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[The Last Red]

Laine’s big issue at even strength has been the play of his center, Kirby Dach. Dach has been atrocious.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Laine’s big issue at even strength has been the play of his center, Kirby Dach. Dach has been atrocious.

Maybe so, but it’s always quite telling when it’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault.

In Winnipeg, it was his center or his coach playing him 2nd line ice time rather than first.

In Columbus it was his center, the PP sucking, and coach playing a defensive system. Then it was the coach was incompetent.

Now in Montreal it’s the center again.

Maybe it’s a Laine problem too

 

[The Last Red]

Maybe so, but it’s always quite telling when it’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault.

In Winnipeg, it was his center or his coach playing him 2nd line ice time rather than first.

In Columbus it was his center, the PP sucking, and coach playing a defensive system. Then it was the coach was incompetent.

Now in Montreal it’s the center again.

Maybe it’s a Laine problem too

I understand . . . but you really need to watch Dach play right now, coming off his full year off last season. He can’t play at NHL pace as a center. It’s painful to watch him.

 

[Monk]

And 3 of those in 1 game to make it 5-1. Seems like normal Laine to me

 

[koteka]

Laine gets a hat trick in a 6-1 game and still finishes -1. That isn’t easy to do.

 

[NotCommitted]

Laine is the first to tell you his 5v5 play isn't where it's supposed to be yet, but having Dach and Laine joined at the hip is a weird coaching move. Two guys coming off knee injuries, neither of which has played any hockey in almost a year... what could go wrong?

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Do the Rangers have a culture problem? An exclusive look at what's bubbling at MSG

A series of events created friction that has now penetrated the Blueshirts' locker room and coincided with the team's worst results in years.

www.lohud.com

 

[Viqsi]

Do the Rangers have a culture problem? An exclusive look at what's bubbling at MSG

A series of events created friction that has now penetrated the Blueshirts' locker room and coincided with the team's worst results in years.

www.lohud.com

Paywalled.

 

[Jovavic]

I'm torn because I love watching a team with a fanbase so full of themselves implode but I took Shesterkin with a high pick in the fantasy draft and he's killing my numbers

 

[koteka]

Well the Rags hired JD. They were smart enough to get rid of him, but maybe his stench is still there.

 

[Viqsi]

Well the Rags hired JD. They were smart enough to get rid of him, but maybe his stench is still there.

...except for the part where their recent downfall is being tied in part to when he and Gorton were forced out.

That article* posits the theory that Dolan has always been this kind of horrorshow owner; it's just that Sather was able to keep him in check. But as Sather withdrew in prep for retirement, we started seeing more and more moves like the Drury coup d'etat, and now that he's fully retired the crazy is on full display.

*: Yes, I got around the paywall; no, I'm not sharing how

 

[majormajor]

Well the Rags hired JD. They were smart enough to get rid of him, but maybe his stench is still there.

Sounds like the exact opposite. JD was fired for refusing to make rash decisions. He refused to fire Gorton to make way for Drury, the one who is responsible for the current mess.

Also I am going to laugh at your way of thinking, about how someone's "stench" from four years ago is going to be responsible for this. When you catch yourself thinking like that, you should wake up and realize you're being ridiculous.

 

[koteka]

...except for the part where their recent downfall is being tied in part to when he and Gorton were forced out.

That article* posits the theory that Dolan has always been this kind of horrorshow owner; it's just that Sather was able to keep him in check. But as Sather withdrew in prep for retirement, we started seeing more and more moves like the Drury coup d'etat, and now that he's fully retired the crazy is on full display.

Dolan is an awful owner. He just focused being awful on the Knicks more than the Rangers. My theory is he turned more to Rangers once they gots some high draft picks thinking they would turn into a good team. Davidson was in New York to draft Kakko and Lafreniere. (He also got Schneider and Cuylle so his track record for two seasons when he had a 1st pick, 2nd pick, 16th pick, 3 second round picks, and 18 picks overall wasn’t truly horrific. He also drafted fan favorite Matt Rempe.)

 

[koteka]

Also I am going to laugh at your way of thinking, about how someone's "stench" from four years ago is going to be responsible for this. When you catch yourself thinking like that, you should wake up and realize you're being ridiculous.

If they hadn’t just traded Kakko for that return literally yesterday, maybe you would have a point. But they did.

 

[majormajor]

If they hadn’t just traded Kakko for that return literally yesterday, maybe you would have a point.

About JD??

 

[koteka]

About JD??

The guy who was in charge when they had this great opportunity to make high draft picks that should be reaching their peaks in a few seasons when guys like Panarin and Kreider were getting to be around 33 and declining? Yes, that JD. Well, Panarin and Kreider are now 33. Who are the stars of this team? The top of the draft picks from the JD era? Nope. One of those guys just got traded for Will Borgen and a third round pick.

 

[majormajor]

The guy who was in charge when they had this great opportunity to make high draft picks that should be reaching their peaks in a few seasons when guys like Panarin and Kreider were getting to be around 33 and declining? Yes, that JD. Well, Panarin and Kreider are now 33. Who are the stars of this team? The top of the draft picks from the JD era? Nope. One of those guys just got traded for Will Borgen and a third round pick.

Maybe you didn't follow those drafts.

Actually I'm sure you know this but I'm going to say it because you're ignoring it. But JD is an old poobah, not a scout. He's not going to overrule scouts, especially on two of the most consensus picks we've had in years (Laf at 1 in 2020 and Kakko at 2 in 2019). There were no debates about those rankings.

 

[koteka]

Maybe you didn't follow those drafts.

Actually I'm sure you know this but I'm going to say it because you're ignoring it. But JD is an old poobah, not a scout. He's not going to overrule scouts, especially on two of the most consensus picks we've had in years (Laf at 1 in 2020 and Kakko at 2 in 2019). There were no debates about those rankings.

If you go with the consensus and the consensus is wrong, then you are wrong. We give Jarmo kudos, rightfully so, for going against the consensus. All I have to say is if they had better drafts in 2019 and 2020 when JD was the man in charge, then they wouldn’t be where they are now. The stench of JD permeates.

PS: our 2019 draft pick when he had 2 picks (we traded back to get a third pick) looks better than their 2019 draft. Yay Jarmo!

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

...except for the part where their recent downfall is being tied in part to when he and Gorton were forced out.

That article* posits the theory that Dolan has always been this kind of horrorshow owner; it's just that Sather was able to keep him in check. But as Sather withdrew in prep for retirement, we started seeing more and more moves like the Drury coup d'etat, and now that he's fully retired the crazy is on full display.

*: Yes, I got around the paywall; no, I'm not sharing how

Dolan is a sh*t owner. Ask Knicks fans. He meddled too much there for years.

 

[VT]

Maybe so, but it’s always quite telling when it’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault.

In Winnipeg, it was his center or his coach playing him 2nd line ice time rather than first.

In Columbus it was his center, the PP sucking, and coach playing a defensive system. Then it was the coach was incompetent.

Now in Montreal it’s the center again.

Maybe it’s a Laine problem too

Dach hasn't played all year, he had hard knee injury, Laine hasn't played all year either, so it must show. I don't expect anything special until the end of January, Dach maybe even more. So I don't know why tackle a center when they both need to get in shape. Although from what I red he played very well today, One had that minus thanks to the "perfect" cooperation of Hutson and Dach and the goalie's mistake.

In Columbus he had excellent chemistry with Jenner and decent chemistry with Roslovic, good stats (injuries and mental issues notwithstanding) playing his best hockey. I don't understand at all where anyone sees problems, is that the new mantra? The only question is whether he could have had more than 1 PPG if he was playing with similar type of centers but of higher quality or would be health.

In Winnipeg, the problem wasn't that he played on the second line, it was that the second line played about as much as the third line.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I'd almost forgot about this guy. Now I remember how much of a POS he is.

 

[majormajor]

I'd almost forgot about this guy. Now I remember how much of a POS he is.

He's going to need another lesson from Olivier.

 

[Jovavic]

I'd be embarrassed if he was on my team, absolute clown