sizable gap in contract talks between the Flames and Sam Bennett. Possibility Bennett heads overseas until a deal in Calgary is done

THey have the same agent, but other than that, not the same situation. I've seen how good Athanasiou is and IMO, should have spend most of his shifts with Larkin , I didn't like the way he was used. He did make the very most out of his shifts. So I get why he might be holding out.
But not Bennett, kid was drafted 4th overall and although in spurts has looked good, overall, not enough to have a 'sizable' gap....


Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger · 47m47 minutes ago

 Pastrnak continues to use Draisaitl as comparison in extension talks with Bruins. 8 yr term would give up 4 UFA years.

 

[deeshamrock]

Allan Walsh‏Verified account @walsha · 3h3 hours ago

Forward PA Parenteau has accepted a PTO from the Detroit Red Wings. He's averaged 17 goals per season over the last 2 years.





Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC · 1h1 hour ago
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Sam Bennett has a two-year deal in CAL. $1.95M AAV


That's about what he should get, a show me contract...good he got that done before camp. He should be only focusing on his game.

and

Friedman's piece on the new penalty for offside challenges, which will add a definite turn in things, esp in close games.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-rule-adds-pressure-nhl-coaches-asking-offside-challenge/

From now on, a failed offside challenge will result in a two-minute penalty against the club asking for the review. It’s a potentially powerful infraction. Can you imagine a team in a tight game giving up a goal it thought was offside, losing the challenge, then having to withstand an immediate power-play opportunity? It’s going to make bench bosses much more wary — and ratchet up the pressure on video coaches.

another new change that will affect things,

Another adjustment that will have strategic impact. Teams are no longer able to call timeout after icing the puck. The other club can still do so if it wishes, but tired defenders won’t be able to ask for the extra rest.

 

[kingsboy11]

I think the not being able to call timeout after an icing is going to make much more of an impact than the penalty after a failed video review. I'm actually surprised they went through with that.