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Around the League '16-'17 Other Teams' Free Agent Frenzy

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Raccoon Jesus said:
Sure, last year's Rangers. Or by your standards, the Blackhawks.

I know you're meaning us here, but there are examples.
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Yes, the Kings are a prime example.

The Blackhawks do have several bad contracts. It's not working out so well ever since those kicked in for them.

This new model where a team pays their top two or three players on their 3rd contracts isn't working. Maybe Edmonton will have better luck doing it with players on their 2nd contracts.

I think the best players are always going to be paid the most money. Nothing wrong with it. However, the NHL is much closer to the NFL when it comes to being a team competition. The NBA and MLB have many more one-on-one battles and the outcomes can be dominated by a few superstar players.

I think the NHL owners are heading for the NFL model where players can be cut. It needs to happen. Owners can't afford to hand out a $10M+ contract per season to a guy for 8 years and have him start to under perform one, two, or three years into the deal.
 
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New and notes from around the NHL

Arizona Coyotes signed Michael Latta to a 1yr deal

Kovalchuk to KHL- Devils tried to sign him (to trade) but his asking price was too high

Rangers sign center David Desharnais to 1 yr , 1M

Caps sign Andre Burakovsky to a two-year, $6MM deal


KHL Dynamo released 42 players. A list here for those who were released. Klim Kostin, was signed by the Blues today on an ELC.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/?status=league&view=&leagueid=192

According to this report, the team's offices were raided and they are now under embezzlement investigation and over 35M in debt]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/khl-dynamo-moscow-raid-1.4142843
 
KINGS17 said:
Yes, the Kings are a prime example.

The Blackhawks do have several bad contracts. It's not working out so well ever since those kicked in for them.

This new model where a team pays their top two or three players on their 3rd contracts isn't working. Maybe Edmonton will have better luck doing it with players on their 2nd contracts.
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Teams have to pay the piper at some point. Do it now, do it later, or trade the guy that will want a huge contract as early as you can for as much unknown future asset value as possible. Pay the player early, and it'll hurt today, but if the cap goes up then it'll probably help later. Pay the player later, and it helps today, but when do you trade him? The Oilers could trade McDavid and what sounds like will be the highest cap hit in the league before he signs this deal, but then nobody will take the Oilers seriously as an organization. Any option has both an up and down side. As they say, can't win, can't break even, and can't get out of the game.
 
KINGS17 said:
I think the NHL owners are heading for the NFL model where players can be cut. It needs to happen. Owners can't afford to hand out a $10M+ contract per season to a guy for 8 years and have him start to under perform one, two, or three years into the deal.
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If you are talking about non-guaranteed contracts, I do not see it happening. Like I mentioned previous (somewhere in this thread), what's it in for the NHLPA?

You think Donald Fehr and Schnieder go back to their membership and say "guys, no more guaranteed contracts, and further to this we don't get anything back from the owners for giving this up".

The membership would tell him/both guys to go **** themselves and probably **** can them on the spot.

The NHLPA will do everything it can to protect it's established/veteran players. Guys are looking for that pension cheque which can be a nice little stocking stuffer once the playing days are said and done especially if you have had an extended career.

However, I could see a scenario in the next CBA whereby there is a one-time buyout per club on a player so nothing counts against the cap if you wanted to rid yourself of a Gaborik type albatross.

It would probably be ideal if there was a cap on maximum term offered, say 5/6 years. Or have something whereby the team retaining the player can offer a 5/6-year maximum while another club looking for his services can only offer 4/5 years max. I know others, I believe you as well, on here have mentioned this in different degrees.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Teams have to pay the piper at some point. Do it now, do it later, or trade the guy that will want a huge contract as early as you can for as much unknown future asset value as possible. Pay the player early, and it'll hurt today, but if the cap goes up then it'll probably help later. Pay the player later, and it helps today, but when do you trade him? The Oilers could trade McDavid and what sounds like will be the highest cap hit in the league before he signs this deal, but then nobody will take the Oilers seriously as an organization. Any option has both an up and down side. As they say, can't win, can't break even, and can't get out of the game.
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In the Oilers case, I think it is worth the risk to see where a high dollar, max length contract will take them.

If you are going to give a player a deal like this, now is the time to do it, not when he is 29 years old.

With the current guaranteed contract system it makes no sense to give players around the age of 30 eight year deals.
 
kovacro said:
If you are talking about non-guaranteed contracts, I do not see it happening. Like I mentioned previous (somewhere in this thread), what's it in for the NHLPA?

You think Donald Fehr and Schnieder go back to their membership and say "guys, no more guaranteed contracts, and further to this we don't get anything back from the owners for giving this up".

The membership would tell him/both guys to go **** themselves and probably **** can them on the spot.

The NHLPA will do everything it can to protect it's established/veteran players. Guys are looking for that pension cheque which can be a nice little stocking stuffer once the playing days are said and done especially if you have had an extended career.

However, I could see a scenario in the next CBA whereby there is a one-time buyout per club on a player so nothing counts against the cap if you wanted to rid yourself of a Gaborik type albatross.

It would probably be ideal if there was a cap on maximum term offered, say 5/6 years. Or have something whereby the team retaining the player can offer a 5/6-year maximum while another club looking for his services can only offer 4/5 years max. I know others, I believe you as well, on here have mentioned this in different degrees.
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Why would the owners go for this. History tell us the owners win the majority of the negotiating points when there is a lockout. It only costs them money.

I favor the non-guaranteed contract. From a fan's perspective, it puts the best product on the ice.

Maybe the owners allow the players to go UFA a year earlier as a bone to the NHLPA, but make no mistake, the owner's have the leverage and time is always on their side.
 
KINGS17 said:
Why would the owners go for this. History tell us the owners win the majority of the negotiating points when there is a lockout. It only costs them money.

I favor the non-guaranteed contract. From a fan's perspective, it puts the best product on the ice.

Maybe the owners allow the players to go UFA a year earlier as a bone to the NHLPA, but make no mistake, the owner's have the leverage and time is always on their side.
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It will be ugly and a full season lockout if non guaranteed contracts are a sticking point. There seems to be in fighting with the NHLPA (a few vocal agents) stating the owners continue to rip the players off by not correctly reporting hockey related revenues, etc.

Players might eventually cave, but it would be bad for hockey if there is a long and hostile negotiation
 
damacles1156 said:
McDavid signs Eight years 12.5 million, worth it.

Just pushed Doughty's asking price higher.
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I think Kopitar, Subban, Carey Price, have a bigger impact on the Doughty number than McDavid.

The 10 million plus contract was set in motion long before the McDavid deal.

Doughty will never get 12 million, it is given though he will get 10.
 
fsanford said:
I think Kopitar, Subban, Carey Price, have a bigger impact on the Doughty number than McDavid.

The 10 million plus contract was set in motion long before the McDavid deal.

Doughty will never get 12 million, it is given though he will get 10.
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Yup, McDavid is from the new generation of players so his contract will be taken into consideration for players like Matthews, Laine, Barkov, etc.
 
If I was Doughty, I would ask to be the highest paid player in the league.

Doughty is a generational defender, with championships already.
 
Cruel11 said:
Yup, McDavid is from the new generation of players so his contract will be taken into consideration for players like Matthews, Laine, Barkov, etc.
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Also as these new generation of you guys sign these deals and the cap barely creeps up, it does take away the options for a guy like Doughty.

Toronto is gonna shell out 11 million plus for Matthews, Nylander and Marner are gonna get big raises.

Sabres gonna need to give Eichel a big raise.

(Kind of makes me appreciate even more, the number Blake got out of Toffoli and
Pearson.)


You probably have room to pay 2 guys around 20 million total, after that you pretty much cannot pay anyone else over 6 if you want to field a competitive team.
 
fsanford said:
I think Kopitar, Subban, Carey Price, have a bigger impact on the Doughty number than McDavid.

The 10 million plus contract was set in motion long before the McDavid deal.

Doughty will never get 12 million, it is given though he will get 10.[/
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Disagree. He'll get more than 10 and depends on what Karlsson signs for both up the same year. He'll get 12 , and he'll have his pick of teams.
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deeshamrock said:
Disagree. He'll get more than 10 and depends on what Karlsson signs for both up the same year. He'll get 12 , and he'll have his pick of teams.
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Disagree. He'll get more than 10 and depends on what Karlsson signs for both up the same year. He'll get 12 , and he'll have his pick of teams.
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More and more his "pick" of teams will dwindle as their young stars sign their deals.
Eichel, Matthews, Provorov, Leine. League is changing RFA deals are much higher end these days. Bridge deals a thing of the past.

And you already saw beginning in free agency this year, more and more teams realize they are in cap hell. GM's are starting to realize if you sign long term deals with guys hitting 30 you are going to pay dearly in the long run.

Not a great crop mind you but in years past people paid stupid money for marginal guys, not this year, for the most part why is that you suppose?

McDavid is signing for his prime years and will be in his prime when this deal ends.
He is a generational talent and only got 12 millions (I say this tongue in cheek)

Also a lot depends on the cap, but if it stays stagnant, will bet that Doughty tops out at 10 to 10.5. Unlike McDavid you probably are paying for some, shall we say decreasing skill years if you ink him to a 7 year deal.

Will see I guess.
 
damacles1156 said:
McDavid signs Eight years 12.5 million, worth it.

Just pushed Doughty's asking price higher.
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I think a $12.5M is plenty for Drew Doughty.

I have always assumed he will get more than Kopitar, so you mean $11M for Doughty, I agree. I think it's debatable as to whether or not Doughty will be able to lay claim to the title "best player in the NHL" next summer.
 
KINGS17 said:
I think a $12.5M is plenty for Drew Doughty.

I have always assumed he will get more than Kopitar, so you mean $11M for Doughty, I agree. I think it's debatable as to whether or not Doughty will be able to lay claim to the title "best player in the NHL" next summer.
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Where I don't think he'll be able to make a claim at best player. He might at best D man.
But where McDavid should help it's still apples to oranges. 4 RFA years and 4 UFA years to all UFA years.
I also agree he'll ask for more and likely get more than Kopitar. The only hope is that it could be a back diving contract which would lower the overall AAV. So might not be 12.5 only 11-11.5.
 
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