KINGS17
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Come on guys. The real strawman is presenting any kind of case where the Kings are in the Stanley Cup Final this season with a lucky bounce or two, or 100.
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Master Yoda
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Certainly was possible with a 100... if they're lucky.
deeshamrock
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Overrated...have never been a fan of his game, or lack thereof. Can't believe the Caps just inked him for 5 more years (3.5 M per).
deeshamrock
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"Potentially' ,
In the State of the League address last week, that was one of a few issues that were addressed.
Daly said the estimate was between 78 and 82. Thus the media spitting out 80 but that has yet to be determined.
Bettman And Daly Discuss Expansion, Salary Cap, Playoffs And More In State Of The League Address
Among other things in the address , looking good for Houston to get a team, but not specified whether draft or relocation
No change in the playoff format, League likes it.
Third Jerseys return next year
Bettman ready to talk to NHLPA about the new CBA , earlier this gets started, less chance of work stoppage.
Where has that been said?? Man, talk about hyperbole, guy mentions we didn't the bounces like on Connolly's goal, you associate that with the Carlson-Oshie goal being luck and having people said LA would be in the SCF if they had luck,
That's just freaking brutal....
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Looks like you guys are now building one together, which is a shame, because you were on the right track on the previous page. Agree with you that that's why they play 7-game series, the better team wins.
Go ahead and quote that post you're referencing?
Yeah, he's looked good at moments in these playoffs, but man, you would think he's a surefire top-six player for his whole career the way he's been talked about. Couple that with how he's always out there in the last minute for the Caps and I don't get it.
Eller is an excellent 3rd line center...he's in the perfect spot behind Backstrom and Kuznetsov
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Ziggy Stardust
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The ice time distribution and line management for Vegas is one that I find to be very intriguing.
NHL.com - Stats
No player averaging over 20 minutes per game, and a clearly defined top 4 rotation with Nate Schmidt, Shea Theodore, Brayden McNabb, and Deryk Engelland leading the way, followed by Colin Miller, and Luca Sbisa and Jon Merrill, each appearing in half of the 16 playoff games.
From the forwards, William Karlsson leads them in ice time with a little over 17 minutes. Their fourth line is averaging 8-9 minutes of ice time.
No wonder this team has tons of energy.
NHL.com - Stats
No player averaging over 20 minutes per game, and a clearly defined top 4 rotation with Nate Schmidt, Shea Theodore, Brayden McNabb, and Deryk Engelland leading the way, followed by Colin Miller, and Luca Sbisa and Jon Merrill, each appearing in half of the 16 playoff games.
From the forwards, William Karlsson leads them in ice time with a little over 17 minutes. Their fourth line is averaging 8-9 minutes of ice time.
No wonder this team has tons of energy.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Here's my bracket so you guys can laugh at it:
Outside being optimistic about us you friggin nailed it pretty good though!
Yeah, it's something I've observed for a long time, and was in STARK contrast to us, which was most noticable in that 2ot game where Kopitar played more than anyone but martinez and fantenberg...which isn't shocking till you realize he played more than VGK's d-men, heh.
Even if that were just a normal team that's a great way to save energy, but I recall hearing/reading that they had an additional focus on skating and conditioning, which would add even more value to that.
Putting players in previous depth roles in prominent roles with an opportunity to succeed--AND giving them manageable minutes in which they can go balls out--is a fantastic plan.
Can you imagine if we could afford to give Kopitar 18 minutes a game? Or if Drew knew he was only playing 20? How much harder would he go, you know?
KINGS17
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My mistake. This is from another thread, and it's for next season, not this season. The most optimistic posters think the Kings are winning the cup next season. You must have seen this post. You liked it. Sadly, I am not a charter member of the "lucky bounce" club.
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KingsFan7824
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One issue for them is that Doughty, Muzzin, and Martinez play in every situation. They're at least top 4 at ES, PP, and SH on the team. They used to have Greene, Mitchell, Scuderi, and Regehr to play SH. Phaneuf got some PP time after he got here, but that's easier time. Martinez and Muzzin used to be virtually non-existent when down a man, now they're between 2nd and 4th. Doughty was 4th in SH ice time in both 2012 and 2014.
They need another guy, in addition to Forbort, that can be put out there killing a penalty. Stevens barely used Folin throughout the year, and Phaneuf averaged 14 seconds as a King. If they actually traded Muzzin or Martinez, I don't know what they would do.
johnjm22
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They'd both be much better players.
I don't think it's a question of whether we can afford to, it's a question of whether we can afford NOT to. Does having a tired Doughty/Kopitar on the ice really make us a better team than having our less talented players get more ice time? I'm not so sure.
Gallant says he doesn't care about match-ups. He's right; being able to play with high energy is more important than match-ups.
One way to improve ice time distribution is by not having our best offensive players on the PK.
johnjm22
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Had they used Phaneuf and Folin on the PK more, I doubt it would have made the PK less effective.
And why are we using 33 year old Dustin Brown (who we're dependent on for offense) on the PK when we have Rieder? All we're doing is wasting Brown's energy. Penalty killing is supposed to be one of Reider's best attributes but the Kings decided not to use it.
By swapping Brown with Rieder on the PK you're getting more out of both players. This is an example of good coaching verse bad and why I have little faith in Stevens.
Ziggy Stardust
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Just curious as to how he knows they aren't using video, this guy must have the cushiest job in the league -
| Video Coach | Tommy Cruz |
KingsFan7824
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Yeah, probably no real reason not to play Rieder on the PK. More than Brown, maybe throw him out a bit more instead of Carter, after he's coming back from a slice on the leg.
I get it, they were in a tight playoff race, you gotta do what you gotta do. Still, from game 1 of the season, when MacDermid played less than 9 minutes, zero of which were on the PK, when 2 guys played almost 5 minutes while down a man, that he rides players, and will shorten the bench quickly. Not that MacDermid is all that good. Can't really blame Stevens for that, but yeah, getting no PK time out of Phaneuf and/or Rieder seems excessive. Phaneuf was playing over 2 minutes for the Sens this year, and even last year, including the playoffs, when the Sens were good.
King'sPawn
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Where did it say they don't use video at all? He said they aren't bogged down with it. Do you think when they say they aren't overthinking it, they aren't thinking at all?
Again, how does Brind'amour, who is not involved with the Knights, know what they are doing or not? Yes, it's a nice idea, revolutionary they are teaching and letting them play etc, spoken from a guy not involved with them at all, if McPhee or Gallant, or McCrimmon or any of the Vegas confirms that, then maybe, we will see. If they use video method less than any other NHL team, I would be surprised.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
I seem to recall reading someone else mention that too about Gallant and Vegas, and also one of the big criticism of Gallant when he was ousted in Florida is that he wasn't so reliant on video.
Players want to play and not get bogged down with "assignments" or be pigeonholed. The robotic, monotone hockey of "systems play" has sucked the creativity out of the game.
Agree with you there, problem is, before, that's what won, NHL is going to do what's win, and it trickles down....
typically when everyone spouts systems, it's neutral zone or defensive, offensively it's more concepts and theories more than systems,
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
Interesting quote from Gallant, before he even knew what his team would look like.
Gerard Gallant talks about type of team he wants Golden Knights to be - Sportsnet.ca
Gallant used his third and fourth lines more than any other coach.
He also sent three sets of forwards pairs regularly on the PK, led by Nosek and Bellemare, who play on their fourth line. The second forward pair was Karlsson and Smith, and the third pair of forwards on the PK were made up of their third liners, Eakin and Carpenter.
It goes to show you how having confidence in his players played a big role in them playing above whatever was expected of them. Meanwhile, John Stevens cut his bench short to the point where the top players had no gas left in the tank.
Gerard Gallant talks about type of team he wants Golden Knights to be - Sportsnet.ca
Gallant used his third and fourth lines more than any other coach.
He also sent three sets of forwards pairs regularly on the PK, led by Nosek and Bellemare, who play on their fourth line. The second forward pair was Karlsson and Smith, and the third pair of forwards on the PK were made up of their third liners, Eakin and Carpenter.
It goes to show you how having confidence in his players played a big role in them playing above whatever was expected of them. Meanwhile, John Stevens cut his bench short to the point where the top players had no gas left in the tank.
Vamos Rafa
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I was wondering why the game wasn't on when I had the TV on NBC. LOL @ the SCF being on cable. I know this has been beaten to death, but I hope the next TV contract doesn't resort to this BS.
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I like their music. And I'm 30 so I can't say I'm a young'in. But I'm not a geezer, either, who complains about today's music all the time.
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