Around the League 14: PLAY GLORIA!

[DaveG]

If anyone thinks Skinner’s contract is ridiculous.....

Ufa’s still get paid no matter how many times it plays out. Karlsson is 29 and to me has shown clear indication that he’s already breaking down. That contract will be a **** sandwich.

Yep, big part of why the Eberle contract surprised me. UFAs tend to get paid, so seeing a guy take possibly less than market value is always surprising.

Hopefully this opens room for us to get Nyquist our LaBanc.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Yep, big part of why the Eberle contract surprised me. UFAs tend to get paid, so seeing a guy tale possibly less than market value is always surprising.

Hopefully this opens room for us to get Nyquist our LaBanc.

My pick would be Donskoi. He's quite under-the-radar relative to other UFAs, which means that there's a good chance that the Canes will get CDH-type of value in a 4 year deal. I think he'd be an excellent fit as a RH shot on our 3rd line, and he'll be one of the youngest UFAs on the market as he just turned 27.

 

[Canes]

Sharks do what they have to in order to keep Labanc and Meier. Pavelski, Nyquist and Donskoi are goners.

 

[GoldiFox]

Also good for the Canes as potential buyers. Vegas already above $83 million.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I'm leaning toward Pavelski not returning, signing somewhere else out west.

 

[bleedgreen]

Somewhere I saw the name Arvidsson out there as Nashville may want to clear space?

A righty on a great contract who can dangle and snipe. Yes please if remotely true. I’m filing that one under unlikely but there should be some good options out there that fill our preference of having term left.

 

[Canes]

As long as Aho remains unsigned along with us having no goalies, I doubt we'll be buying anything.

 

[MinJaBen]

Also good for the Canes as potential buyers. Vegas already above $83 million.

One Haula for peanuts, please. He’d be fantastic as our 3c.

 

[Svechhammer]

All these teams with cap issues and we're sitting here with one of the youngest teams in the league with some of the most Cap room, having just come off a season where we ran it to the Conference Finals, just scratching the surface on the potential we have.

We might be able to abuse some cap strapped teams in the coming weeks and months.

 

[My Special Purpose]

When was the luncheon?

The rest of that nonsense I’m not wasting time responding to.

You must be really hating all this recent success in the org. It really messes with your need for Whalers-like mediocrity. We did something controversial. It clearly paid off in spades. But it sucks because RF was on the right track and would have been there if he'd just been given another 10-15 years. Same as when Larry Pleau, Eddie Johnston, Paul Holmgren and Emile Francis were on the right track. Maybe you should root for the Sabres now since the WhalerCanes aren't the lovable losers anymore.

 

[bleedgreen]

You must be really hating all this recent success in the org. It really messes with your need for Whalers-like mediocrity. We did something controversial. It clearly paid off in spades. But it sucks because RF was on the right track and would have been there if he'd just been given another 10-15 years. Same as when Larry Pleau, Eddie Johnston, Paul Holmgren and Emile Francis were on the right track. Maybe you should root for the Sabres now since the WhalerCanes aren't the lovable losers anymore.

Awwwwww......that’s cute!

I hope I have five just like you. You didn’t answer the question?

 

[GoldiFox]

Somewhere I saw the name Arvidsson out there as Nashville may want to clear space?

A righty on a great contract who can dangle and snipe. Yes please if remotely true. I’m filing that one under unlikely but there should be some good options out there that fill our preference of having term left.

Arvidsson is a god-tier contract among the likes of Slavin. I'd be surprised if he was the one Nashville moved, although I'm sure he would bring in a haul. From the Canes they would likely be looking at Pesce+ or Hamilton++.

Arvidsson scored 25 5v5 goals in 58 games last year. That rate (1.85 5v5 G/60) was by far #1 in the NHL with #2 being John Tavares (1.58 5v5 G/60). Over a full season Arvidsson's pace would equate to 35 goals in 5v5 play. The last time any player scored that many 5v5 goals in a year was Steven Stamkos in 2011-12 with 41 goals. Arvidsson making just $4.25 million per year for the next 5 years.

 

[bleedgreen]

Arvidsson is a god-tier contract among the likes of Slavin. I'd be surprised if he was the one Nashville moved, although I'm sure he would bring in a haul. From the Canes they would likely be looking at Pesce+ or Hamilton++.

Arvidsson scored 25 5v5 goals in 58 games last year. That rate (1.85 5v5 G/60) was by far #1 in the NHL with #2 being John Tavares (1.58 5v5 G/60). Over a full season Arvidsson's pace would equate to 35 goals in 5v5 play. The last time any player scored that many 5v5 goals in a year was Steven Stamkos in 2011-12 with 41 goals. Arvidsson making just $4.25 million per year for the next 5 years.

I would just offer the draft picks. All of them.

I would expect a pretty good haul back too but a couple of our higher picks and a prospect not named Necas might interest them? I agree they’ll probably find another way to clear cash, if he isn’t considered a core player someone should slap someone.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

And *that* is my issue with RF as a GM. Not that he didn't make any hockey trades. Maybe they weren't out there. Whatever. But the guy had *zero* creativity. He did exactly the bare minimum he had to do and not one bit more. Zero imagination, zero guts.

I thought the Teravainen trade was very creative. He boxed Chicago in and pried loose an NHL player that was a potential long-term piece at a reduced price, creating a model for future trades around the league (Bolland, Mason, Hossa, etc.) The compensation could have easily been a draft pick instead. Where would the Canes be right now without that deal?

 

[My Special Purpose]

Awwwwww......that’s cute!

I hope I have five just like you. You didn’t answer the question?

In what world am I required to answer your question? And on top of that, what difference does it make? So, I'll tell you the luncheon was in December of 2017. That changes what? You know everything and nobody else knows anything. Your mind can't be changed. Why do I have to show you the receipts when they change nothing? I have *all* the receipts. I have four years of losing. What do you have, aside from being the only smart person in the room?

 

[AD Skinner]

I'm eating lunch right now, and its delicious

 

[bleedgreen]

In what world am I required to answer your question? And on top of that, what difference does it make? So, I'll tell you the luncheon was in December of 2017. That changes what? You know everything and nobody else knows anything. Your mind can't be changed. Why do I have to show you the receipts when they change nothing? I have *all* the receipts. I have four years of losing. What do you have, aside from being the only smart person in the room?

Thank you for acknowledging my burden, and just know I carry it with a heavy heart.

I wasn't doubting you were there, oh emotional one. I was asking because I was curious when it was in terms of Hanifin's development/timeline. If you said it was the summer after he was drafted I would roll my eyes that it was your example, but you saying it was towards the end of his tenure holds more weight for your argument - which is why I wanted you to answer before I replied to what you had said about RF never ever ever trading him. I can listen and respect other opinions, even have my mind changed by them. I do believe you that Francis really liked Hanifin as a prospect and definitely wasn't looking to trade him, but I don't believe that he didn't see the stalled development. I myself was ready to give up on the kid after the Tyler Johnson goal. I was an advocate for trading him before the contract. Given that there was pretty legit talk that Hanifin for Ror was an option I think Rf would've had a hard time saying no. Rf loved two way centers for obvious reasons, especially the lead by example type and RoR is basically everything this team was lacking - especially at that time. He's basically the modern Rod. The main reason both regimes did or would've said no was the money. Karmanos wouldn't have done it and obviously neither would TD. RF made all his moves during an obvious rebuild under an owner he had to profusely thank publicly just for signing Williams to a two year deal. It would seem obvious that played a big part in what moves we were involved in. I've never seen a single example of a move someone else made during RF's time that we would've or should've paid the price for and that would've helped our path.

As for your Skinner assertions that we would've held onto Skinner until the TDL and that we would've driven his value into the ground I think.....wait what? How could his value have been worse then? That doesn't even make sense. Even if he only scored 20 he would've gotten a better return at the deadline because his trade clause wouldn't have mattered then. He would've just been a playoff rental, hard to imagine he wouldve voluntarily sat himself through the playoffs watching other teams fight it out waiting for his contract like the greedy little rat he was. He would've gone somewhere else so there would've been actual bidding. Or maybe we still would be in the playoffs and he would've walked for nothing post season - which would've been respectable to me as well.

As for the personal attacks? Frankly, I've been insulted far worse by far better. Your freak outs speak loud enough for both of us.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Boys, boys. You're *both* pretty.

 

[Svechhammer]

Boys, boys. You're *both* pretty.

 

[My Special Purpose]

One Haula for peanuts, please. He’d be fantastic as our 3c.

I want a guy who would make Jordan Staal fantastic as our 3C.

 

[Canes]

I don't see us spending 20+ million on 3 centers, so as long as Staal is here he's most likely going to be the #2 center. I especially don't think it's going to happen as long as Aho remains unsigned which who knows how long will go on. We don't seem very eager to get a deal done with our franchise player so I doubt we're eager to add even more salary commitments, and once we do get Aho signed I'm not sure how much that changes given how much of a raise he's going to get.

 

[TheBigKahuna]

One Haula for peanuts, please. He’d be fantastic as our 3c.

We don't need a 3C. We need a 1B C or a 2C.

 

[RodTheBawd]

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Dundon wanted to be The Guy, the Big Cheese, the Head Honcho, the Big Kahuna, King of the Trash Heap, whatever. He bought this team so it could be his real life NHL 19 GM simulator.

Francis was previously The Guy, when old management didn't recall he was the owner of a hockey club most of the time. Once Dundon bought the team and made it clear he envisioned his role as owner was akin to Mark Cuban (yay!) or Dan Snyder (bleh), Francis' days as PoHO/GM, in anything other than a day-to-day operations/guy who takes to other GM's (ie not being the one to make decisions) were numbered. And he didn't want to accept that. Makes sense. He'll get scooped up when his contract runs out this fall and we're buffeted with a series of salacious articles about how Tom Dundon is ruining stickpuck.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Rangers get Trouba. I hate this division.