Around the League '16-'17 Other Teams' Free Agent Frenzy

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Jets are in the final four. Let’s be honest, the Kings would trade places with them right now. Remind me again how many playoff games the Kings have won in the past four years.

They won as many playoff games this year as team’s who didn’t even qualify for the playoffs. I don’t think discrediting teams in the final four is something Kings fans should be engaging in.

The Kings weren’t exactly the modicum for success prior to 2012. You gotta start somewhere.

I'm not discrediting them at all, if anything, there's some parallel there to, like you say, us before 2012.

I'm just pointing out that the "let's tank and start over" mentality is folly, since that's not even really what they did.

I’d rather be awful and add pieces than lose in the 1st round or miss the playoffs.

If you want to do that and watch 11, 8, 32, 77 slowly decline and have the 14-20 pick every year that is fine, but if the goal is to win a championship the Kings are light years away from Winnipeg. They just attack in waves, all four lines contributing. Our talent at forward is garbage.

That's almost exactly what Winnipeg did, Herby.

You're suffering from grass-is-greener here.

 

[johnjm22]

Like @Raccoon Jesus said, the Jets never did a blow-it-up rebuild.

All they did was hold onto their picks and draft and develop well. They were patient and didn't squander picks/prospects via trades in order to win now. They played the long game.

And that's all the Kings really need to do. Hopefully this process started for us in 2017.

 

[KINGS17]

Like @Raccoon Jesus said, the Jets never did a blow-it-up rebuild.

All they did was hold onto their picks and draft and develop well. They were patient and didn't squander picks/prospects via trades in order to win now. They played the long game.

And that's all the Kings really need to do. Hopefully this process started for us in 2017.

True, the process can be accelerated by moving some players who won't be here in 3 or 4 years. Might as well start accumulating the assets required.

 

[johnjm22]

True, the process can be accelerated by moving some players who won't be here in 3 or 4 years. Might as well start accumulating the assets required.

I agree. If it were up to me I would move some guys like Carter, Muzzin, Amart for as many 1st and 2nd round picks as possible.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Pretty depressing to see two assets from the Lucic trade playing in the WCF and Lucic isn’t even a King anymore.

Thanks, Obama.

 

[johnjm22]

Watching Kucherov, Stamkos and Sergachev on the ice all at the same time is so impressive.

 

[KingTrouty]

TB got gifted that power play. Wilson was tripped into Vasilevskiy, who was sliding across the crease into Wilson's path.

TB is imposing their will so far, despite the tie score.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That second penalty call was even worse, that said, Tampa Bay does this weird thing on the PP called cross ice passing. Don't they know that standing still and passing it along the boards is how you generate the best quality shots?

 

[KINGS17]

Watching Kucherov, Stamkos and Sergachev on the ice all at the same time is so impressive.

Sergachev is a gifted young defenseman. Tampa won that deal with Montreal big time.

 

[KINGS17]

That second penalty call was even worse, that said, Tampa Bay does this weird thing on the PP called cross ice passing. Don't they know that standing still and passing it along the boards is how you generate the best quality shots?

But if you don't keep the puck on the outside it might get intercepted.

 

[johnjm22]

Sergachev is a gifted young defenseman. Tampa won that deal with Montreal big time.

I was thinking that also.

Drouin is a fine top 6 forward, but Sergachev could be something special. It's so rare for a teenage rookie defensemen to be this competent right away. Hedman wasn't this good at 19.

Montreal could have had Subban and Sergachev on their blueline for years to come, but they gave both players away. One of the stupidest organizations in the league.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And Tampa Bay is so ridiculously deep up front that they didn't even need Drouin's 50+ points anymore, they found others to replace his scoring output.

 

[KINGS17]

The Jets never had a fire sale, but on Feb 25, 2016 they made this deal which certainly won't hurt them going forward:

Traded to Chicago

Andrew Ladd Jay Harrison Matt Fraser

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

for

Marko Dano
2016 1st round pick
2018 conditional 3rd round pick

Someone tell me again how the Kings couldn't get much for Jeff Carter. It's time to move some of the Stanley Cup legacy players to jump start this rebuild. It does the Kings absolutely no good to hang on to players like Carter, Muzzin, and Martinez and still lose in the first round or miss the playoffs altogether.

 

[King'sPawn]

The Jets never had a fire sale, but on Feb 25, 2016 they made this deal which certainly won't hurt them going forward:

Traded to Chicago

Andrew Ladd Jay Harrison Matt Fraser

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

for

Marko Dano
2016 1st round pick
2018 conditional 3rd round pick

Someone tell me again how the Kings couldn't get much for Jeff Carter. It's time to move some of the Stanley Cup legacy players to jump start this rebuild. It does the Kings absolutely no good to hang on to players like Carter, Muzzin, and Martinez and still lose in the first round or miss the playoffs altogether.

What you keep overlooking is those players were all expendable or overpaid.

There is nobody in the system who can replace what Carter brings, and trying to replace him with a UFA will probably be too costly.

Muzzin can be replaced. Martinez could be replaced. But Winnipeg did not do a full blown rebuild, and trading players who can't be replaced won't "accelerate" the process. It's just as likely to sabotage the process.

 

[KINGS17]

What you keep overlooking is those players were all expendable or overpaid.

There is nobody in the system who can replace what Carter brings, and trying to replace him with a UFA will probably be too costly.

Muzzin can be replaced. Martinez could be replaced. But Winnipeg did not do a full blown rebuild, and trading players who can't be replaced won't "accelerate" the process. It's just as likely to sabotage the process.

Carter is expendable. The Kings have Kopitar and Brown. We don't need anyone in the system to "replace" Carter, because the Kings aren't going to win jack anyway over the next few seasons.

How is trading players who won't be in the NHL when the Kings will be contenders again going to sabotage the process?

 

[johnjm22]

The Jets never had a fire sale, but on Feb 25, 2016 they made this deal which certainly won't hurt them going forward:

Traded to Chicago

Andrew Ladd Jay Harrison Matt Fraser

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

for

Marko Dano
2016 1st round pick
2018 conditional 3rd round pick

Someone tell me again how the Kings couldn't get much for Jeff Carter. It's time to move some of the Stanley Cup legacy players to jump start this rebuild. It does the Kings absolutely no good to hang on to players like Carter, Muzzin, and Martinez and still lose in the first round or miss the playoffs altogether.

They also got a 2015 1st round (plus Myers & Armia) when they moved Kane and Bogosian to Buffalo.

That first became Roslovic, who's not an NHL regular yet, but looks like he's gonna be a good one.

There is nobody in the system who can replace what Carter brings, and trying to replace him with a UFA will probably be too costly.

Muzzin can be replaced. Martinez could be replaced. But Winnipeg did not do a full blown rebuild, and trading players who can't be replaced won't "accelerate" the process. It's just as likely to sabotage the process.

Every team has holes. Carter didn't even play most of last year. Moving him won't be catastrophic.

Statistically speaking, he likely has very few year(s) of productivity left in him (if any).

 

[johnjm22]

Tampa has more top end talent, but it feels like Washington is playing a tighter more cohesive team game. With a more consistent effort.

 

[King'sPawn]

Carter is expendable. The Kings have Kopitar and Brown. We don't need anyone in the system to "replace" Carter, because the Kings aren't going to win jack anyway over the next few seasons.

How is trading players who won't be in the NHL when the Kings will be contenders again going to sabotage the process?

This has been said multiple times. You trade Carter, you have to have someone play the 2nd line center role. To fill that second line center role, you either play a prospect who's in over his head or you overpay for a player to fill the role anyway.

Which of these powerhouses in the final four are here because they "accelerated their rebuild" by trading away players just for value's sake, instead of ensuring the youth was able to take over?

 

[ru4reals]

All I gots to say is Caps vs. Jets Cup Finals is gonna be awesome. I'd watch that cuz I haven't watched a game since we got bounced like years ago. Laine vs. Ovi is gonna be goood.

 

[johnjm22]

This has been said multiple times. You trade Carter, you have to have someone play the 2nd line center role. To fill that second line center role, you either play a prospect who's in over his head or you overpay for a player to fill the role anyway.

Which of these powerhouses in the final four are here because they "accelerated their rebuild" by trading away players just for value's sake, instead of ensuring the youth was able to take over?

An accelerated rebuild is when you trade away futures (picks, prospects, young players) to start winning sooner.

Carter didn't play most of last year. I don't see how it hurt anyone's development. In fact it may have helped Kempe.

 

[Winger23]

Carter is expendable. The Kings have Kopitar and Brown. We don't need anyone in the system to "replace" Carter, because the Kings aren't going to win jack anyway over the next few seasons.

How is trading players who won't be in the NHL when the Kings will be contenders again going to sabotage the process?

What's the point in keeping brown or Kopitar if they aren't going win jack anyhow. They might as well trade everyone worth a damn over the age of 23 and hope they can compete in 2025.

 

[KINGS17]

What's the point in keeping brown or Kopitar if they aren't going win jack anyhow. They might as well trade everyone worth a damn over the age of 23 and hope they can compete in 2025.

Good idea, trade them as well. KP insists the Kings need to keep some veteran leadership, so I included those two in the "keep" list. Highly doubtful either one of those two contracts could be moved anyway, plus Kopitar has a NTC.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

When’s the last time a scorched Earth approach ever worked for a team to build itself back as a contender? Serious question, I can’t think of this idea ever working, and it usually takes more than a decade to get there, see the 90s Penguins until 2009.

The Oilers never recovered from their big sell offs in the 80s and early 90s. It doesn’t work. Unless you expect a turn around in you want another 20 years.

 

[Reaper45]

All I gots to say is Caps vs. Jets Cup Finals is gonna be awesome. I'd watch that cuz I haven't watched a game since we got bounced like years ago. Laine vs. Ovi is gonna be goood.

I haven't watched a game since the Kings lost.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I haven't watched a game since the Kings lost.

You’ve been missing out on some good hockey. It’ll also make one take notice that there is no way the Kings could keep up with the pace the remaining team’s are playing in.