Around the League '15-'16: PP Points Don't Count Edition

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I keep repeating this over and over, but Brown needs to stick to his strengths, AKA making demolishing hits at key points in games to swing momentum. He can still make some big hits. He can't handle the puck well anymore, so his goals need to come from the gritty areas around the front of the net. He needs to simplify his game big time, much like McNabb needs to do as well.
 
I think the wear and tear of pounding on people throughout his career have taken it's toll on D Brown. I don't mind him on this team as a third or fourth line grinder but just wish we had more depth on the top six. We aren't going anywhere if Kopi, Carter, and Toffoli are a no show.
 
I think the wear and tear of pounding on people throughout his career have taken it's toll on D Brown. I don't mind him on this team as a third or fourth line grinder but just wish we had more depth on the top six. We aren't going anywhere if Kopi, Carter, and Toffoli are a no show.

I just wish he was paid like a 3rd/4th line grinder
 
I just wish he was paid like a 3rd/4th line grinder

Everyone does, except Brown and his family. And I guess any GM of a rival team that isn't getting him.

It was an issue of bad timing. His contract was up after 2013. So the 2012 playoffs are still fresh in the mind. His 2013 regular season was pretty good. 2nd highest sh% in his career. 8 PP goals.

There was no Gaborik. There was no Lucic. No reason to think either guy would be a King either. Richards hadn't fallen off the cliff yet. He was coming off a pretty good season himself. One of the better forwards for the team in the playoffs.

So A) there was no reason to let Brown go that summer(or trade him at the 2013 deadline), B) who would have replaced him at the time if he wasn't here, and C) while it's clear players don't get better as they get older, who was thinking it was going to happen right away? He starts the 13-14 season with 2 goals in 14 games, 3 in 21, 4 in 28, and it's been a long 3 years since.
 
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-wrapping-up-the-nhl-trade-deadline/

EF’s 30 thoughts…most of the thoughts on the deals that happened and those that didn’t,why and the ones that almost did. Some interesting stuff.

On Drouin
2. GM Steve Yzerman clarified his Drouin comments to WDAE Radio on Tuesday, saying if Drouin wanted to come back, it would be at AHL Syracuse and not in Florida. Drouin’s agent, Allan Walsh, would not comment. Thought Mark Messier was really good on our trade deadline coverage, saying, “Just play.” It’s the smart thing to do. It’s time. I remember what it’s like to be 20, stubborn as heck because you feel the world is against you. Sometimes you have to step back, admit defeat and use it as fuel for later. Go play.

He’s right.
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Several points on Hamhuis…mentions that the Hawks and Stars both tried and the Hawks were annoyed (good) they didn’t get him. Once Dallas picked Russell, Bowman tried again to get Hamhuis. Why didn’t it go

6. After the Flames and Stars shook hands, signed papers and kissed babies, Nill and Chicago compatriot Stan Bowman went back to Benning. My guess is the Dallas offer was something like a third-round pick. The Canucks GM knew that wouldn’t fly, and invoked the Brian Burke/Mike Cammalleri rule of, “I’m not trading a good player for nothing, because then other teams will think they can do that forever.” The Blackhawks’ package was more complex. It involved unwanted contracts like Bryan Bickell and Chris Higgins. Remember when Toronto and Vancouver tried to make a Robert Luongo trade tight to the end? It didn’t work because things were too complex. Same here. Chicago wanted Hamhuis, too.

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And why did Nill take Russell over Hamhuis…(aside from the fact he’s 5 yrs younger )


8. Okay, let’s move from the pitchforks in British Columbia to the ones online. Marco Rubio vs Donald Trump did not have the passion of the Dan Hamhuis/Kris Russell debate. Analytic acolytes could not believe Nill preferred Russell over Hamhuis. I’ve got no dog in this fight, either guy could play for me anytime, but searched for reasons why Nill might feel this way. I’ve mentioned this season I’m down on analytics, moving toward a preference for player tracking, although one advanced stat proponent I respect warns me to discount Corsi for defencemen at my own peril.

Several teams have said they put great focus on the bluelines — how they exit their own zones and enter the opponents’. So that’s what I do. According to sportlogiq data, Russell is excellent at getting out of his own zone. If you count all of his outlet passes, stretch passes and carry-outs from there, he’s in the top 30 of all NHL defenders. His issues are offensive. He’s nowhere near as involved in that zone. Since TJ Brodie and Mark Giordano faced the toughest competition, that makes Russell’s numbers look worse. An offensively potent club could be a great fit. Time will tell. But, Nill’s earned enough capital in Detroit and Dallas to say, in the hockey battle of Jim Nill versus the Internet, I’ll go with Nill.
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He said the Kings were disappointed they didn’t Schultz.
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Eriksson price was too high…and some info on the gap between contract term and $$

19. Boston’s ask for Loui Eriksson was big. At least a first-rounder and another strong player/prospect. The Bruins know Eriksson fits well, so only a Corleone-style “offer you can’t refuse” was going to pry him loose. It’s going to be hard to close this gap. No one’s talking, but Eriksson and agent JP Barry initially asked for six years, with the club offering three. The Bruins moved to four last week, but Eriksson won’t be going in that direction unless the average annual salary moves up to offset lower term. Boston’s current number is believed to be in the low 5s. No doubt the player and agent would like it to start with a six.
 
Everyone does, except Brown and his family. And I guess any GM of a rival team that isn't getting him.

It was an issue of bad timing. His contract was up after 2013. So the 2012 playoffs are still fresh in the mind. His 2013 regular season was pretty good. 2nd highest sh% in his career. 8 PP goals.

There was no Gaborik. There was no Lucic. No reason to think either guy would be a King either. Richards hadn't fallen off the cliff yet. He was coming off a pretty good season himself. One of the better forwards for the team in the playoffs.

So A) there was no reason to let Brown go that summer(or trade him at the 2013 deadline), B) who would have replaced him at the time if he wasn't here, and C) while it's clear players don't get better as they get older, who was thinking it was going to happen right away? He starts the 13-14 season with 2 goals in 14 games, 3 in 21, 4 in 28, and it's been a long 3 years since.

I would add to the perfect storm with one other point. Was there not talk about new NHL TV deal and how it owuld make the cap go sky high? I don't think the deal was signed off at the time but I think the belief was it was going to be good for the league's revenues and hence cause the cap to go up.

I don't think letting him walk was every part of any conversation but the term on this deal is just killer.
 
I think the wear and tear of pounding on people throughout his career have taken it's toll on D Brown. I don't mind him on this team as a third or fourth line grinder but just wish we had more depth on the top six. We aren't going anywhere if Kopi, Carter, and Toffoli are a no show.

That's the same with every team though. Can the Hawks win if Kane is the only one scoring? Toews is on pace for what, 44 points? Hossa finally is starting to look his age too. Every team's best players have to be their best players.
 
I keep repeating this over and over, but Brown needs to stick to his strengths, AKA making demolishing hits at key points in games to swing momentum. He can still make some big hits. He can't handle the puck well anymore, so his goals need to come from the gritty areas around the front of the net. He needs to simplify his game big time, much like McNabb needs to do as well.

I wish he'd take notice of what Lucic does and just try to emulate that as much as possible. if you have the puck and youre 30+ feet away from the net, drive wide and throw it low for a rebound instead of throwing a muffin on goal. if you dont have the puck in the ozone, get up in the crease and cause havoc, block the goalie from having a clear line of sight on shots. make the defensemen anxious and battle to get you out of there. STIR **** UP! bang in rebounds and try to grease out as many dirty goals as you can. Brown tries to get fancy way too ****ing often instead of going to the dirty areas where we all know the Kings score most of their goals.

I want 2012 playoff Brown back
 
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I think next game I am going to do a shot every time Brown falls down with out contact from the opposition.

Anyone think I will make it through the game?
 
I wish he'd take notice of what Lucic does and just try to emulate that as much as possible. if you have the puck and youre 30+ feet away from the net, drive wide and throw it low for a rebound instead of throwing a muffin on goal. if you dont have the puck in the ozone, get up in the crease and cause havoc. bang in rebounds and try to grease out as many dirty goals as you can. Brown tries to get fancy way too ****ing often and its extremely painful to watch. I want 2012 playoff Brown back

I always joke that with Brown you either get the nice hard shot that's going to hit the glass or you get the soft weak shot that goes straight into the goalies chest. I don't think it's really that outlandish to that's that it's probably true now.
 
I would add to the perfect storm with one other point. Was there not talk about new NHL TV deal and how it owuld make the cap go sky high? I don't think the deal was signed off at the time but I think the belief was it was going to be good for the league's revenues and hence cause the cap to go up.

I don't think letting him walk was every part of any conversation but the term on this deal is just killer.

You're right, that too. That's got to be a big part of the equation. Canadian dollar and all that. If Brown's contract was up in 2014, or certainly last summer, it's a different story.

The 2 seasons prior to the new contract:
128GP, 40G, 83Pts, 17PPG

The 3 seasons after the contract:
223GP, 34G, 77Pts, 4PPG

The big numbers there are the PP goals. It's what comes first though, the PP minutes, or the PP production? The ES goals per game aren't all that different.
 
You're right, that too. That's got to be a big part of the equation. Canadian dollar and all that. If Brown's contract was up in 2014, or certainly last summer, it's a different story.

The 2 seasons prior to the new contract:
128GP, 40G, 83Pts, 17PPG

The 3 seasons after the contract:
223GP, 34G, 77Pts, 4PPG

The big numbers there are the PP goals. It's what comes first though, the PP minutes, or the PP production? The ES goals per game aren't all that different.

I think with the PP the emergence of Toffoli has meant LA has better options on the wing than before. Also previously Richards was occasionally used on the point, so that freed up one more forward spot. So I am not sure if the lack of PP time is from minutes or production but I understand why his minutes have been reduced.
 
Gaborik is a very good player. Brown can't even skate.

I think it's so funny how people think Brown has played "great" with Kopitar and should remain on the first line. He's killing the first line along with Lucic's recent struggles. Kopitar can't do anything when both guys turn the puck over every time they touch it.
 
I think it's so funny how people think Brown has played "great" with Kopitar and should remain on the first line. He's killing the first line along with Lucic's recent struggles. Kopitar can't do anything when both guys turn the puck over every time they touch it.

who has said great? I have said better maybe good.
 
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