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Doggy said:
I believe the year the Rangers went to the Finals it was Lundqvist who carried that team kicking and screaming almost to a SC win.
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I get that 11.5 is a big cap hit but when that player is the literal difference between you making the playoffs or not (like Bob was for us), you gotta pay or roll with a different goalie and hope for the best.
 
Jovavic said:
I get that 11.5 is a big cap hit but when that player is the literal difference between you making the playoffs or not (like Bob was for us), you gotta pay or roll with a different goalie and hope for the best.
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They are gonna pay him...of that there is no doubt.
 
So Laine has started his first Montreal regular season game. Looked super good on the powerplay, lots of nice passing by Laine and Hutson and others, didn't score but was good. He centered a great pass that Suzuki missed, and gave a super nice backhand saucer pass back to the blue line (super risky but right on tape). He then made a tremendous play on the boards and freed up Guhle on a breakaway but Sorokin came up big. (Edit: That might've been Anderson, my player numbers are pretty small on this stream lol. Anyhow Laine has played well.)

But I think Montreal fans are in for a rude awakening at some point...

SamHabsFan said:
man Laine is one hell of a puck carrier
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:D We know better... (It was the same old, he almost lost the puck at the blue line dangling a guy but regained possession to keep the play going.)

Still, I hope the best for him and Montreal too now I guess. Laine looks full of energy and the skill is still there. Hopefully he stays healthy and gets some things going.

Edit: And after a defensive fumble that caused a NYI player face-to-face with Montembeault, Laine scores on a wrister on the PP. Sorokin didn't know what hit top shelf. It's a storybook start for Laine in the Bell centre like the broadcast guys said, let's see how long it lasts and how long he stays healthy. :crossfing
 
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OK, Sabres leading Avs 4-0 twelve minutes into the first period, Avs switch to new backup goalie Scott Wedgewood, and Avs win in regulation 5-4. I have a buddy who is a Sabres fan. I really really feel for him! That's a bad loss.
 
ThirdPeriodTurtle said:
So Laine has started his first Montreal regular season game. Looked super good on the powerplay, lots of nice passing by Laine and Hutson and others, didn't score but was good. He centered a great pass that Suzuki missed, and gave a super nice backhand saucer pass back to the blue line (super risky but right on tape). He then made a tremendous play on the boards and freed up Guhle on a breakaway but Sorokin came up big. (Edit: That might've been Anderson, my player numbers are pretty small on this stream lol. Anyhow Laine has played well.)

But I think Montreal fans are in for a rude awakening at some point...


:D We know better... (It was the same old, he almost lost the puck at the blue line dangling a guy but regained possession to keep the play going.)

Still, I hope the best for him and Montreal too now I guess. Laine looks full of energy and the skill is still there. Hopefully he stays healthy and gets some things going.

Edit: And after a defensive fumble that caused a NYI player face-to-face with Montembeault, Laine scores on a wrister on the PP. Sorokin didn't know what hit top shelf. It's a storybook start for Laine in the Bell centre like the broadcast guys said, let's see how long it lasts and how long he stays healthy. :crossfing
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I read how hell was in his head after his father died (btw, it was because of him that relationships deteriorated and he ended to play hockey). That explains to me why he wanted to leave Columbus. Some mentally unstable people might actually commit suicide.

Fortunately, this was not his case + has a good psychotherapist.

yle.fi

Patrik Laine syöksyi pimeyteen isänsä kuoltua â nyt hän haluaa puhua elämänsä parhaasta päätöksestä

Patrik Laine sanoo, ettei tiedä, olisiko päässyt asiasta koskaan yli, jos tuorein vamma olisi sattunut puolitoista vuotta sitten.
yle.fi yle.fi

I think it was a reason why Waddell did so bad trade for us. He wanted to help him.
 
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Waddell took that trade because Montreal took on the contract with no retention, that's it. Taking a depressed person and putting him in a top 3 city in fan pressure is not doing him a favor.
 
^^ I thought so too originally, but Laine might be a bit special in that he somehow 'enjoys' that pressure. He's been a special kid his whole life, maybe he gets something out of it that normal people or normal players don't. I still expect some snarky comments and frustrated plays when things don't go his way, but I'm not sure if that's linked to his general mental health. He's just that kind of a player who will show his feelings in certain situations, and outside of that he might be doing well in life otherwise.

I will more or less believe that Laine was ok going to Montreal, or even preferred it, so it worked out for both. I don't think Waddell was doing anybody any (major) favors but I do think he was looking for a deal where everybody just gets a fresh start (and no retention). I thought at the time that his value might go up if he played for the CBJ to start the season, but I'm not sure if we would've seen this player who looked very energetic and engaged last night. So maybe Waddell figured that it's better to just take a small loss and not try to maximize the value at the risk of prolonging the situation and making everybody unhappy. And given how well we have played this season, it seems like the right call now, even if in a vacuum Laine's value could've been higher.

Looks like a win-win so far.
 
Time will tell, interesting to see how it plays out for Laine in Montreal. At this point who knows. But if he had been struggling with depression and side-effects through basically most of his CBJ tenure and is in a better place now I wouldn't be surprised if he really flourishes. I also wouldn't be surprised of the opposite to be honest.

Montreal seems a good spot for him though, he has always seemed to like the spotlight of big games and the reception he's got has been pretty overwhelmingly positive. Of course they can also turn on him really fast but if he's able to play his best hockey for them the crowd there is going to love him and probably be positively surprised. His best seasons in CBJ really fly under the radar it seems and most people don't realize he can be a really good player even without shooting like a superstar (which he honestly never truly did for CBJ apart from glimpses here and there). He's still in his prime years so if he's really enjoying life and hockey again, he could still put it together and become a better hockey player than we've seen so far. If you combine 21-22/22-23 Laine with goalscorer beast of his early Winnipeg years you'd have a legit super star forward.
 
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Should the 4 Nations Tournament have been expanded to include Russia? I personally don't believe the Russian team should be represented at internationally sanctioned tournaments. But hear me out...
  • This is not an internationally sanctioned event.
  • This is strictly an NHL event. There is not a single player from outside the NHL considered for these teams and...
  • If the NHL allows Russian players to play in the NHL shouldn't they be allowed to participate in an NHL event? Seems a little hypocritical to not include them.
  • I know another argument is that many NHL players representing many other countries (Switzerland, Czechia, Slovakia, Belorussian, Germany, etc) are unable to play but that is because it was deemed there was not enough talent in any of those other countries to compete in a best on best. Though I would argue Czechia and Germany could perhaps hold their own or at least be given a chance. But...
  • We all know there is way more than enough elite Russian NHL talent to be a major factor
Russian roster could choose from Vasilevsky, Shesterkin, Sorokin, Kochetkov, Ovechkin, Kucherov, Marchenko, Kaprizov, Panarin, Barbashev, Malkin, Svechnikov, Michkov, Sergachev, Gavrikov, Orlov, Provorov, etc.

Discuss...
 
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Doggy said:
Should the 4 Nations Tournament have been expanded to include Russia? I personally don't believe the Russian team should be represented at internationally sanctioned tournaments. But hear me out...
  • This is not an internationally sanctioned event.
  • This is strictly an NHL event. There is not a single player from outside the NHL considered for these teams and...
  • If the NHL allows Russian players to play in the NHL shouldn't they be allowed to participate in an NHL event? Seems a little hypocritical to not include them.
  • I know another argument is that many NHL players representing many other countries (Switzerland, Czechia, Slovakia, Belorussian, Germany, etc) are unable to play but that is because it was deemed there was not enough talent in any of those other countries to compete in a best on best. Though I would argue Czechia and Germany could perhaps hold their own or at least be given a chance. But...
  • We all know there is way more than enough elite Russian NHL talent to be a major factor
Russian roster could choose from Vasilevsky, Shesterkin, Sorokin, Kochetkov, Ovechkin, Kucherov, Marchenko, Kaprizov, Panarin, Barbashev, Malkin, Svechnikov, Michkov, Sergachev, Gavrikov, Orlov, Provorov, etc.

Discuss...
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I'll wait and see if this tournament holds my attention but adding a 5th team for an odd number of teams makes it hard to hold a tournament and no other country could fill a roster.

Would you propose eliminating a country? Allowing the remaining European countries to combine to create a 6th team?
 
Doggy said:
Should the 4 Nations Tournament have been expanded to include Russia? I personally don't believe the Russian team should be represented at internationally sanctioned tournaments. But hear me out...
  • This is not an internationally sanctioned event.
  • This is strictly an NHL event. There is not a single player from outside the NHL considered for these teams and...
  • If the NHL allows Russian players to play in the NHL shouldn't they be allowed to participate in an NHL event? Seems a little hypocritical to not include them.
  • I know another argument is that many NHL players representing many other countries (Switzerland, Czechia, Slovakia, Belorussian, Germany, etc) are unable to play but that is because it was deemed there was not enough talent in any of those other countries to compete in a best on best. Though I would argue Czechia and Germany could perhaps hold their own or at least be given a chance. But...
  • We all know there is way more than enough elite Russian NHL talent to be a major factor
Russian roster could choose from Vasilevsky, Shesterkin, Sorokin, Kochetkov, Ovechkin, Kucherov, Marchenko, Kaprizov, Panarin, Barbashev, Malkin, Svechnikov, Michkov, Sergachev, Gavrikov, Orlov, Provorov, etc.

Discuss...
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I think adding a team NHL Former USSR (adding Belarus and Latvian players to Russia ) and NHL Team Europe (Germany, Czech, Slovakia, Switzerland) would be kinda fun
 
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Seguin needs hip surgery and it out for the rest of the year, opening up a bunch of cap space for Dallas, could be a potential Provorov landing spot unless they go big game hunting
 
Jovavic said:
Seguin needs hip surgery and it out for the rest of the year, opening up a bunch of cap space for Dallas, could be a potential Provorov landing spot unless they go big game hunting
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A) Not sure how Provy helps missing Seguin.
B) Tij Iginla having hip surgery too and will miss rest of season.

 
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What Russia, Czechia 4 Nations Face-Off rosters would look like

Neither team will make the trek to Montreal or Boston, but what if they did?
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I think the Czech team would be way out of its league. Pasta and Necas are high end NHL players but not enough depth offense and if it is relying on Spacek in its top four and Jiricek in its top six defensive pairings the team is doomed. That said, the Russian team would do some damage.

Team Russia​

Kirill Kaprizov – Evgeni Malkin – Nikita Kucherov
Artemi Panarin – Pavel Buchnevich – Andrei Svechnikov
Alex Ovechkin – Ivan Barbashev – Matvei Michkov
Kirill Marchenko – Dmitri Voronkov – Valeri Nichushkin
Pavel Dorofeyev

Mikhail Sergachev – Vladislav Gavrikov
Ivan Provorov – Nikita Zadorov
Dmitry Orlov – Alexander Romanov
Pavel Mintyukov

Igor Shesterkin
Andrei Vasilevskiy
Ilya Sorokin

Team Czechia​

Ondrej Palat – Pavel Zacha – David Pastrnak
Tomas Hertl – Martin Necas – Jiri Kulich
Jakub Vrana – Radek Faska – David Kampf
Ivan Ivan – Filip Chytil – Jakub Lauko
Tomas Nosek

Jan Rutta – Filip Hronek
David Spacek – Radko Gudas
John Ludvig – David Jiricek
Stanislav Svozil

Lukas Dostal
Karel Vejmelka
Petr Mrazek
 
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Doggy said:
www.dailyfaceoff.com

What Russia, Czechia 4 Nations Face-Off rosters would look like

Neither team will make the trek to Montreal or Boston, but what if they did?
www.dailyfaceoff.com www.dailyfaceoff.com

I think the Czech team would be way out of its league. Pasta and Necas are high end NHL players but not enough depth offense and if it is relying on Spacek in its top four and Jiricek in its top six defensive pairings the team is doomed. That said, the Russian team would do some damage.

Team Russia​

Kirill Kaprizov – Evgeni Malkin – Nikita Kucherov
Artemi Panarin – Pavel Buchnevich – Andrei Svechnikov
Alex Ovechkin – Ivan Barbashev – Matvei Michkov
Kirill Marchenko – Dmitri Voronkov – Valeri Nichushkin
Pavel Dorofeyev

Mikhail Sergachev – Vladislav Gavrikov
Ivan Provorov – Nikita Zadorov
Dmitry Orlov – Alexander Romanov
Pavel Mintyukov

Igor Shesterkin
Andrei Vasilevskiy
Ilya Sorokin

Team Czechia​

Ondrej Palat – Pavel Zacha – David Pastrnak
Tomas Hertl – Martin Necas – Jiri Kulich
Jakub Vrana – Radek Faska – David Kampf
Ivan Ivan – Filip Chytil – Jakub Lauko
Tomas Nosek

Jan Rutta – Filip Hronek
David Spacek – Radko Gudas
John Ludvig – David Jiricek
Stanislav Svozil

Lukas Dostal
Karel Vejmelka
Petr Mrazek
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What? Werenski didn't make either team? :laugh:
 
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Doggy said:

Team Russia​

Kirill Kaprizov – Evgeni Malkin – Nikita Kucherov
Artemi Panarin – Pavel Buchnevich – Andrei Svechnikov
Alex Ovechkin – Ivan Barbashev – Matvei Michkov
Kirill Marchenko – Dmitri Voronkov – Valeri Nichushkin
Pavel Dorofeyev

Mikhail Sergachev – Vladislav Gavrikov
Ivan Provorov – Nikita Zadorov
Dmitry Orlov – Alexander Romanov
Pavel Mintyukov

Igor Shesterkin
Andrei Vasilevskiy
Ilya Sorokin
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Where’s Chinakhov?? Derofeyev? And you even have Nichushkin.

I know it’s not the reason, but, an issue with Russia is probably the total amount of NHL players? How many is it currently? My point is I don’t think many guys could decline for them to have a team.

Should absolutely have Russia and a “European” team in any sort of “tournament” that wants to be taken seriously in any way. Not allowing the Russian WJC team to play is also completely ridiculous, IMO.
 
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