Around the League 14: PLAY GLORIA!

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I like Ehlers, and I think he would fit well here, however, I'm pretty sure that who Waddell/Dundon really want is Laine and his ultra-elite RH sniper talent. I'd give up a huge package for a Laine if I could. Pesce, Necas, two firsts (or an equivalent draft package). I'm pretty sure that Chevy is asking for Pesce in exchange for Ehlers, which I wouldn't do.

 

[Svechhammer]

I like Ehlers, and I think he would fit well here, however, I'm pretty sure that who Waddell/Dundon really want is Laine and his ultra-elite RH sniper talent. I'd give up a huge package for a Laine if I could. Pesce, Necas, two firsts (or an equivalent draft package). I'm pretty sure that Chevy is asking for Pesce in exchange for Ehlers, which I wouldn't do.

Agreed. I'd think about it for Hamilton. But I'd push for it to be Faulk, and I'd use our stack of picks as a sweetener to make it happen.

 

[DaveG]

My guess was Pesce or Hamilton was the ask. If it was for Faulk I can't imagine it wouldn't be done already.

Well, he does have that NTC, even if it's only a 15 team list good chance the Jets are one of the teams he'd block.

But logic suggests they were asking for Pesce, which unless they're offering up Laine or Scheif that just ain't happening.

 

[Lempo]

I like Ehlers, and I think he would fit well here, however, I'm pretty sure that who Waddell/Dundon really want is Laine and his ultra-elite RH sniper talent. I'd give up a huge package for a Laine if I could. Pesce, Necas, two firsts (or an equivalent draft package). I'm pretty sure that Chevy is asking for Pesce in exchange for Ehlers, which I wouldn't do.

Once we get Laine's boyfriend, we'll get Laine also soon enough.

Get Ehlers now.

 

[Canes]

Flyers acquire Braun for their 2nd round pick. Not sure of what to make of their moves so far. San Jose gets some cap space.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Flyers getting experienced D to go along with the youngsters (provorov, Sanheim, etc...). If Hart pans out, they could be a team to watch out for.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Him, Niskanen, and potentially Hayes. Flyers are really improving. And it seems as if they aren't done with their first round pick in play.

 

[Canes]

Niskanen and Braun would have been great adds 2-3 years ago but they're actively declining and on the wrong side of 30. I guess the Flyers hope they somehow bounce back.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Flyers acquire Braun for their 2nd round pick. Not sure of what to make of their moves so far. San Jose gets some cap space.

It's an excellent cap dump from SJ. They get a #41 pick and a 2020 3rd for a good defenseman who makes $3.8M. Guess this was the plan to make sure that EK65 fit.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Niskanen and Braun would have been great adds 2-3 years ago but they're actively declining and on the wrong side of 30. I guess the Flyers hope they somehow bounce back.

I guess it depends on how they are going to use them. They have young guys that showed promise, but inconsistency in Ghost, Provorov, Sanheim, Myers. Maybe they view these trades as getting veteran guys that can help stabilize the D short term. Kind of like Hainsey and Liles did in Carolina a couple years ago.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So has every trade so far involved a Metro team? At least the non-minor ones?

EDIT: Seems that way.
Fox (CAR/NYR)
Hayes (PHI)
Gudas-Niskanen (PHI/WSH)
Trouba (NYR)
Maata (PIT)
Braun (PHI)

 

[Canes]

I guess it depends on how they are going to use them. They have young guys that showed promise, but inconsistency in Ghost, Provorov, Sanheim, Myers. Maybe they view these trades as getting veteran guys that can help stabilize the D short term. Kind of like Hainsey and Liles did in Carolina a couple years ago.

It's an excellent cap dump from SJ. They get a #41 pick and a 2020 3rd for a good defenseman who makes $3.8M. Guess this was the plan to make sure that EK65 fit.

I definitely see why San Jose did it. And for the Flyers, they aren't horrible moves. Just sort of questionable given the recent play of the players they acquired, along with Braun being a UFA next season. Ultimately giving up a 2nd, 3rd and Gudas isn't going to hurt them too much though.

 

[FreshSeabass]

If the cap is under 83M get ready for a bunch of trades. These are the team to take advantage of.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Can we combine Around the League, News and Notes and Offseason Roster building into one thread now that the season is over? The same basic conversation is going on in all three threads.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Can we combine Around the League, News and Notes and Offseason Roster building into one thread now that the season is over? The same basic conversation is going on in all three threads.

Make it happen @garnetpalmetto @DaveG

 

[Canes]

If the cap is under 83M get ready for a bunch of trades. These are the team to take advantage of.

If it's 82 million like some insiders are estimating, there's going to be several teams in cap hell.

Hope we're ready to play vulture.

 

[GoldiFox]

So has every trade so far involved a Metro team? At least the non-minor ones?

EDIT: Seems that way.
Fox (CAR/NYR)
Hayes (PHI)
Gudas-Niskanen (PHI/WSH)
Trouba (NYR)
Maata (PIT)
Braun (PHI)

I don't like the thought of the division getting that much stronger, but at least the Canes have a young team. I imagine JR in Pittsburgh is sweating bullets watching Philly and NYR load up.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If it's 82 million like some insiders are estimating, there's going to be several teams in cap hell.

Hope we're ready to play vulture.

Sitting on 4 NHL RHD, a bunch of NHL ready/near ready prospects, 10 picks in the draft and plenty of cap space so we should be well suited to make some moves if need be.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

Skinner averages 30.2 Goals / 82 Games in his career. Eberle averages 25.7 goals / 82 games. That's not really similar.
Skinner has 1 40+ goals season and 4 30+ goals seasons in his career. Eberle has zero 40G seasons and 1 30+ goal season which was 8 years ago.
Skinner scored more goals than Eberle had points this past season (their contract years).
Since 2010, Skinner is 13th in the NHL in goals scored. Eberle is 27th
Since 2010, Skinner is 5th in the NHL in ES Goals scored. Eberle is 24th.
Eberle averages 33.2 Assists / 82 games in his career. Skinner averages 24.5 assists / 82 games.

Skinner is clearly a more prolific goal scorer and I'd say even an elite goal scorer at ES. Eberle gets more of his points as assists.

Other than both having deficiencies in their game defensively, they aren't similar players.

13th and 27th in goals scored since 2010 isn't comparable in a league of 30 teams with 20 players on the roster?

You guys are just arguing to argue

Obviously Skinner is going to get paid more. I think 50 million more than Eberle is insane.

 

[MinJaBen]

I have to think Toronto is starting to get a tad nervous with all the RHD moves taking place and they are still waiting for a Marner contract to be resolved and have one RHD who wants out.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

13th and 27th in goals scored since 2010 isn't comparable in a league of 30 teams with 20 players on the roster?

You guys are just arguing to argue

Obviously Skinner is going to get paid more. I think 50 million more than Eberle is insane.

LOL. Pot, meet kettle. You pick out 1 of the 6 things I listed.

Skinner's offensive skill, particularly goal scoring, is considerably better than Eberle's. His ES goal scoring is elite. If you can't recognize that, then that's on you. He has shown he can drive offense and score no matter who he plays with. Eberle has scored playing with some of the top players in the NHL (Hall, McDavid, Tavares, Barzal). Skinner has done it playing with Derek Ryan and Victor Rask. First season he gets with an elite center and he puts up 40 goals.

I do agree that the difference between the two isn't as great as the contracts they got, but they shouldn't be paid similarly at all, nor do I think they are similar players as you suggested. I guess if you want to just look at raw points and ignore everything else, that's fine, but it's a pretty lazy way to do it.

 

[Lempo]

Can we combine Around the League, News and Notes and Offseason Roster building into one thread now that the season is over? The same basic conversation is going on in all three threads.

"Notes of Offseason around the League"

 

[AD Skinner]

I knew that no one in the metro was going to sit on their hands, but it's pretty wild how much movement has already happened in the division. I would be very wary of trying to come back with the same team just minus ferland and plus necas.

 

[Chrispy]

Can we combine Around the League, News and Notes and Offseason Roster building into one thread now that the season is over? The same basic conversation is going on in all three threads.

"Notes of Offseason around the League"

"Kev's self-banned topics thread"

 

[My Special Purpose]

LOL. Pot, meet kettle. You pick out 1 of the 6 things I listed.

Skinner's offensive skill, particularly goal scoring, is considerably better than Eberle's. His ES goal scoring is elite. If you can't recognize that, then that's on you. He has shown he can drive offense and score no matter who he plays with. Eberle has scored playing with some of the top players in the NHL (Hall, McDavid, Tavares, Barzal). Skinner has done it playing with Derek Ryan and Victor Rask. First season he gets with an elite center and he puts up 40 goals.

I do agree that the difference between the two isn't as great as the contracts they got, but they shouldn't be paid similarly at all, nor do I think they are similar players as you suggested. I guess if you want to just look at raw points and ignore everything else, that's fine, but it's a pretty lazy way to do it.

I'm not picking a side, and I generally have no issue with arguing just to argue, but I can kinda see both sides of this one.

IMO, Eberle gets a bad rap for one reason or another. Maybe he can't get the stench of Edmonton off of him. And Skinner gets a pass for one reason or another, seemingly emerging blameless from his teams' failure to make the playoffs for nine straight seasons. IMO, they are close enough in value that one shouldn't be making $3.5 million per season more than the other. To me, it shows that Skinner was quite comfortable using every ounce of leverage to his financial benefit, while Eberle -- for one reason or another, known only to him -- didn't.