Speculation: Armchair GM Thread

[Top 6 Spaling]

I mean at this point Trotz should fire Brunette and then fire himself. There simply is no excuse to have a Dman you coach wouldn't play to be seeing the ice time and numbers he is and then another guy he wouldn't play score goals in 2 of his first 3 games with another team.

How Trotz hasn't snatched him a new one yet is beyond me.

My pipe dream is ownership "promoting" Trotz from GM to Head Coach and hiring a new GM.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I don't think I'd want Trotz coaching a young developing team.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

I don't think I'd want Trotz coaching a young developing team.

But it's not one. For the next several years, it'll be a mix of older vets and young prospects (or at least should be...)

 

[nine_inch_fang]

But it's not one. For the next several years, it'll be a mix of older vets and young prospects (or at least should be...)

Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm not sure Trotz would do things much differently than the current coach. As far as personnel decisions go anyway.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm not sure Trotz would do things much differently than the current coach. As far as personnel decisions go anyway.

Well, my point is, that it's really not a young developing team. There are a ton of vets. I actually think he'd be a great coach with them. Though, he'd likely need a better defense first...

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Well, my point is, that it's really not a young developing team. There are a ton of vets. I actually think he'd be a great coach with them. Though, he'd likely need a better defense first...

Trotz might be a better coach for the vets (possibly putting them in a better more appropriate system) but there isn't enough talent on the team if you don't utilize the kids.

He's already lost a middle 6 scoring winger and a top pairing RHD from the start of the year so the NHL ready depth is wearing thin.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Yeah, Trotz could rein in some of the crazy antics and play a more disciplined/defensive style. Which I imagine actually would translate into some more wins.

But I don't think it would change anything at all wrt using the kids or developing them for a brighter future.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Yeah, Trotz could rein in some of the crazy antics and play a more disciplined/defensive style. Which I imagine actually would translate into some more wins.

But I don't think it would change anything at all wrt using the kids or developing them for a brighter future.

With trotz as coach, at best, this team once again becomes a "100 point" team. That's not good enough at this stage of the game.

If someone came in and used the kids they may have a fighting chance to get to the playoffs or they might fail miserably but at least you'd have quantifiable evidence of the kids' abilities.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

With trotz as coach, at best, this team once again becomes a "100 point" team. That's not good enough at this stage of the game.

If someone came in and used the kids they may have a fighting chance to get to the playoffs or they might fail miserably but at least you'd have quantifiable evidence of the kids' abilities.

He has coached and had success with young prospects before. I mean, he's coached every player drafted on the Preds after '98 for well over a decade. With the Caps, he coached a young Burakovsky and Kuznetsov. I'd think he'd be fine with a mix of young and old.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

He has coached and had success with young prospects before. I mean, he's coached every player drafted on the Preds after '98 for well over a decade. With the Caps, he coached a young Burakovsky and Kuznetsov. I'd think he'd be fine with a mix of young and old.

This is a hypothetical that isn't going to happen so there isn't much point in discussing it. I will say that my memory of Trotz developing young talent and yours probably don't align.

 

[Softball99]

We look like an overpaid expansion team...entering the mid 00s. Hartnell Timmonen etc... much better chance of success than Bruno. Bruno should be coaching Admirals. Let Karl be Barry's assistant for the year and then let Taylor be interim and choose who gets which team in the 26 offseason. Teaching old dogs new tricks ain't working. Trotz is decimating the future out of Ego and Pride

 

[Kat Predator]

Trotz came into this GM job with basically zero front office experience. Unless you want to count him shadowing David Poile around the building for a few months.

I think our situation is exactly what it looks like. We have a head coach as our GM. He's bending over so far backwards to accommodate his choice for head coach, that his eyeballs are glued to his heels. It really can't be any more obvious that Bruno has no clue what he's doing in terms of a system to fit his players nor even how to evaluate the players he has. And the GM seems to be more than willing to let the HC do whatever he wants, since perhaps he felt as a HC he deserved unlimited latitude in terms of hockey operations.

It just means bad decisions are being doubled and tripled down on as the franchise digs a bigger and bigger hole for its short term future. At this rate, we'll be collecting high draft picks worthy of a total tank tailspin. Forget any infusion of a winning culture. That's only going to happen with a total front office purge by ownership at this rate.

 

[Scoresberg]

On 32 Thoughts:

23. I’m not sure how much radical surgery can be done. Like the Rangers, there are a lot of no-move clauses in Nashville. They’ve also seen Dante Fabbro and Philip Tomasino show renewed energy in Columbus and Pittsburgh, which always has teams re-evaluating what went wrong. Juuso Parssinen playing right now, and if that doesn't change, it will get to a point where he'll want a fresh start, too. It's not selfish, players want to play. But I'd be worried about that if I was Nashville.

24. There is definite interest in Hit King Jeremy Lauzon, currently out with injury. He's signed for one more year at a very reasonable $2 million. But the organization loves him and has zero desire to go down that road.

 

[Predsanddead24]

On 32 Thoughts:

23. I’m not sure how much radical surgery can be done. Like the Rangers, there are a lot of no-move clauses in Nashville. They’ve also seen Dante Fabbro and Philip Tomasino show renewed energy in Columbus and Pittsburgh, which always has teams re-evaluating what went wrong. Juuso Parssinen playing right now, and if that doesn't change, it will get to a point where he'll want a fresh start, too. It's not selfish, players want to play. But I'd be worried about that if I was Nashville.

24. There is definite interest in Hit King Jeremy Lauzon, currently out with injury. He's signed for one more year at a very reasonable $2 million. But the organization loves him and has zero desire to go down that road.

Sadly I don't think our team has reevaluated anything after letting Fabbro and Tomasino go. If I'm Parsinnen I'm definitely trying to get out of here as soon as possible. Also, if we have the opportunity to get a good return for Lauzon and don't then I have even less faith in our front office than I thought.

 

[Kat Predator]

Sadly I don't think our team has reevaluated anything after letting Fabbro and Tomasino go. If I'm Parsinnen I'm definitely trying to get out of here as soon as possible. Also, if we have the opportunity to get a good return for Lauzon and don't then I have even less faith in our front office than I thought.

Some players will have to be thrown overboard to make way for Trotz to raid the Milwaukee roster. I don''t like Parssinen's chances of survival. Nor Evangelista's.

On the bright side, I think they have proven they can both be solid NHL players, so wherever they end up, we can hope the seize the opportunity and have success.

 

[herzausstein]

If someone wants to trade for Lauzon, Trotz better seriously consider that. 2.0M for a season and a half for a guy that can semi competently play 2nd pairing minutes and throw hits around might get a decent return. He is not someone i want to commit to after next season anyways so maximize that trade value

Another one is Nyquist. His production is back down to reality. Maybe with 50% retention we can get a good return for him too.

Sissons, Smith, and McCarron all have 1.5 seasons left and would provide decent depth options to teams. Sissons is the only one that would give a decent return but things to be considered.

 

[Kat Predator]

Nyquist is only $3.1M which should be tradable. We only have 1 remaining retention, which would be good to use if someone wanted one of our 3 big FA additions. The NMCs and Barry's ego might make them untouchable, but I'm not sure any of the 3 of them came here with the expectation we'd be bottoming out for the remainder of their careers.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Nyquist is only $3.1M which should be tradable. We only have 1 remaining retention, which would be good to use if someone wanted one of our 3 big FA additions. The NMCs and Barry's ego might make them untouchable, but I'm not sure any of the 3 of them came here with the expectation we'd be bottoming out for the remainder of their careers.

If I were Trotz I'd definitely be pinging Tampa to see if they have any interest in Stamkos at 50% retained. It would suck to immediately do that but it would suck less than having to buy him out in a season or two or be stuck with an $8M anchor.

 

[Kat Predator]

If I were Trotz I'd definitely be pinging Tampa to see if they have any interest in Stamkos at 50% retained. It would suck to immediately do that but it would suck less than having to buy him out in a season or two or be stuck with an $8M anchor.

No disrespect to a future Hall-of-Famer, but it's clear he's not going to suddenly become a new player and it's just been a square peg and round hole situation for him here. It would be a kindness to pay him 50% to play somewhere they could use him.

 

[herzausstein]

Nyquist is only $3.1M which should be tradable. We only have 1 remaining retention, which would be good to use if someone wanted one of our 3 big FA additions. The NMCs and Barry's ego might make them untouchable, but I'm not sure any of the 3 of them came here with the expectation we'd be bottoming out for the remainder of their careers.

I think our 3 big FAs are an offseason move due to the cap involved unless it is a like for like (skjei for nurse for example). I figure they move in the offseason in which case you would have 2 slots again (1 from Nyquil and 1 from Joey).

 

[Soundgarden]

Please get rid of Lauzon!

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

"Hit King" Lauzon is a net liability on the ice for us. Anything we get for him is a win.

The fact that the organization "loves" guys like him and Carrier is just another sign of how bad our talent evaluation is. We go on about the guys we throw away. We probably need to spend a little more time on the guys we keep and cherish. Because a bunch of them are way overrated by our staff.

 

[weeze]

Ownership is not going to tell BT that he has to start coaching again and lose his GM title. At least not the current ownership. Maybe the new owner probably would. But also BT would not do that with his ego. Take a step down and coach. He thinks he has done what has been needed to be done as does Bruno. I don't see either one thinking they have made any mistakes and think they are the problem. Which is why both have to go and bring in new blood to overhaul this mess!

 

[herzausstein]

"Hit King" Lauzon is a net liability on the ice for us. Anything we get for him is a win.

The fact that the organization "loves" guys like him and Carrier is just another sign of how bad our talent evaluation is. We go on about the guys we throw away. We probably need to spend a little more time on the guys we keep and cherish. Because a bunch of them are way overrated by our staff.

GMs seem to overvalue physicality and hits is one of the easiest ways to quantify it. It's alot harder to quantify how effective that physicality is.

I could actually see him being able to net a decent return. He can play 2nd pairing minutes but his caphit isnt prohibitive if you play him down to 3rd pairing minutes where he could probably excel and he jas another full season after this under contract.

I dont think we get rid of carrier especially now that fabbro is gone and our actual Nhl rhd options are... josi playing offhand, carrier, and schenn. Stastney hasnt played a game yet this year but can play offhand and we dont have any NHL ready RHD prospects.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

If I were Trotz I'd definitely be pinging Tampa to see if they have any interest in Stamkos at 50% retained. It would suck to immediately do that but it would suck less than having to buy him out in a season or two or be stuck with an $8M anchor.

That would immediately become one of the biggest self-owns in NHL history. I do not think Trotz's ego could take that.

GMs seem to overvalue physicality and hits is one of the easiest ways to quantify it. It's alot harder to quantify how effective that physicality is.

I could actually see him being able to net a decent return. He can play 2nd pairing minutes but his caphit isnt prohibitive if you play him down to 3rd pairing minutes where he could probably excel and he jas another full season after this under contract.

I dont think we get rid of carrier especially now that fabbro is gone and our actual Nhl rhd options are... josi playing offhand, carrier, and schenn. Stastney hasnt played a game yet this year but can play offhand and we dont have any NHL ready RHD prospects.

For sure, I would like to think the bidding starts at a good 2nd+B prospect for Lauzon. Haha, suckerzzzz! We might even get a 1st if the bidding war went crazy.

And that's how you pump the tires of guys you want to dump, Mr. Trotz. You don't park them in the pressbox and trade them for 4ths in 2027.

Wait, would it all even out if he actually gets good returns for garbage players like Lauzon and Schenn after giving Tomasino and Fabbro away for nothing?