Around the League '15-'16: The Coaches Are WRONG Edition

[YP44]

Actually, I like the trade for Toronto. Able to get rid of Dion's contract with no salary retention for basically a second in 2017. Good deal.

Dion is a good player, but not for his price.

I think it's a win/win.
The leafs actually take on more cap the next two years on players that were either injured or healthy scratches/buried in the AHL in Ottawa. But this deal gives them flexibility.
I think it makes sense for both clubs but I like it more for Ottawa

 

[deeshamrock]

Ottawa dumps 3 bad contracts for one terrible contract. Not a big deal really.

It is for the Leafs, losing 6 ,more yrs at 7M per in a CAP shrinking league. Greening buried in the AHL and Cowen will be bought out. So they clear cap space for the next 5 to 6 yrs.
Getting someone to take Dion's albatross of a contract w/o retaining salary is a good deal.

 

[YP44]

It is for the Leafs, losing 6 ,more yrs at 7M per in a CAP shrinking league. Greening buried in the AHL and Cowen will be bought out. So they clear cap space for the next 5 to 6 yrs.
Getting someone to take Dion's albatross of a contract w/o retaining salary is a good deal.

I agree, but it's not like he won't be a good #2/great#3 for the sens. Just overpaid.
Win/Win.
Two teams at different points in their development. So makes sense for both clubs

 

[deeshamrock]

I think it's a win/win.
The leafs actually take on more cap the next two years on players that were either injured or healthy scratches/buried in the AHL in Ottawa. But this deal gives them flexibility.
I think it makes sense for both clubs but I like it more for Ottawa

They needed a top 4 D and that's good but now they are over 64M with 8 expiring contracts this year, 3 more next year
They'll have some decisions to make.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Ottawa dumps 3 bad contracts for one terrible contract. Not a big deal really.

The question for Ottawa is, does Phaneuf give them more for that money than the guys they traded? If the answer is yes, then it makes sense. The contracts end earlier than Phaneuf's, but is Ottawa going to be able to use that space when available on better players than Phaneuf? Maybe, maybe not. The devil you know and all that.

 

[deeshamrock]

I agree, but it's not like he won't be a good #2/great#3 for the sens. Just overpaid.
Win/Win.
Two teams at different points in their development. So makes sense for both clubs

Agree that Dion or someone in that ilk was needed by them but they now have CAP issues and that will require being CAP creative and not creating too many significant holes in the lineup.

 

[YP44]

They needed a top 4 D and that's good but now they are over 64M with 8 expiring contracts this year, 3 more next year
They'll have some decisions to make.

that $64M includes those expiring contracts. I think they may move away from neil and philips (both could be retiring). So that brings the cap down to $60M with 6 RFA's.
Hoffman and Ceci may get large raises but everyone else will only be slightly more.

Ottawa is a budget team but there is room here.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I agree, but it's not like he won't be a good #2/great#3 for the sens. Just overpaid.
Win/Win.
Two teams at different points in their development. So makes sense for both clubs

Phaneuf is by no means a #2. Borderline #3, more realistically a #4 yeah.

Ottawa saved money and lost nothing off their roster really. It's a win-win, but like I mentioned it boils down to 3 bad for 1 terrible contract.

 

[YP44]

Phaneuf is by no means a #2. Borderline #3, more realistically a #4 yeah.

Ottawa saved money and lost nothing off their roster really. It's a win-win, but like I mentioned it boils down to 3 bad for 1 terrible contract.

Disagree with this part. haters are gonna hate though

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Disagree with this part. haters are gonna hate though

What is said when you have nothing so you try to claim the other side has nothing in return.

He is just brutal as hell in shot suppression. He is a really bad defensive player, poor positioning and makes poor reads. He is still a good skater and has a big shot. He is an older Bogosian, all tools no toolbox. He's never had a toolbox.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't like Phaneuf but Ottawa's defense behind EK and Methot was train wreck terrible; Ceci will be great with a solid d-man but either he or Methot was tasked with carrying a Matt Greene basically on the 2nd pairing. They now have a solid if unspectacular top-4 which should reduce Karlsson's minutes (lol 35, jesus christ) as WELL as Phaneuf's leading to effectiveness for both. And with the 'bonus' that they're all roughly interchangeable as partners.

DP is certainly overpaid but with shipping out those heavy contracts it's not so bad to fill a need.

 

[YP44]

What is said when you have nothing so you try to claim the other side has nothing in return.

He is just brutal as hell in shot suppression. He is a really bad defensive player, poor positioning and makes poor reads. He is still a good skater and has a big shot. He is an older Bogosian, all tools no toolbox. He's never had a toolbox.

Dion is in no way a "borderline #3", if he were a king he would pushing Muzzin for #2. (Don't want anyone to misread that as me saying he is as valuable as muzzin cause he isn't. Muzzin will continue to improve where as Dion is past his prime)

 

[theMajor]

What is said when you have nothing so you try to claim the other side has nothing in return.

He is just brutal as hell in shot suppression. He is a really bad defensive player, poor positioning and makes poor reads. He is still a good skater and has a big shot. He is an older Bogosian, all tools no toolbox. He's never had a toolbox.

Phaneuf is a curious case, he was a very effective dman in Calgary and then he completely **** the bed/unlearned all the characteristics that made him effective once he went to Toronto. I dont know if you blame that on management for the way he was used or the unrealistic expectations they placed on him but it was one of the strangest falls from grace Ive seen. I think he could be a serviceable #2 or #3 at worst, he just needs a structured team to play on. dont see him being very effective in Ottawa

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Phaneuf has no business at all being mentioned with Muzzin

If anything Phaneuf is more comparable to Alec Martinez.

 

[YP44]

Phaneuf has no business at all being mentioned with Muzzin

If anything Phaneuf is more comparable to Alec Martinez.

based on those graphs he would be ahead of A-mart (LA's #3) so pushing Muzzin (LA's #2). Maybe pushing is too strong but we have seen first hand how a change of scenery helps a player (VL). Either way his not "borderline #3".
Being captain in Toronto is very pressure filled. I would expect Dion's numbers, and these graphs, to improve after this deal.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

based on those graphs he would be ahead of A-mart (LA's #3) so pushing Muzzin (LA's #2). Maybe pushing is too strong but we have seen first hand how a change of scenery helps a player (VL). Either way his not "borderline #3".
Being captain in Toronto is very pressure filled. I would expect Dion's numbers, and these graphs, to improve after this deal.

That's also relative to teammates. So Martinez can look worse since he is compared to Doughty whereas Phaneuf looks better compared to Toronto crap. Note it has to be compared to teammates since Corsi without that can be hugely misleading due to team effects.

He is 3/4 at best. He simply cannot be on a top pairing playing #2, he allows so so many chances against. These graphs are NOT EVERYTHING. I know that. Watch Phaneuf though his positioning is brutal. He makes bad reads with and without the puck. It's more subtle than guys like Burns or Byfuglien, but he is so much worse defensively than those guys it's funny. Phaneuf has gotten a reputation for being ok at defense just cause his offense is no longer prolific. This is false, he has not improved defensively very much, if at all. In fact the fact that he spends more time in the defensive end now that he isn't such an awesome force makes him worse.

Just for fun here's some other Kings guys. Please note that this is last 3 years albeit weighted towards current year (44% this year, 31% last year, 25% two years) so a guy like Ehrhoff is living off the past a bit.

 

[Jeff18]

That Muzzin graph is ridiculous.

Phaneuf is a solid defender when he is playing top 4 or 6 minutes. If he gets the same time and situations as Muzzin he will fail miserably. He's getting pretty old too. I'm sure he will help out Ottawa this year though.

 

[kovacro]

Well, I suppose clearing out that Phaneuf contract sets the Leafs up to take a good shot at Stamkos in the off-season should he not resign in TB.

 

[YP44]

That Muzzin graph is ridiculous.

Phaneuf is a solid defender when he is playing top 4 or 6 minutes. If he gets the same time and situations as Muzzin he will fail miserably. He's getting pretty old too. I'm sure he will help out Ottawa this year though.

he's 30. So he will be old at the end of his deal, but right now not too old IMO

 

[YP44]

Well, I suppose clearing out that Phaneuf contract sets the Leafs up to take a good shot at Stamkos in the off-season should he not resign in TB.

Looks like that's what they are doing. I hope like how the knicks cleared space for lebron, Stamkos doesn't go to TO

 

[YP44]

not sure where to put this but the 50th anniversary patch will look pretty cool if these are them,
http://mayorsmanor.com/2016/02/likely-leak-of-la-kings-50th-anniversary-logo/

 

[Ollie Weeks]

That actually looks really good.

 

[YP44]

That actually looks really good.

agreed. they should use the first logo on the left permanently or as the basis of a 3rd jersey

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

I'm just glad I don't have to worry about Phaneuf coming here anymore

 

[YP44]

I'm just glad I don't have to worry about Phaneuf coming here anymore

i wonder when the trade threads start about Ottawa shipping him?