Little Psycho
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Just finished watching the third. Where's was the defense?! Karlsson was cheating but Ottawa overall is a hot mess.
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Little Psycho
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cyclones22
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Because you all need to know...EK's per 60 even strength numbers, not including tonight's stellar defensive performance by him, 2.66GF when he's on the ice and a horrendous 2.59GA. How anyone can even talk about his supposed defense to go with his offense is a joke. If the most goals against your team are scored when YOU are on the ice, you're not the best defender in the damn league. I guess you can just blame Methot. It's his fault and EK is just an innocent bystander. In comparison, our overrated guy is at 2.28GF per 60 at even strength and 1.59GA. That's a .69 goal difference as opposed to .07 (which will shrink after tonight is factored in). Wow.
But he's at a point per game pace so that automatically makes him the best defenseman in the league. Whoever doesn't see it is just a hater and doesn't watch Karlsson play according to the main boards. Seriously though he's a fun player to watch and I acknowledge how good he is offensively but I just don't get the best defenseman in the league argument what-so-ever. LOL when they argue he doesn't kill penalties to save his energy. And look what happens when he does as evident tonight. I don't think we would harp on him so much if people would just stop anointing him as the Best in the league and there's no one even close argument. I'm not gonna lie I'm a fan just don't make him out to be the best when he isn't.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
People act like Methot is chopped liver in general but he's a really really good defenseman. He's not Muzzin, but he's a good enough partner that no one can ***** that Karlsson doesn't have defensive help with him. To many OTT fans credit, they acknowledge it's a team depth issue and not a top-end talent issue.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
This will be the year they give the Norris to a player who doesnt make the playoffs because POINTS!
gnarls barkley
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none of the above seems to stop the never-ending train of excuses that roll in every single time any evidence of Karlsson's poor defensive play comes to light
i like the guy, and i have him on two different fantasy teams, but jesus christ he is NOT reliable in any way shape or form in his own end, despite the constant attempts to prove otherwise by spamming things like "30 points" and "he's actually really good at poke checking" (???)
kovacro
Uvijek Vjerni
Clearly his baldness is catching up with him and affecting his game.
Could he just be injured but being stubborn and trying to play through something?
You are correct, just looks like a big can of **** out there.
cyclones22
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And after last night's game, EK is officially a negative presence at even strength. The numbers I posted last night have flipped to 2.59GF/2.65GA per 60. Hilarious. MVP! MVP! Back 2 back Norris baby! For reference sake:
Weber 1.93GF/2.25GA (Apparently Nashville can't score)
Josi 2.15GF/2.23GA (See above)
Ryan Suter 2.42GF/1.70GA (THIS guy is underrated. Suter > Weber)
Klingberg 3.03GF/2.52GA (He can generate offense at least!)
PK 3.08GF/2.29GA (Pretty good numbers by PK. Near the bottom on his team in GA, but a massive differential)
McDonagh 3.10GF/2.32GA (interestingly last on his team in GA).
Keith 2.18GF/2.18GA (Not spectacular, at least not yet)
OEL 2.58GF/2.73GA (Karlssonesque numbers. Next to last on his team in GA)
Ekblad 2.41GF/1.29GA (Absolute monster. When he can play 25+ minutes he'll be upper echelon. Still sitting at 20+)
Annnyyywayy...just a little more information on where the "best of the best" are at even strength. Oh and the WORST King in GA per 60 (not counting Schenn) is Forbort at 2.09GA.
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cyclones22
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Sorry, it was in my original post last night.
Crap and I totally forgot our good friends in St. Louis:
Pietrangelo 1.59GF/1.66GA (Nice defense, but we all knew that. Apparently the Blues can't score goals either...when these guys are on the ice at ES)
Shattenkirk 1.81GF/2.21GA (Yikes)
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gnarls barkley
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KopitarFAN
Reno Sucks!
cyclones22
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As sick as I am of hearing about Karlsson, it is becoming equally tiresome hearing about how snubbed Doughty is.
As a board it would be nice if we could get over it and pay it no mind.
Kings are disrespected and nobody watches them....in other news the sky is blue.
As a board it would be nice if we could get over it and pay it no mind.
Kings are disrespected and nobody watches them....in other news the sky is blue.
Tecumseh
Scorched Earth
Clearly his baldness is catching up with him and affecting his game.
Could he just be injured but being stubborn and trying to play through something?
You are correct, just looks like a big can of **** out there.
He did have a sports hernia after last year's playoffs and elected not to have surgery. Sounds like a pretty stubborn decision to me. Despite that awful drop pass last night, his assist did set up Shea Theodore's game winning goal. Lately with Getzlaf, there's a lot of good and improvement to his game but the bad has just been so crippling.
The Pale King
Go easy on those Mango Giapanes brother...
Is the season over for LA? No games in the last two days, none tonight, none tomorrow. Cool. Middle of January, haven't played the Ducks once.
deeshamrock
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Tecumseh
Scorched Earth
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I think when it comes to defensemen evaluations you have to consider their contexts, too. I think you can throw quality of competition out for all the minute eaters since they're not getting hidden, but deployment is important to look at. Karlsson, Klingberg, OEL for example--straight offensive time. NO/little PK, TONS of PP time--Ek will sit for 4 minutes at a time to be fresh on the other side of a PK for offense. I think voters and pundits around the league don't pay attention to the idea that it's impressive that guys like Suter, Doughty, Josi/Weber play massive PK minutes in addition to 5v5 and PP too. Obviously you want to play to the offensive talents, but that inflates their numbers compared to the deployment of the all-around defensive studs.
In addition, GA, GF, things like that--they're nice comparative tools but it's important to look at in relation to their team too. the reason EK is shocking to me is that he's mid/bottom tier on his team in terms of GF%--that is, the percentage of goals for versus goals against scored when he's on the ice. He's scoring lots, but he's BLEEDING goals, even compared to all his teammates. That's bad. Doughty, meanwhile, is the 2nd d-man on the Kings, 6th overall on the Kings, but only tenths of a percentage behind his usual partner McNabb. And actually, lots of the top D-men are in EK's area--like Weber, Josi, etc.--which you can say is because of big, tough minutes to an extent, so why is Doughty so good at that and =/-?
These are questions Norris voters don't typically ask. I'm genuinely surprised there's not a half-decent "defensive performance" formula yet because there are so many moving parts that it's difficult to evaluate these guys appropriately (publicly, anyway; I'm sure the individual teams have their own assessments).
I dunno, I'm a defenseman myself, so I always watch and wonder these things more than most.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Karlsson is overrated and Doughty is continually snubbed.
Kings are disrespected and nobody watches them. It's not right, I tell you. Least-coast sportswriters should be made to stay up until 1:30 a.m. EST to watch the Kings/Sharks/Ducks play...if not, take away their pens, paper, and press credentials.
Zero Pucks Given
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Didn't he log more ice time than any other defenseman last season, barring Doughty?
Main board ban inc.
There's more of the same stuff on /r/hockey in Reddit. Jesus, you'd think there's an actual law against giving Kings players well-deserved hype.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Suter is absolutely underrated because he's not flashy, he's just efficient. But his performance was also down the last couple of years before coming up this year. He'd be one of my finalists at this point too. And you know that means something because you guys know how I feel about Minnesota 
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