Adding Hayes would put us at about $21 million down the middle. That’s pretty bloated, is it not?
Speculation: Armchair GM Thread III: Post Deadline, Now with more armchairing
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Volica
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Toronto is at 22.6 million for two centres.
If you bloat, you bloat down the middle and on D.
That’s true but I don’t think Monahan/Backlund/Hayes is really comparable to Tavares/Matthews/Kadri either.
How the hell do we afford Hayes? Neal was our splash and has paid off miserably. I’d rather avoid free agency with the exception of low risk signings unless absolutely necessary. I’ve seen enough from tre to know that any extra big splash will likely kill this team given our luck.
As much as I rag about Brodie, no question I move hamonic before him. His style of game is going to age awfully, and he’s not a top pairing dman under any circumstance even today. I also feel if necessary we buy out stone, though he could be useful as a #7 dman. Kylington is also probably our trade chip, as I’m sure the organization wants vali playing next year. Anyway, I wouldn’t mind these pairings next year:
Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Fantenberg
Stone
As much as I rag about Brodie, no question I move hamonic before him. His style of game is going to age awfully, and he’s not a top pairing dman under any circumstance even today. I also feel if necessary we buy out stone, though he could be useful as a #7 dman. Kylington is also probably our trade chip, as I’m sure the organization wants vali playing next year. Anyway, I wouldn’t mind these pairings next year:
Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Fantenberg
Stone
You also have to keep in mind that Brodie will likely be getting around $6 million on his next contract. I don’t think Treliving is really looking past the next 3 years, right now. There’s no doubt in my mind that Hamonic supplies far more of an impact over that time period. I also don’t think there’s any chance Fantenberg plays over Stone, especially off handed.
I can see your point for sure about hamonic, but I have a really awful feeling about signing him long term. We will find out in a year or two who brad chooses.
You can also swap Fantenberg for stone, doesn’t really mater.
I know what you’re saying about Hamonic too. I have concerns that he’ll more or less be Regehr by the time the next contract is done but there’s really no one else that plays even remotely close to that style.
Ace Rimmer
Stoke me a clipper.
I'd love to pick up a Hayes or a Panarin in the summer, but realistically the Flames are out of any big name acquisitions in free agency. Look at what Stone got - $9.5 million - and factor down accordingly.
I think the Flames are OK down the middle. Not elite, but to get elite you're trading Monahan, not adding with him on the roster. Monahan - Backlund - Jankowski isn't sexy but it'll get the job done. So you upgrade on the wings instead.
Point could be a possible trade target. Tampa will need defense after this season as most of their corps are UFA in 2019. Brodie, Dube & stuff (Frolik?) for Point - is that any kind of realistic?
I think the Flames are OK down the middle. Not elite, but to get elite you're trading Monahan, not adding with him on the roster. Monahan - Backlund - Jankowski isn't sexy but it'll get the job done. So you upgrade on the wings instead.
Point could be a possible trade target. Tampa will need defense after this season as most of their corps are UFA in 2019. Brodie, Dube & stuff (Frolik?) for Point - is that any kind of realistic?
We will see if Monahan-Backlund-Jankowski can get the job done in the playoffs, where it matters.
If we don’t go deep into the playoffs and our centres don’t help, than I think we will see upgrades and if that happens, I think we might sell high on Monahan.
These playoffs will decide, what the core look like.
No, not even close. It would be Monahan or Lindholm ++, and that’s only if they couldn’t afford to sign him.
Volica
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Meh. Matthews and Tavares are essentially rich man's versions of Sean Monahan
neither guy in my book is worth +11 million dollars.The only dude on Toronto worth that money is Mitch Marner, and that dude gon' get paaaaid.
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Call me crazy, only two guys on Tampa get moved before Point and they are Hedman and Kucherov. Tampa will not move him.
It's hard to crystal ball how things will go when so much is dependent on playoffs. Rittich falters? We need a new #1. We can't score? Need another top 6. Etc.
On Hamonic vs Brodie, I'd keep Hamonic. Brodie is what he is, and plays well with Gio, but I'd rather use him as a trade chip while is value is high IF his new contract ask is too high. Otherwise I'd keep him for expansion bait unless our need for scoring is really high. Hamonic brings a skillset that none of our other defenseman do, and I think he'll be cheaper to re-sign. Brodie will be easier to replace skills wise by our young defensemen.
JT Miller was mentioned, and that's a guy that concerns me. His numbers on a Tampa team that scores like crazy this year worries me.
It's hard to crystal ball how things will go when so much is dependent on playoffs. Rittich falters? We need a new #1. We can't score? Need another top 6. Etc.
On Hamonic vs Brodie, I'd keep Hamonic. Brodie is what he is, and plays well with Gio, but I'd rather use him as a trade chip while is value is high IF his new contract ask is too high. Otherwise I'd keep him for expansion bait unless our need for scoring is really high. Hamonic brings a skillset that none of our other defenseman do, and I think he'll be cheaper to re-sign. Brodie will be easier to replace skills wise by our young defensemen.
JT Miller was mentioned, and that's a guy that concerns me. His numbers on a Tampa team that scores like crazy this year worries me.
InfinityIggy
Zagidulin's Dad
We made our bed signing Neal honestly. We cannot afford a big fish in FA.
Given that we just signed Neal (a big name FA) and the discontent with how that has worked out, I must say I find it ironic that people are so quick to want to dump Neal so we can sign (a big name FA) this coming summer.
Like um???
Like um???
InfinityIggy
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Bounces R Way
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Wouldn't futz with the roster too much. Still like Hayes a lot but I don't know what kind of contract he'll be after. If they can find a way to move on from both Frolik and Stone(probably difficult but not impossible) then maybe they go after a forward but I think the drafted talent might be able to step into bigger roles next year anyways(Mangiapane, Dube, Bennett).
Neal really hasn't been all that good but at least he's not dragging guys down with him like Brouwer did. Still think he's been kind of under utilized this year. I don't know why exactly they're so reticent to play him with Gaudreau but as things tighten up leading up to the playoffs there's going to be less and less rush opportunities and more emphasis on cycling offense, which I think he's actually pretty decent at.
Neal really hasn't been all that good but at least he's not dragging guys down with him like Brouwer did. Still think he's been kind of under utilized this year. I don't know why exactly they're so reticent to play him with Gaudreau but as things tighten up leading up to the playoffs there's going to be less and less rush opportunities and more emphasis on cycling offense, which I think he's actually pretty decent at.
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Bolded is a big part of it. I would be decent money that this is probably going to be an outlier career year. While he's a solid 50 point option, I don't know if he's gonna get paid like that.
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Yeah I'd probably be comfortable with something like Backlund got with a little less term, but that's really not that much of a raise on his current deal. Wouldn't make sense to go big game hunting before they have their goaltending situation sorted anyways. Could definitely see them going back to the bargain bin and get Talbot or Nilsson on a short term cheap deal or maybe even Lehner or Mrazek if they shake loose. Kind of silly it's gone on this long but what can you do.
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Agreed. Probably need to sort out Bennett and Tkachuk too, or at least have a strong ballpark feeling.
KodakGinger
PJ
I don’t see the reason why people want to trade Kylington, I think he’s gonna be a great top 4 D guy. We don’t need to have stone or Fanta playing bottom pairing with him.
What about valimaki?
Honestly, if anybody is willing to take on Neal’s contract for kylington and a small add, I do it during the summer. Could be valuable in keeping our defense together and allowing us to re-sign both Brodie and hamonic.
OvermanKingGainer
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Fanbase just doesn't want 70 point defensemen. Give them 25 pt defensemen who hit and don't get noticed all day long though.
If kylington ever become a 70 pt dman anywhere in this league, I’ll post pics of myself running naked through downtown alright? Or I’ll openly ask for my account to be IP banned for my blindness. I get you love him okg, but come on.
Seriously, I’ll become extatic sexually.
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Clearly...
I guess we're moving Gio due to fan demand this summer eh?
Hyperbole is hyperbole (not that I want to move Kylington)
Edit: I'd even add that I want Kylington in over Fanta right now.
Here's the thing, Treliving was clearly okay with adding Zucker's 5.5M cap hit for the next four years with only Frolik going out. So while us fans believe Frolik would need to be moved just to re-sign everyone else, Treliving seems to have other plans. Either he thinks Tkachuk will be cheaper than everyone thinks or he already has plans to offload other salary. And based off of that, it's doesn't otherworldly to suggest that for better or worse, the Flames will be active in the trade or free agent market.
And for the record, I still like Neal signing despite him being a disappoint offensively. I really like what he brings to room, as much as something like that can be surmised by someone on the sidelines.
And for the record, I still like Neal signing despite him being a disappoint offensively. I really like what he brings to room, as much as something like that can be surmised by someone on the sidelines.
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