Around the League '16-'17 Other Teams' Free Agent Frenzy
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Ziggy Stardust
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I'm guessing because it doesn't put them in any position to score and makes them pretty much obsolete, and the puck is then rotated among the same three guys with shots being directed from the point, and it didn't seem to work since it was obvious that is what they are going for and the three Caps' penalty killers read it.
I didn't see it, but that sounds more like execution etc,
The reason why some coaches use that formation, is it provides the guy two outlets, it's about getting the defenders moving back and forth etc, to open up a seam, if done properly, and you get the two low defenders switching up etc, you create a missed assignment and it opens up etc.
But like I said, didn't see the one being talked about and I am just talking in generalities.
SettlementRichie10
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The two players below the goal line are not scoring threats, so it completely invalidates your two man advantage. Tippet used it a lot in Phoenix and it was awful there, too.
It’s textbook “passing the puck into the net” offensive mentality. The idea is you have two passers in dangerous passing areas, but the PK still only has to cover three shooters, which again invalidates the entire advantage of a 5v3.
It’s textbook “passing the puck into the net” offensive mentality. The idea is you have two passers in dangerous passing areas, but the PK still only has to cover three shooters, which again invalidates the entire advantage of a 5v3.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Agree 100%.
And I think Blake understands. Reider really didn't look to good here, but that is the type of player the Kings need for lower lines.
As far as getting the 1st line goal-scoring winger, that is going to be the bigger challenge. Lombardi's drafting and trading of draft picks really did set this team back significantly.
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Ziggy Stardust
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
That Holtby save was nails.
I think both things are true but Miller has been a rat like that all playoffs and I can't believe the refs are still biting on it, especially since he's constantly putting them at risk by being an asshole begging to be saved by the lineys during every scrum.
Don't forget Reaves literally scored a goal doing the same thing.
I think both things are true but Miller has been a rat like that all playoffs and I can't believe the refs are still biting on it, especially since he's constantly putting them at risk by being an asshole begging to be saved by the lineys during every scrum.
Don't forget Reaves literally scored a goal doing the same thing.
SettlementRichie10
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Vegas is having a lot of trouble with Washington’s trap, as well as their east west play making. Trotz looks like the superior coach thus far, which has been an area undeniably tilted in Vegas’s favor up until now.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
We have goals these finals from Brooks Orpik, Ryan Reaves, and 2x Tomas Nosek.
I don't know shit about hockey.
I don't know shit about hockey.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Good point about the east to west playmaking. Seems to be that defensive mobility is one area to attack Vegas, something they didn't have to deal with vs. the Kings and Sharks who play a more north and south game.
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How could Blake have known?
WHOneedsSOX
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Didn't look like a hit to me. Looked like a guy trying to get into position in front of the net and Miller knowing that and selling the contact since he knew he refs were calling that tonight. Looked like a play we see every single shift with two guys battling for position in front of the net. It wasn't blatant enough for me to say it was a stupid penalty with 25 minutes left in the game with the way Vegas can score. Playing prevent defense doesn't work too often (did tonight though) against Vegas and Oshie was trying to get that likely clinching 3 goal lead.
SettlementRichie10
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If Vegas has a weakness, it’s definitely in defensive zone mobility. They’re tough along the boards and below the goal line in traditional north-south dump and chase, as you said. But these east west backdoor plays have been picking them apart. Trotz did his homework. Guys like McNabb are still average, at absolute best, in defending against dynamic offense. They’re not exactly adept at reading and adjusting to these plays. They’re constantly blowing their coverage because Washington keeps them guessing east to west.
After the Jets series, I thought this was all but in the bag for Vegas. They seemed to have everything going for them. But now I’m really unsure. If Gallant doesn’t make adjustments, or cannot make adjustments due to his personnel, Vegas may lose this series.
Overall, though, it’s still very close. Holtby made a Herculean save at the end there to preserve the lead. Game one was close, too. And now Washington is dealing with a major injury. Could go either way.
KingsFan7824
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It's also a chicken or egg situation. Last year, Eller had 0g and 5pts in 13 playoff games. This year, 6g and 17pts in 21 games. Is he always good depth, or did he just become good depth because he's doing something? Beagle had 0g and 0pts in 13 games last year. He has 2g and 6pts in 20 this year.
In the 2011 calendar year, would anyone have said Dwight King would one day be quality playoff depth for a period of time? I don't think anyone was waiting for him to emerge. He was just a dude.
Not scoring threats? Beg to differ with you, but I guess it would depend on how you determine what a threat is, I mean one can argue that the guys on the point or the half wall aren't scoring threats either....
SettlementRichie10
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Easier than you think there squirt.....not sure what you are getting at, but the purpose of the two guys behind the net, is to draw defenseman out of position, not to fire the puck...you realize that right?
SettlementRichie10
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Yes, I understand it perfectly. I even laid out the theory behind the setup in my previous post. Did you not read it?
In the modern triangle PK, two behind the goal line is a pointless setup. You're not going to draw a disciplined PK unit away from the house during a 5v3. They'll simply maintain position, cover the shooters, and let the passers behind the goal line fiddle around with the puck. The players behind the goal line are fundamentally non-scoring threats at those angles, which again, negates the raw man advantage of a 5v3. This is precisely what happened to Vegas last night, and they failed to generate a single quality scoring chance with the setup.
Successful 5v3s in today's game set up an umbrella of point shooters, with two down low cycling between east-west backdoor threats, screeners, and tippers. The umbrella attempts to pressure inward, taking away zone defensive coverage. All five players are scoring threats, and can outnumber the PK unit on a rebound collapse. OR they can move the puck to a player down low and threaten a backdoor, which WILL move a defenseman out of position. If the player down low is behind the f***ing goal line, they're not a scoring threat, and don't need to be stick checked.
This is exactly what happened last night. I don't understand why you're contending this.
KINGS17
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The only way the PP setup of two behind the goal line works well in a 5-on-3 is if one of the players on the PP below the goal line is willing to step quickly from behind the goal line to the front of the net. This should cause the 3 defenders to collapse. Then you are looking for a quick shot on goal and a rebound going to a player from the point moving into the slot.
SettlementRichie10
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Exactly. It's not an utterly useless setup, but I do find it self-defeating in today's NHL. Most PK units are disciplined enough to simply zone out the passers behind the goal line with defensive control around the goalmouth. At that point, the players behind the goal line cannot jump into a prime scoring area, so they're really not a threat. It's perimeter play of the worst order.
I do find it interesting, though, that coaches with a "score by committee" roster tend to utilize it. Teams with tremendous individual talent will set up in a traditional power play, which allows the individual talent to be, well, dynamic. The two behind the goal line 5v3 is simply hoping for a defensive mistake (a defender collapse, as you described).
Raccoon Jesus
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The strategy in and of itself is a good one, but just like our power play, you can't be static. Putting 5 guys at points of a star is a bad tactic.
Well yea...lol but if you use a follow and replace, you will get guys out of position...the idea that giving the puck carrier two options is a bad thing is insane....
Sol
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My biggest criticism of our power play is that the High umbrella isn't working. We don't how howitzers or elite shooters from the point to even be trying that.
The Kings, for the thousandth time, I don't know why they don't do this , but need to try the low behind the net triangle with pinched in defense. I've seen teams pull apart the PK much more often when they utilize behind the net presence. That behind the net triangle is extremly effective. Kings have the talent to do it as well but they're doing the high umbrella.
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